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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 7, 2021 16:43:29 GMT
I've reached a point where three beers is enough to give me a 2 day hangover and it's annoying.
On Sunday evening I had a 330ml can of a barrel aged sour by Moor (8.9%) and two 500ml bottles of Bath Ales Wild Hare (5%). Felt shit yesterday, ended up with a headache migraine thing that didn't fully go away until this morning.
What annoys me is that there appears to be no rhyme or reason as to how shit I'll feel the next day. I can drink more than and feel great the next day.
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Post by quadfather on Sept 7, 2021 17:37:02 GMT
I'm just grateful that I don't really touch wine or spirits. It's strictly beer and cider. But yeah, I'll have tow.three in the pub on the way back then I'll finish the six I've got at home. I definitely consider myself a functioning alco, no point lying about it. Wake up slightly rough tomorrow, but then the walk to work will clear my head. In myself, I'm not arsed, my personality doesn't change, I'm not some Jekyll and Hyde or anything. But I worry about my kids obv, and the money would come in damn useful at the moment. Me and you are identical. That's exactly the same as me, except it's just cider only. I'm not arsed either tbh. I know it's not healthy and too much, but I don't really care.l about it in the grand scheme of things. Over the last 5/6 years, some pretty shitty stuff has happened, and while I know I drink too much, I'm happy. Also, today was the first day back at work on a rota system. It was weird and stupid in general. Traffic awful on the way in, and even worse on the way home, in 30 degree heat. Pub. |
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Post by trafford on Sept 7, 2021 17:52:55 GMT
I'm a year sober again. I had quite a messy relapse last year which lasted a couple of months. I'd been sober for two years prior to that. And before that? Let's not go there.
Alcoholism is a progressive disease and in it's advanced stages can be a threefold illness. You could be a moderate or heavy drinker for years and the only side effect could be on your pocket or making the occasional fool of yourself. But things can take a turn for the worse for any number of reasons and before you know it...
I quite fancied a cold cider or something tonight, but I had to remind myself that it would most certainly lead to a bender. Drinking spirits to a life threatening level. So I didn't bother, the feeling passed.
I attend and am involved with a certain recovery fellowship, have a good sponsor and try and work a program. Via recovery I've made a lot of friends of all demographics and I'm in good health.
In fact, I'm nearly 50 and don't think I've ever been happier. New career, great relationship with my adult kids. Their mother doesn't talk to me but that's fine.
Acceptance is a wonderful thing and finding your gratitude is essential.
But cutting down or weaning yourself off the stuff is hard.
Sometimes you need help. If anyone wants to talk feel free to DM me.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 17:55:32 GMT
@drhickman, I've always been the same. Full on 12 day sesh? Not too shabby. 3 small beers after work? Wretched the next day. When I was at uni, I remember reading about an amino acid supplement (glucosamine I think it was) which you took before going out, meant to really help. I don't think I've ever felt worse. I don't remember drinking to excess that night either (although which night wasn't back then...).
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 17:56:30 GMT
Good stuff Trafford. Well done. One day at a time and all that.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 7, 2021 18:06:34 GMT
I'm a year sober again. I had quite a messy relapse last year which lasted a couple of months. I'd been sober for two years prior to that. And before that? Let's not go there. Alcoholism is a progressive disease and in it's advanced stages can be a threefold illness. You could be a moderate or heavy drinker for years and the only side effect could be on your pocket or making the occasional fool of yourself. But things can take a turn for the worse for any number of reasons and before you know it... I quite fancied a cold cider or something tonight, but I had to remind myself that it would most certainly lead to a bender. Drinking spirits to a life threatening level. So I didn't bother, the feeling passed. I attend and am involved with a certain recovery fellowship, have a good sponsor and try and work a program. Via recovery I've made a lot of friends of all demographics and I'm in good health. In fact, I'm nearly 50 and don't think I've ever been happier. New career, great relationship with my adult kids. Their mother doesn't talk to me but that's fine. Acceptance is a wonderful thing and finding your gratitude is essential. But cutting down or weaning yourself off the stuff is hard. Sometimes you need help. If anyone wants to talk feel free to DM me. Would you say I’m in the very dangerous category? |
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Post by trafford on Sept 7, 2021 18:44:51 GMT
@clem,
It sounds like you have concerns, how does your partner feel?
Apart from getting tipsy, how does it really affect you? Are you drinking to relax or to genuinely numb stuff out?
From the number of units you counted out that's pretty lightweight to how I ended up drinking (250 ish a week and functioning).
But having sat in a helluva lot of recovery meetings and listened to folk, it's not about how much you drink it's about how it affects you.
I know if I picked up a drink some inert party animal would awake in me and I wouldn't want to stop drinking. I'd probably nick your wallet and try it on with your Mrs as well.
But I'm actually quite reserved in real life. And my drinking wasn't always like that. It progressed.
I dunno, most addicts find their usage spins out of control and they find themselves in a rock bottom. Which obviously has different levels of shiteness.
Ultimately it's down to you to decide.
