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Post by khanivor on Feb 8, 2022 13:56:58 GMT
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Post by Danno on Feb 8, 2022 14:59:52 GMT
Lurker Good luck dude. I'll be posting in here soon enough
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 11, 2022 1:32:58 GMT
I have just returned from the pub and put food in the oven. Historically, there is a 50/50 chance of me either enjoying food tonight/this morning, or waking up tomorrow with a house full of smokey smells and an oven full of anthracite looking lumps of what was once frozen chicken.
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Post by Danno on Feb 11, 2022 4:50:44 GMT
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Post by drhickman1983 on Feb 11, 2022 8:55:01 GMT
After drinking 6 strong beers (like, imperial strength stouts and IPAs and sours), and then some whisky, I felt utterly shit on Monday to the extent that it put me off drinking, and went a whole three days without having anything.
Did have a couple of Wild Beer IPAs yesterday but didn't feel the need to keep drinking at all.
Discovered that I quite like the Brooklyn Alcohol Free Hoppy Lager, might be the best AF beer for me. Similar mouth feel and lacked the cloying sweetness some AF beers have.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Feb 11, 2022 12:16:02 GMT
After waking up just before six and legging it to the bathroom with the boiling shits, I checked and was pleasantly surprised to discover I hadn't burned the kitchen down.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Feb 11, 2022 13:01:00 GMT
Blue_Mike was able to return to bed to sleep off his hangover safe in the knowledge he'd at least not burnt the kitchen down.
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Post by Vortex on Feb 11, 2022 13:32:40 GMT
looks like our kitchen after our lad nips down to make a snack late at night...
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Post by Lizard on Feb 14, 2022 6:26:10 GMT
This is me now. I've been going through phases of drinking too much on and off for the last decade, and I need to lose weight, take more care of my body etc.
What's pushed me over the edge though is that recently more than one or two means I get a bit anxious the next day, even if I only get tipsy. If I get hammered it verges on full-blown anxiety. Going to knock it on the head completely for at least a few months.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 14, 2022 6:33:58 GMT
Good luck dude. Had a heavy weekend, had friends over Sat night for dinner, they left at 2.30am. I Got through nearly 2 bottles of wine plus a couple of beers. Yesterday was a struggle.
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 14, 2022 8:21:17 GMT
I’m down to two nights a week now. I have one bottle of wine and a few beers each night. I’m hoping this is acceptable levels as I don’t think I can drop down to one night...
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Post by スコットランド on Feb 14, 2022 8:23:25 GMT
This may sound daft but when I was getting my alcohol shit sorted, I used a drink counter app for a while, utterly simple , just hit the button when you get another drink, helped make you conscience of how many and helped stop me going over the "too many" threshold. Maybe worth a shout?
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 14, 2022 8:31:08 GMT
This may sound daft but when I was getting my alcohol shit sorted, I used a drink counter app for a while, utterly simple , just hit the button when you get another drink, helped make you conscience of how many and helped stop me going over the "too many" threshold. Maybe worth a shout? I’m using the nhs drink free days app and it does keep you more aware, plus tells you calories saved etc. 👍
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Mar 27, 2022 19:19:58 GMT
I just accidentally added milk (which was destined for a tea) to my Pimm's, it curdled, I drank it anyway. I'm not proud.
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Post by Lizard on Mar 27, 2022 20:05:14 GMT
How does your mum/wife feel about that?
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Mar 27, 2022 20:43:52 GMT
Well my mum's dead, I fear Mrs Mercury may not see the funny side.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 27, 2022 20:47:55 GMT
My group of friends in my teens went through a fucking weird peach schnapps obsessed phase. IIRC Baileys and schnapps got accidentally mixed one night and turned into an ungodly curdled mess...
...I might've tried a bit.
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Post by Lizard on Mar 27, 2022 20:48:56 GMT
Well my mum's dead, I fear Mrs Mercury may not see the funny side. Apologies if that seemed crass. It was meant to be a reference to your post on page 1 of the thread.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 27, 2022 21:09:15 GMT
Had a night where I drank a few White Russians once. When the Kahlua ran out I just tried mixing vodka and milk.
Turns out the coffee liqueur is a really, really, critically, important aspect in a White Russian.
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Post by unrealkilla on Mar 28, 2022 6:30:15 GMT
Fun fact. September 29th last year was my first day sober, so today marks 180 days alcohol free.
Well, I had some Christmas Pudding that tasted strongly of brandy and also a lemon sorbet in February that tasted strongly of Limoncello.
But other than that, nada.
About to get up for work on a Monday, and all I feel is lazy and sleepy. Once upon a time I would have been hanging out of my ass.
Still, had a few moments recently where the urge to drink and get drunk was almost overwhelming. I bought a pack of cigarettes to help. Am ok.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Mar 28, 2022 7:44:23 GMT
I just find my will power breaks very easily.
It's not like I'm getting really hammered but I do drink more than I'd like. Ended up drinking 5 cans last night that I'd hoped would last the week.
Don't feel too bad today - possibly hungover a bit, but tbh I've sometimes felt worse than this when I've drank nothing. It's mostly just the sense of regret and self-loathing I'm feeling. Can't really afford to keep staffing money on booze and it's really not helping me keep what little shape I do have.
But I'm not quite sure what to do when my brain goes "oh we'd like a drink".
At least I'm not drinking everyday now.
