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Post by rajin on Mar 31, 2024 23:14:29 GMT
It is a bit funny that people pre-emptively defend the character like its the pinnacle of design. I mean I think she looks a bit bland (kpop idol with large boobs) and definitely have no interest in reading someone decrying its existence in any review. We will see if reviewers feel the need to spend half of their review on one simple aspect. If they are truely concerned with most of the (disturbing) sexualization of characters, maybe they should mention what most fan art looks like. Similarly Twitch been a awfull place that cant seem to escape becoming a extension of onlyfans.
The game itself, combat looks and feels better then I expected. Enemy design stood out to me as being mediocre bordering on bad. Definitely not a day one purchase for me based on the demo.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 31, 2024 23:22:05 GMT
I mean it's nothing we haven't seen in a game like DoA really. It's just really odd that this is the champion for the bullshit culture war. I honestly don't understand it. It seems like a really expensive thing to have a wank over.
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Post by rajin on Mar 31, 2024 23:51:44 GMT
I guess its cheaper then one of those 400 euro figurines.
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Post by Danno on Apr 1, 2024 0:13:10 GMT
Those don't jiggle
(Do they?)
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Post by rajin on Apr 1, 2024 12:00:51 GMT
I googled whether they exist, apperrently not. You would think with all that money and horny driven motivation, that they should exist at this point.
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 1, 2024 12:45:07 GMT
The other aspect as to why people are so defensive about it, which often isn't raised, is that it's a console exclusive and any game like that will have haters and defenders no matter what. Console fanboy wars are, I'd argue, worse than ever thanks to social media where it's partly driven by engagement numbers. I've seen a few streamers playing it say the combat seems too slow, there's input delay etc and the response from some has been so embarrassing, rght down to 'You just don't like sexy women'.
Think the defense for it is so strong because they're trying to raise a point to Sony and anyone else that is the kind of design that devs should be going for. You often see the same bad freeze frame images of Aloy from Horizon, Mary Jane from Spiderman etc as 'ugly' female characters that are 'ruining' gaming so the first high profile game that comes along which isn't that is gonna be put on a pedestal. I did have to laugh because one of the defense claims is that Eve's physique is based on a real model, which is true they did bring one in for measurements and mo cap. But they claim it's an exact replica and that's where you laugh because side by side comparisons show they definitely exaggerated the tits and arse more so than the model. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 1, 2024 13:16:55 GMT
Isn't she a Korean model, who I don't think are known for their comedy breasts and arse.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Apr 1, 2024 13:30:13 GMT
The idea that female protagonists aren't attractive is just dumb, I can't think of a single game with an actual ugly female player character.
It's just weird incels whose idea of attractiveness is entirely shaped by identical looking, boil-in-the-the bag anime waifus. If that's their thing whatever but it's quite divorced from any semblance of reality.
I don't really care too much if the game has some sexual objectification, it usually just gets an eye roll from me - I like Bayonetta FFS - but it's annoying how big a thing Eve's design has become.
Of course I'm contributing to that discourse right now, but the first thing I knew about this game was some weird posts declaring this a victory for the ANTI-WOKES.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 1, 2024 13:30:51 GMT
Also what I don't really understand is that Bayonetta exists! One of the most popular games last year, BG3 had tons of naked, horny shit! What makes this blow up doll the beacon of incel gaming???
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Post by JuniorFE on Apr 1, 2024 14:06:56 GMT
Also what I don't really understand is that Bayonetta exists! One of the most popular games last year, BG3 had tons of naked, horny shit! What makes this blow up doll the beacon of incel gaming??? BG3 was too "woke" dontcha know /s (Also the latest Bayo game was like a year and a half ago, the type of idiot that would make Eve their incel gaming symbol has a long term memory that'd make goldfish laugh) |
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 14:16:30 GMT
I'm pretty certain the devs scanned a real woman's face and made the rest of the character themselves, as they wanted to have "the most beautiful body for the user." That's why Eve only resembles the real-world model from the neck up.
I don't know whether Shift Up are aware of the type of Western gamer they're attracting with this approach, but they haven't helped themselves by putting Eve's physique front and centre in interviews.