I like recovery, but I had to go through hell to get here.
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Post by trafford on Sept 7, 2021 18:50:21 GMT
*nicking wallets and sleeping with wives is a joke I use to describe bad behaviour when the booze corrupts morals etc
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 18:51:30 GMT
There are definitely elements of my boozing that are concerning. I drink to relax socially but also when stressed - whether home life, work or other external factors. It's also habitual - hit 5/6pm and I want a beer. The next day I can function at work, usually quite highly but because I haven't slept well, and generally a bit grumpy with the kids especially. But then I'm often grumpy. I generally drink less than I used to but still too much - and then there's the knock on impact on diet and willingness to exercise.
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Post by dmukgr on Sept 7, 2021 19:01:01 GMT
Order some Guinness zero for delivery tomorrow. If it taste like normal Guinness, I'll be super happy. How did you find it? I loved it when it came out originally and was hoping it would become ubiquitous in pubs on draft. +1 for spurs are shite. I'm a dark beer, stout and mild person. |
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Post by jono62 on Sept 7, 2021 19:16:54 GMT
Order some Guinness zero for delivery tomorrow. If it taste like normal Guinness, I'll be super happy. How did you find it? I loved it when it came out originally and was hoping it would become ubiquitous in pubs on draft. +1 for spurs are shite. I'm a dark beer, stout and mild person. Cunts didn't have it in stock. Don't advertise it if you haven't got it. |
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 7, 2021 19:19:59 GMT
There are definitely elements of my boozing that are concerning. I drink to relax socially but also when stressed - whether home life, work or other external factors. It's also habitual - hit 5/6pm and I want a beer. The next day I can function at work, usually quite highly but because I haven't slept well, and generally a bit grumpy with the kids especially. But then I'm often grumpy. I generally drink less than I used to but still too much - and then there's the knock on impact on diet and willingness to exercise. You have just basically described me |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 19:21:01 GMT
I have been open-minded but eternally disappointed in every non-alcoholic beer I've ever tried. They're way better than they used to be (i.e. you can actually drink them without retching), but still nothing I'd choose to drink voluntarily over any other soft drink. I'm not (quite) at historical trafford levels of intake but not far off and wouldn't mind getting it down a bit.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 7, 2021 19:27:53 GMT
@clem, It sounds like you have concerns, how does your partner feel? Apart from getting tipsy, how does it really affect you? Are you drinking to relax or to genuinely numb stuff out? From the number of units you counted out that's pretty lightweight to how I ended up drinking (250 ish a week and functioning). But having sat in a helluva lot of recovery meetings and listened to folk, it's not about how much you drink it's about how it affects you. I know if I picked up a drink some inert party animal would awake in me and I wouldn't want to stop drinking. I'd probably nick your wallet and try it on with your Mrs as well. But I'm actually quite reserved in real life. And my drinking wasn't always like that. It progressed. I dunno, most addicts find their usage spins out of control and they find themselves in a rock bottom. Which obviously has different levels of shiteness. Ultimately it's down to you to decide. I like recovery, but I had to go through hell to get here. Thanks for that, re. my wife she is going on about it more and more. But if I cut back to moderate (two or three nights a week, less wine) she is fine. My problem is I know I have all the tell tale signs now, I crave it as soon as I finish work, I’ll downplay how much I’ve drunk, I’ve even topped up some bottles of wine in the past with water if I think I’ve drunk to much (this is very rare though). I don’t drink past midnight and normally stop around 11.30pm as I start eating (hello gut). Very rarely get drunk, just happy, but if it’s a night out with mates (drug use can also come into play) I’ll be the last one standing and want to keep going. |
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Post by dmukgr on Sept 7, 2021 19:54:23 GMT
Order some Guinness zero for delivery tomorrow. If it taste like normal Guinness, I'll be super happy. How did you find it? I loved it when it came out originally and was hoping it would become ubiquitous in pubs on draft. +1 for spurs are shite. I'm a dark beer, stout and mild person. Silly autocorrect. I meant sours, though Spurs are shite, tis true. |
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Post by quadfather on Sept 7, 2021 19:58:34 GMT
Hm that's interesting. I'm usually the first one to go home. I have my fill and then my brain says, "that's enough now" and then I go home and maybe nurse a couple wheedling down the hours before bedtime.
I'm always drinking every day, but I can't remember being very drunk or having any (severe) memory loss.
I think it brings different things out in people and depending how you generally live life, that maybe ok or not.
Edit - @ clem
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Post by Dougs on Sept 7, 2021 20:23:00 GMT
There are definitely elements of my boozing that are concerning. I drink to relax socially but also when stressed - whether home life, work or other external factors. It's also habitual - hit 5/6pm and I want a beer. The next day I can function at work, usually quite highly but because I haven't slept well, and generally a bit grumpy with the kids especially. But then I'm often grumpy. I generally drink less than I used to but still too much - and then there's the knock on impact on diet and willingness to exercise. You have just basically described me And many, many others too. Sadly. |
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Post by quadfather on Sept 7, 2021 20:30:08 GMT
I think that's probably a normal reaction though. I know it's all easily escalated into situations where it spirals, but I think that anything that combats stress is bound to be alluring.
