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Post by damagedinc on Feb 23, 2023 7:25:28 GMT
Rumours are that Aston Martin might have done a brawn if the wind tunnel results anything to go by.
To be taken with a pinch of salt but not a good start in testing! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2023 8:37:09 GMT
Rumours are that Aston Martin might have done a brawn if the wing tunnel results anything to go by. To be taken with a pinch of salt but not a good start in testing! Lol What does that mean?
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 23, 2023 12:54:47 GMT
Found something significant and generating better numbers than everyone else.
Heard same thing but I'll believe it when I see it.
Would be fun to have Alonso at the front again. Especially if he's told to defer to Lance for the win!
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Post by A46Matt on Feb 23, 2023 13:59:31 GMT
Not sure who the commentary team are on the feed being shown on Sky but man are they boring. Never thought I’d be missing Croft as annoying as he is.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 23, 2023 17:25:22 GMT
157 laps for Red Bull. That's ominous far more than any laptimes on the board today. It was always Merc's tell in testing that they were going to bash everyone up when they were so comfortable they were blitzing through their program at a rate of knots.
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Post by askew on Feb 23, 2023 18:21:25 GMT
So, have they not had a Barcelona/Catalunya test session this year? IIRC Merc had a car with sidepods at that point, then at Bahrain had sacked them off…
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 23, 2023 18:44:20 GMT
So, have they not had a Barcelona/Catalunya test session this year? IIRC Merc had a car with sidepods at that point, then at Bahrain had sacked them off… No other testing apart from this week. So no Spain
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 23, 2023 18:46:40 GMT
157 laps for Red Bull. That's ominous far more than any laptimes on the board today. It was always Merc's tell in testing that they were going to bash everyone up when they were so comfortable they were blitzing through their program at a rate of knots. Agreed! 152 by merc also a very good showing. Williams not far behind either. Worry for mclaren as they didn't do anywhere near that
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2023 8:08:02 GMT
Williams's Duracell sponsorship is very nicely done.
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Post by grizzly on Feb 24, 2023 8:29:52 GMT
So, have they not had a Barcelona/Catalunya test session this year? IIRC Merc had a car with sidepods at that point, then at Bahrain had sacked them off… The barcelona test session got removed on account of the F1 season already being absurdly long
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2023 9:14:47 GMT
My main hope is that no team has a large drag advantage again.
Red Bull were unusually dominant in that area and it was the biggest thing that hurt the racing at the front. Especially after Ferrari had to turn their engines down.
However down the grid there were other large disparities as well. Some cars got totally stuck with no possibility of passing, others could just wait for DRS and then drive by at will. It wasn't really the test of skill and racecraft that it should be.
F1 track and DRS zone configurations had been refined to produce overtaking opportunities on the assumption that the cars all broadly accelerated at a similar rate once in top gear (i.e. when drag limited) so it was about getting them closer to each other with a tow as they entered that final gear.
Spa was the most broken, the DRS zones totally ruined the racing but there were plenty more problematic implementations throughout the year.
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Post by TheSaint on Feb 24, 2023 9:45:34 GMT
So season 5 of everyone's favourite F1 documentary series is up on Netflix. I've only watched the first episode but I would definitely watch a full reality series of Gunther and Mattia driving around the vineyards of Italy in a classic Fiat 500.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2023 12:15:45 GMT
I haven't watched it since series 2. Just found the intentionally misleading editing and faked rivalries impossible to look past.
Is series 5 any more authentic?
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 24, 2023 12:20:55 GMT
Yeah I have avoided it. Some interesting behind the scenes stuff there but they jumped the shark with norris and sainz "rivalry"
I'm not the target audience. I find the fake engine noises and sound effects nauseous inducing.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2023 16:08:42 GMT
I wouldn't actually mind a little exaggerated dramatic flair (not that I think F1 needs it). I could perhaps overlook the faked noises, and maybe even the incredibly banal and patronising 'insights' from Will Buxton.
What tipped me over the edge into anger was when I realised they were mixing in team radio and footage from different sessions and splicing it together to change the narrative of races. What's the point if you're going to do that? You're not covering what happened anymore, it's just fan fiction. Real shame as they have such great access, I don't know why they can't just let the sport speak for itself.
It would be like making a football documentary where you decide a league game wasn't exciting enough so you splice in extra penalty misses, great saves and red cards from other matches on the basis that that's fine because you didn't change the final score.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2023 16:24:25 GMT
They completely fabricated some sort of massive rift between Norris and Riccardo and made Lando look like a right knobhead in the process.