Methinks Tuffers is right: this game has come along at just the right time for the incels, who have been bitching about the alleged uglification of female characters for ages (e.g. Aloy in Horizon Forbidden West, MJ in Spider-Man 2, the new Lara Croft design). These douchebags don't care about input lag, parry windows, i-frames, and whatnot - they just want to OWN THE LIBS and have done with it, so they'll plonk down their 70 bucks no matter what the end product is like.
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Post by JonFE on Apr 1, 2024 14:28:09 GMT
Also what I don't really understand is that Bayonetta exists! One of the most popular games last year, BG3 had tons of naked, horny shit! What makes this blow up doll the beacon of incel gaming??? BG3 was too "woke" dontcha know /s (Also the latest Bayo game was like a year and a half ago, the type of idiot that would make Eve their incel gaming symbol has a long term memory that'd make goldfish laugh) BG3 also allows (AFAIK) for same-sex relationships which really triggers them.
What I would really love is Stellar Blade to portray Eve in a FF relationship (ie through a flashback) and see them explode   |
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Post by Decks on Apr 1, 2024 14:29:05 GMT
I've had another few goes and I don't think it's for me. The combat is decent but not good enough to pull me through all the other shit. It's just so fucking grubby. Like the gaming equivalent of a Japanese business man buying pre-moistened panties from a vending machine.
I've had a massive urge for a decent combat focused game recently but luckily Rise of Ronin has more than scratched that itch.
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 14:34:45 GMT
BG3 also allows (AFAIK) for same-sex relationships which really triggers them.
What I would really love is Stellar Blade to portray Eve in a FF relationship (ie through a flashback) and see them explode
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 14:36:47 GMT
I'm pretty certain the devs scanned a real woman's face and made the rest of the character themselves, as they wanted to have "the most beautiful body for the user." That's why Eve only resembles the real-world model from the neck up. They’ve specifically said it’s the opposite, for what it’s worth. |
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 14:39:09 GMT
I'm pretty certain the devs scanned a real woman's face and made the rest of the character themselves, as they wanted to have "the most beautiful body for the user." That's why Eve only resembles the real-world model from the neck up. They’ve specifically said it’s the opposite, for what it’s worth.
Doh! My mistake - I'd totally misremembered what they'd said on this front.
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 14:40:18 GMT
Speaking of the asking price, I do think Sony are setting Stellar Blade up to fail by asking for 70 £/$/€. Yes, the culture war idiots will pay it regardless, and convince themselves they've made a point in the process; however, people who care more about gameplay than fanservice might just balk at forking over that kind of money in this instance. Sony just about gets away with the 70 [insert currency unit here] approach for massive first-party games like Ragnarok and Horizon, but Stellar Blade is a different can of tuna - a third-party game from a Korean mobile developer, making its first foray into the console world, with a 25-hour runtime. I'm not sure that'll fly. |
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 1, 2024 14:41:28 GMT
The same thing with Rise of the Ronin because of it's 'PS3 graphics'. People have an expectation with first party Sony games now and if it's not AAAA budget and graphics then they'll shit on it. Even though back in the day you had stuff like Ico, Vib Ribbon etc, a balance of smaller budget games with the big ones.
I think it's just bad for any high profile game nowadays, people getting super weird about them, finding any flaw and blowing it up to ridiculous degrees in order to drive engagement. There's even high profile accounts now posting things like 'Like at Eve's hair physics!' and it just them spinning in a circle while wearing the skin suit. Launch time and reaction to reviews are gonna be insufferable. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 14:42:29 GMT
They’ve specifically said it’s the opposite, for what it’s worth.
Doh! My mistake - I'd totally misremembered what they'd said on this front.
I just read it this weekend. Looked up some previews and of course, that’s one of the first article to pop up in the search engines. |
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Post by JonFE on Apr 1, 2024 14:44:20 GMT
BG3 also allows (AFAIK) for same-sex relationships which really triggers them.