Like Trafford said, it's how it affects you when you're drinking it.
As I type this, I've got my third smoke on the go, and my fifth drink of the evening and I'm very relaxed now. But that's going to have to be tapered soon, because I have to cook. If I just sat here and fucked the food off and just kept drinking, that's when I'd class it as a problem.
But then, I live on my todd, and try to minimise any stress in my life and I don't have anyone to answer to really and can do stuff whenever etc, which definitely makes a difference. As does having no kids etc. Couldn't comment on that area.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 20:37:12 GMT
I can't imagine Dougs grumpy.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 7, 2021 20:40:35 GMT
I can't imagine Dougs grumpy. Have you got kids? |
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Post by quadfather on Sept 7, 2021 20:44:07 GMT
I'm beginning to appreciate that while kids are obviously awesome, I'm kinda glad I dodged that bullet  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 21:18:39 GMT
I can't imagine Dougs grumpy. Have you got kids? Yeah, turned 3 yesterday. She's cool. |
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Post by damagedinc on Sept 7, 2021 21:34:27 GMT
Whisky and bourbon my main issues. I could easily do a bottle in a night but the key Is I don't.
If i didn't have that control to not do a bottle it would be terrifying.
My friend who I mentioned before, thats just told me he is officially an alcoholic. He was doing 100+ units a week. Which I suppose to some may not be horrendous but he had a secret stash from the wife/ looking after their kid drunk. All sorts. Really worry for him as he has depression aswell. He passes it off as a "cliche" and laughs but I know he's hurting. Not sure how to help him.
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Post by marcp on Sept 8, 2021 7:55:23 GMT
OK I feel a bit better reading some of the above, at least it's not just me. Which I know rationally that it isn't, but it's comforting to know others struggle with the same shit.
It's the cravings that are the worst. I can do night off, but I can't say it's with no trouble - not to bother on a night like last night - and looking like tonight - would put me in a right fucking grump.
Amount-wise, between 6 (good night) and 10/11 (bad), with prob 13/14 Sat & Sun. That's pretty horrendous.
Nights out are a funny one, it seems to get to me a lot more quickly in company, and once I'm full, I'm full, I'm well-known for just vanishing during a night out without so much as a word. I'll literally hit the full sign, put down the drink, and go straight home.
It's just frustrating because the last few years my diet and exercise habits have gotten so much better - just this one fucking gremlin that's holding me back.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 10, 2021 14:16:17 GMT
This is essentially the “what are you drinking tonight” thread right? No midweek boozing has been working out alright, but I’ve spent the last 2 days deciding what I’ll have tonight, got some steaks in the fridge so I might drag a bottle of red up from the cellar
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Post by drhickman1983 on Sept 10, 2021 14:24:05 GMT
I don't think I drink too much, as such, my intake isn't that great, but I do keep telling myself "I won't drink tonight, not doing anything so no need, and will save some moment", but then as the hours of the day creep on, that turns to "hm, maybe I will have a small drink" to "well it's Friday / Saturday / Sunday afternoon / boardgame night / raid night! I can have a couple of drinks"
And then instead of just buying some cheap lager I end up getting Imperial stouts or double IPAs.
But hey it's Friday.
Doesn't help that my local offie has gone big on the local and craft beers. Too tempting.
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Post by Dougs on Sept 10, 2021 14:35:47 GMT
This is essentially the “what are you drinking tonight” thread right? No midweek boozing has been working out alright, but I’ve spent the last 2 days deciding what I’ll have tonight, got some steaks in the fridge so I might drag a bottle of red up from the cellar Oooh, la de da. I may grab one from my cellar too my disused fireplace in the dining room . I have also not had a drink all week (2 weeks in a row, counting that as a success). So I have a couple of Menabrea in the fridge and will also sample last month's Craft Gin Club delivery. Maybe a glass of wine with dinner. But that'll be it - off to football tomorrow where much beer will be drank. |
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Post by elstoof on Sept 10, 2021 14:40:43 GMT
The cellar is less glamorous when you see the wine rack next to the washing machine and half a dozen bicycles. Coming up Holloway tomorrow Dougs? Hit me up some time if you’ve got time for a beer before, I’m just up the road
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Post by marcp on Sept 10, 2021 14:42:24 GMT
I have *counts in head*.... seven kids aged 6-17 staying at ours tonight. I will be drinking.
Stag do as such as it is tomorrow.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 10, 2021 14:44:36 GMT
So I only drank on Wednesday this week, had Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday off.
I did have 3 glasses of wine and 3 large beers though as I got the taste for it.
Looks will work to slowly bringing my midweek drink level down.
Going to drink tonight (out) and tomorrow night (friends over). But strictly no more than the equivalent of a bottle of wine and a couple of beers each night.
I think I'm going to do gradual consumption reduction rather than hard reduction, but still do the three nights drinking, with a view to swapping to just weekends.
Wish me luck!
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