Maybe Max fucking it off last year made them re-assess how drivers are portrayed though.
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Post by monkman5000 on Feb 24, 2023 18:27:19 GMT
I haven't watched more than about 5 minutes of it, but that all sounds fucking appalling. What's the point?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 18:38:28 GMT
I haven't watched more than about 5 minutes of it, but that all sounds fucking appalling. What's the point? It is very slick and very exciting. I know a few female friends who have started watching F1 off the back of it. Despite all us f1 fans complaining about it it is actually a great success.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 24, 2023 19:02:37 GMT
Yeah its a gateway drug not for us old miserable gits already into it.
Apprently they have toned down the sensationalism/storytelling after criticism from last year. However still have put radio calls from different races over other incidents/races etc
In 2017 I started going to races every year and it's increasingly more difficult due to demand. To the point I couldn't get tickets to any race this season. That's all because of drive to survive I reckon. I'm even having conversations with colleagues at work about races. Something that never happened before.
Now I know how they feel when I talk about football haha
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2023 19:23:31 GMT
Definitely does the intended job. The Mrs has actually half got into it off the back of watching last year's series.
I think it's absolutely dreadful bollocks though. It isn't as if F1 hasn't had enough real life drama in recent years that they wouldn't have to stitch events together to create a work of fiction.
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Post by grizzly on Feb 24, 2023 19:32:22 GMT
Season 1 was pretty good, but...
This, basically.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 24, 2023 20:57:00 GMT
I know this puts me in grumpy old git territory but I think F1 was better when it was reasonably niche.
There's no real tangible benefit to me as a motorsport fan if the sport grows. Just thinking about this the best I can come up with is that now all sessions are televised live. Although even that is countered by the fact races were free on Grandstand.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 24, 2023 22:12:51 GMT
It's definitely a sport I felt was better when the curtain wasn't pulled back as much. Testing getting full coverage is the perfect example. Seeing the cars out on track for the first race has lost some of it's luster, as has the air of mystery of just what teams were going to bring to the table.
Team radios are another one, that year they broadcast the Team>FIA transmissions just left me feeling they were all kinda pathetic. I'm sure I'd feel the same if they mic'd up football managers on the touchlines. Some things are just better left alone.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 25, 2023 9:44:36 GMT
Good example of Drive to Survive's intentional shit stirring.
During his Silverstone notebook show Ted Kravitz spotted a DTS crew and good-naturedly interacted with them. In classic Ted fashion, he used humour to raise a valid sporting point and was also mildly teasing the DTS team. I remember it from the time, it was funny.
DTS then edited that moment to make it look like he was heckling the Ferrari team celebrations (episode 3 about 3mins from the end). Cue him getting shit on social media from Ferrari fans about being disrespectful. I'm sure Ferrari themselves get it and don't care.
There's just no journalistic integrity from the DTS guys.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 25, 2023 10:25:41 GMT
Hang on, I'd missed all this...you mean in DTS it's not just slickly edited, they make shit up by using old footage/recordings?!
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 25, 2023 11:18:03 GMT
They change the context and chronology of some footage and team radio. Another example a few seasons back was where they cut 'exciting' practice session footage (e.g. Leclerc happened to be right behind Verstappen through a chicane on an out lap) into their race battle highlights to make it look like Leclerc had closed up more than he had. If you didn't follow the sport closely you likely wouldn't notice, but obviously if you do, it's very annoying. The team radio thing is even worse and I think that's what especially pissed the drivers off. A good example: youtu.be/GtWWlMSLLDkThere was chat last year that F1 bosses had asked them to not do this anymore. I don't know if it's made any difference as I've stopped watching.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 25, 2023 12:47:18 GMT
Not a fan of this shift to using as little paint as possible to save weight. Seeing a Ferrari trying to fit as much bare carbon as they can on their livery just feels wrong. Every car having massive patches of black everywhere is ruining the aesthetic.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 25, 2023 14:06:36 GMT
Especially when it's entirely possible to colour the carbon
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Post by A46Matt on Feb 27, 2023 13:01:07 GMT
Great news that Barcelona is reverting to the original final sector and binning off the chicane.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 27, 2023 13:18:39 GMT
That's fantastic, the track was totally ruined by that chicane.
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