What I would really love is Stellar Blade to portray Eve in a FF relationship (ie through a flashback) and see them explode
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2024 14:44:45 GMT
Speaking of the asking price, I do think Sony are setting Stellar Blade up to fail by asking for 70 £/$/€. Yes, the culture war idiots will pay it regardless, and convince themselves they've made a point in the process; however, people who care more about gameplay than fanservice might just balk at forking over that kind of money in this instance. Sony just about gets away with the 70 [insert currency unit here] approach for massive first-party games like Ragnarok and Horizon, but Stellar Blade is a different can of tuna - a third-party game from a Korean mobile developer, making its first foray into the console world, with a 25-hour runtime. I'm not sure that'll fly. Sony started the whole $€£70 price tag themselves, and had their devs try to justify it on twiter. Probably most shocking is that they didn’t charge that for Helldivers 2. |
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Post by JonFE on Apr 1, 2024 14:48:35 GMT
Speaking of the asking price, I do think Sony are setting Stellar Blade up to fail by asking for 70 £/$/€. Yes, the culture war idiots will pay it regardless, and convince themselves they've made a point in the process; however, people who care more about gameplay than fanservice might just balk at forking over that kind of money in this instance. Sony just about gets away with the 70 [insert currency unit here] approach for massive first-party games like Ragnarok and Horizon, but Stellar Blade is a different can of tuna - a third-party game from a Korean mobile developer, making its first foray into the console world, with a 25-hour runtime. I'm not sure that'll fly. Sony started the whole $€£70 price tag themselves, and had their devs try to justify it on twiter. Probably most shocking is that they didn’t charge that for Helldivers 2. Probably thought they couldn't get away with asking more and are now kicking themselves! |
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 14:52:48 GMT
JonFE If you showed these people a scene with Eve and Tachy getting it on, I'm sure they'd explode; however, I'm less certain that you'd want to witness it! I have a feeling the same individuals who scream bloody murder about games showing men in relationships - and complained about the lesbian relationships in The Last of Us Part II and the Forbidden West DLC, come to that - would be willing to accept a bit of same-sex action in this particular instance. Just a hunch.
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Post by Tuffty on Apr 1, 2024 14:53:31 GMT
I'd say the lower price tag for Helldivers is part of what lead to it's success frankly. Much easier to get friends on board when a game costs £30 than £70
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 1, 2024 14:55:03 GMT
Sony started the whole $€£70 price tag themselves, and had their devs try to justify it on twiter. Probably most shocking is that they didn’t charge that for Helldivers 2.
Well, yeah... and now it has become a blanket policy for all PS5 exclusives, third-party and first-party alike.
I seem to remember Housemarque expressing concerns about Returnal being priced the same way, along the lines that it'd generate expectations that the game wouldn't necessarily meet. Not a great thing for Sony to foist upon their developers.
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Post by Ulythium on Apr 7, 2024 10:24:22 GMT
Have you had a chance to check this out since you got back, Jambowayoh? |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 7, 2024 11:18:36 GMT
Have you had a chance to check this out since you got back, Jambowayoh? I've dl it. I'll give it a go this afternoon and report back. |
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Apr 7, 2024 12:56:47 GMT
JonFE If you showed these people a scene with Eve and Tachy getting it on, I'm sure they'd explode; however, I'm less certain that you'd want to witness it! I have a feeling the same individuals who scream bloody murder about games showing men in relationships - and complained about the lesbian relationships in The Last of Us Part II and the Forbidden West DLC, come to that - would be willing to accept a bit of same-sex action in this particular instance. Just a hunch. awww man didn't expect the H:FW bit ... |
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Post by Frog on Apr 7, 2024 13:58:38 GMT
I'm much less likely to take a punt on a game at 70 and I'm not sure why. It's only a tenner and everything else costs loads more than it used to.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Apr 7, 2024 14:02:19 GMT
It does feel like 60 quid was a psychological barrier that was acceptable for a video game regardless of the fact that it's been the median price for god knows how long. I think there's also the fact that modern game development has led to a deluge of games being released effectively broken on day one and how long its taken for them to be fixed if at all and then being asked to pay 70 quid for that privilege.
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