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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 6, 2023 17:52:57 GMT
I don't think the teams can veto can they? They can make life awkward and ensure they are paid off but I didn't think they could unilaterally stop it if the FIA and Liberty are aligned.
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Post by damagedinc on Jan 10, 2023 15:16:33 GMT
I think you're right the teams can't veto it but would be part of the process. The reality of a new team joining is quite boring having just listened to Joe saward on missed apex.
200 million expected upfront
To be fair this is as a "downpayment" for jumping to a point the other teams have. Having not put all the research and time/money the other teams are.
UK base
An American team operating in America would be horrendous in terms of logistics. Hence why most teams are in the UK. Would they be prepared to do that?
Track sizes
Most tracks don't have the space for freight or extra pit room. Who pays for that? And at some tracks (zanderfort) is it even possible.
Net zero
More teams / more cargo more planes more people bla bla bla
The concensus is it won't happen. FIA making the "right" noises to appear to be giving the fans a chance for what they want but it's a nightmare in reality.
Unless a team gets bought out by a manufacture or someone like Honda goes solo I can't see it happening.
Happy to be proved wrong
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 10, 2023 23:12:01 GMT
As with everything F1 it'll come down to money. There's always a price at which it'll get done.
I suspect they'll make it work for the manufacturer teams in the way that they wouldn't for 'just' Andretti.
I do think the cost cap and greatly increased interest in NA has massively changed the landscape vs 5 years ago. Now you can envisage a manufacturer getting a return on a 0.5bn investment (which is what it would be) in terms of exposure and the asset of holding a grid spot itself.
Realistically there is a finite limit on teams of 12 or maybe at a push 13 so this could be the final round of new entries ever and once you're in, you're set. I'm sure this is why they are setting the bar so high.
I don't believe the 10 team pitlane garage space limit is genuinely an unsolvable issue anywhere except Monaco, but that 'race' needs to die anyway.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 11, 2023 9:02:19 GMT
Ah, missed your quotation marks!
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 12, 2023 13:51:45 GMT
I think the main issue is that $200m entry fee is no longer seen as fit for purpose. It was intended to be a compensatory fund to for existing teams for their reduced revenue and it was also intended as a deterrent to stop someone entering a team then selling on for a quick profit.
The value of the teams has increased dramatically (even if prize money hasn't) so $10m each hardly seems adequate compensation for the diluted value of their asset. Secondly, it would be very feasible to buy in at $200m and still make big returns within a few years (especially if the 'true' logistical limit of teams was hit.
Which brings me back to: so how much is enough? What's the fair market value for an F1 entry and fair compensation for reducing the slice of pie received by the existing teams? By extension what is 25% more than that? Can a new team 'prove' it's entry will increase the size of the pie such that this may offset some of the costs? Surely this is the exercise that needs to be led by the FIA. Really we are all just waiting for the various stakeholders to name their actual price. A billion might do it.
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Post by Dougs on Jan 13, 2023 19:34:20 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 13, 2023 22:07:59 GMT
Hope she makes a full and swift recovery.
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Post by X201 on Jan 24, 2023 17:59:09 GMT
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Post by damagedinc on Jan 24, 2023 19:49:31 GMT
Messy on many levels
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 26, 2023 12:09:07 GMT
Andretti only team to actually submit an application under the FIAs new process for new teams (so far).
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 29, 2023 19:50:01 GMT
Sky have binned off Herbert and Di Resta. Have to say I respect both as sportsmen but won't miss either as pundits.
To be fair to him Di Resta was surprisingly good in the Brundle role when covering.
Wonder who they've recruited? Riccardo seems plausible for the odd round as he'll surely be on site anyway as a reserve. Vettel would be great but I don't think media work interests him.
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Post by A46Matt on Jan 29, 2023 21:48:26 GMT
Have always quite liked Herbert, not sure why. No more hearing Di Resta saying mershadies anymore.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 29, 2023 23:25:41 GMT
Herbert seems like a great bloke. He had the potential to be one of the best drivers of his generation, and the fact he had an F1 career at all (after smashing his legs up so badly he never recovered full mobility and still can't walk without pain) is testament to that. Tragic in some respects but inspiring in others. He effectively had a disability but hid it. Well worth reading his autobiography. He did what Kubica did but 20 years earlier when the cars were more physical.
Before he started with Sky I really thought he'd be great as a pundit. He was a superb interviewee as a driver, often witty and direct.
Unfortunately he just wasn't a great broadcaster. Didn't offer much insight and didn't articulate his points well. Wish him all the best though. I'm sure he doesn't need the work.
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Post by monkman5000 on Jan 30, 2023 8:21:11 GMT
Have always quite liked Herbert, not sure why. No more hearing Di Resta saying mershadies anymore. Now you've got Webber saying Merseedies instead.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jan 30, 2023 15:42:50 GMT
I always enjoyed Coulthard trying to say mirrors. Murrrs.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2023 12:51:26 GMT
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 14, 2023 0:07:49 GMT
Have to say I'm really not missing F1 like I usually do in the off season. Have barely paid attention to the car launches and just realised I don't even know the dates of testing and the first race. They're usually circled in my calendar.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 17, 2023 14:21:31 GMT
It is amazing how little the driver clichés around F1 car launches changes. Drivers in 2023 say the exact same thing I remember Mansell saying before every season.
'if it goes as fast as it looks...'
'I'm in the best shape I've ever been in...'
Honestly there is no point in the media speaking to them until they've driven the car.
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Post by Wizzard_Ook on Feb 17, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
Have to say I'm really not missing F1 like I usually do in the off season. Have barely paid attention to the car launches and just realised I don't even know the dates of testing and the first race. They're usually circled in my calendar. I’m pretty excited. Watched full race replays/highlights of the 97 and 98 seasons over the last couple of months. As long as red bull don’t steam roll everyone I’m ok.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 18, 2023 9:15:05 GMT
I'm sure I'll still get right into it once it actually starts. I was thinking about it more and I do wonder if it's because of over saturation.
One of the main things that has fundamentally changed is there were almost 30 races last year including the sprints. Nearly double what I grew up with. It feels like it only stopped recently.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder and I think I need more absence!
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Post by arnvidr on Feb 19, 2023 15:24:12 GMT
I've completely ignored the car launches as well, I'll see what the cars look like soon enough, I just have no interest in whatever happens until actual testing starts, and might not watch anything until the first race.
29 races this year then? If I'll get overwhelmed it'll impact the likelihood of watching F2 if anything. I think there was one good sprint last year though? 33% success, so better than the year before. Need to be pretty damn impressive this year to be an improvement.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Feb 19, 2023 20:34:23 GMT
It's a huge time investment these days. Races take up a significant portion of a weekend, especially if you're watching all the pageantry before and after. When you're doing that sometimes 3 weekends in a row it doesn't leave room for a lot else. Even testing is starting to pop up as a televised event now. It's a little too much.
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Post by Gruf on Feb 19, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
A bit like the football I don't watch any of the yammering before or after.
Grid walk, race, done.
I will watch Peter Windsor and a few other YT channels during the week for the finer details.
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Post by grizzly on Feb 20, 2023 1:35:54 GMT
I've been listening to the shift f1 podcast, which has been pretty stellar. You may recognize some of the hosts.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 20, 2023 22:18:46 GMT
A bit like the football I don't watch any of the yammering before or after. Grid walk, race, done. I will watch Peter Windsor and a few other YT channels during the week for the finer details. I find it really amusing how Peter Windsor titles all of his YouTube videos 'x by Peter Windsor'. He's had a hell of an F1 career and was there for so many seminal moments but he's a bit of an oddball.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 20, 2023 22:45:58 GMT
My routine is to try and stick Friday practice on in the background while 'working'.
Then Saturday I'll try and catch the F2 live if I can as often it's the highlight of the weekend. F3 usually gets sacrificed (recorded and watched during the week).
F1 qualifying is also fairly expendable these days. If I've got nothing better to do will watch it but quite often I have as it's not often that good a watch.
Sunday I'll try and watch the F2 live again but typically switch over to the F1 on the parade lap. I'm just not fussed about preshow and the grid walk.
I do enjoy a good bit of post race analysis though. Will try and watch as many of the interviews and Sky Pad type stuff as I can and then often watch Ted's notebook on YouTube last thing at night.
The F1 channel is the only part of my Sky subscription that I feel like I get genuine value out of.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 21, 2023 8:28:23 GMT
Yeah I won't miss a weekend. Practice on phone while "working" won't miss qualifying or the race unless a family commitment.
If that's the case it's a full media lock down and a watch in the evening.
Listen to couple of podcasts post race, missed apex and chequered flag.
If I can will watch F2 aswell on record or live.
As above get my money worth with sky on that one. Although with apps like "multiviewer" looking as good as they do might start going down the VPN F1TV route to do that.
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Post by muddyfunster on Feb 21, 2023 21:58:57 GMT
That multiviewer thing looks awesome. If it means I don't have to suffer the director cutting to crowd reaction shots halfway through a battle (or ever) I'm in.
Only hesitancy I have is what it would look like on a 55" TV. UHD HDR F1 is now something I'm used to.
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Post by damagedinc on Feb 21, 2023 22:37:22 GMT
Sky is easy. Having to hook up the laptop etc everytime would get annoying. Not sure how reliable pausing etc would be via f1tv
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Post by azurelas on Feb 23, 2023 7:19:54 GMT
Have we done "Mike Krack is the Alfa Romeo team principle" joke yet? Because I don't think that name will ever not be funny.
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