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Post by Lurker on Mar 28, 2022 7:55:49 GMT
Fun fact. September 29th last year was my first day sober, so today marks 180 days alcohol free. Well, I had some Christmas Pudding that tasted strongly of brandy and also a lemon sorbet in February that tasted strongly of Limoncello. But other than that, nada. About to get up for work on a Monday, and all I feel is lazy and sleepy. Once upon a time I would have been hanging out of my ass. Still, had a few moments recently where the urge to drink and get drunk was almost overwhelming. I bought a pack of cigarettes to help. Am ok. That's great, really well done! I don't suppose you mind me asking how long it took until you "felt better"? Since I posted here it's been 50 days (I've only drank on 3 days total prior to that this year). I still struggle with sleep problems & I feel like absolute dog shit all the time. I felt better before I quit as I was still active, but now I'm feeling seriously fatigued all the time (I never drank coffee but now I need it just to get me through work). So far, no fun.
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Post by unrealkilla on Mar 28, 2022 8:53:16 GMT
Tbh this might sound fucked up and discouraging, but the truth is I felt best immediately after I first quit. When the doctor first told me, then in the following couple of months when I felt optimistic for the future and one day I'd be myself aged 19 again.
Like 15-20 years ago, I made a couple of attempts to go sober for a bit, to see how I got on. I remember feeling much, much better almost straight away, especially happier, which was a bit scary in some ways, because I thought about wasted time and how things could be like always.
Over the past 5-6 years, I've done the odd sober months, for a challenge, a laugh, and for charity, like Sober October and Dry January. What's been a bit unsettling is that I no longer felt lots better straight away. But that also underlined the need for change.
Now, 6 months sober I guess I feel better but thankfully I don't really remember how rough it was waking up on Monday with a hangover that would often last till Wednesday. I know I feel noticeably clearer headed but I've been going through a ton of other shit recently (since Christmas/New Years), not least of which a cancer scare, job/company is absolutely horrible etc, family/social issues, where I've been so tempted to reach for a bottle, and no longer have that safety blanket.
Tbh it's hard to answer that question now because I don't feel great, for reasons outlined above, and yeah I feel really lethargic, sleepy and achy but what with everything else going on, Covid, stress, it's hard to know what it's down to at this point.
The doctor recommended a local AA type group called Together. I called them but they never called me back. I might try and reach out again.
Maybe another thing to focus on is the money saved. I have been saving a shit load and spending it on games, clothes and shit. Lol.
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Post by unrealkilla on Mar 28, 2022 9:01:19 GMT
I should add that at this point, what's keeping me sober is the doctor's orders to completely quit, for life, straight away, which he again underlined even more forcefully with the ultrasound results recently.
One of the biggest "positive feels" rewards was the relief I felt when he told me this, because I know myself and the way I am, and I knew that this is the only way I'd ever quit for good, not for good feelings, although that's a nice side effect of course.
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Post by Lurker on Mar 28, 2022 9:37:54 GMT
I can relate to the other shit going on and it really is hard not to reach for the safety blanket.
It sounds like you've had a really rough time and you're right about not knowing what could be the real cause of feeling shit/lethargic as it's probably is a combination of everything. You sound focused and your circumstances mean you have no choice but it's still a massive achievement to keep at it.
Originally, I said I'd go to Easter and re-asses but I think I have to give this longer now (6 months), but it seems to get harder due to the daily life issues, job etc and because of lack of results it really is a serious test.
Money wise, I've done exactly the same as you, I've been buying loads of shit I don't really need, but I guess it gives me a bit of short-term satisfaction!
Thanks for sharing, even if it didn't give me the answer that I will feel better in X days it still helps to bring things into perspective.
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Post by unrealkilla on Mar 28, 2022 10:15:15 GMT
Thanks mate.
Yeah doc was stern, but he did also give me huge props for sticking with it.
I guess with clear headedness and better memory, came a slightly clearer knowledge of what has been going on the past 25 years. A bit like remembering something really embarrassing or inappropriate from "the night before". Which initially feels undermining and a drink trigger, but if you weather the storm of thoughts for a bit, you look to the future and strengthen your resolve to stay sober. Think of all the positive things that staying sober will surely bring for your career, social, family life etc, and think about the small changes that you are already seeing, and try to focus on those.
I dunno about you but yeah, I can lose my temper severely and drink and hangovers never helped this. I was listening to a yoga teacher the other day and he was talking about words that people say that make you angry, imagine they are talking a different language, then you wouldn't understand what they were saying and it's not real, it's their problem and you are a unified divine being and not reactive and if people make you react then they essentially control you and you can take control back by not reacting and distancing yourself, and if you see them trying to create these reactions in you then really you should feel sorry for them or just ignore them.
Maybe for us middle aged recovering alcoholics, the "feeling much better" phase comes later, and the reward we have now and what we need to focus on is not wasting any more time that life might still have left for us and making the best of it.
We're all different though. For example, I don't have any problem going to a pub on my own or with other people and drinking soft drinks. I also went to a house party last month with lots of alcohol but I was fine with the 0% stuff the host graciously provided, but I would have bought my own if he said he couldn't. I was one of the first to get there and I spoke to my friend the host about it and to the other guy that was there, and left it up to them to tell the others the reasons if they wanted to tactfully when I wasn't in the room. I didn't make a fuss about it and no-one gave a shit, I guess it's like that one vegan eco warrior who gives everyone shit for getting a KFC on the way home, don't be that guy lol.
Maybe lockdown has actually helped in that respect. Like, I remember being sober around drunk people used to be awkward, but now I'm just grateful for the novelty of being out of the house and around other people.
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Post by trafford on Mar 28, 2022 11:53:17 GMT
unrealkilla, well done, nice work. It really does get easier and the benefits become really obvious and something you don't want to live without. In regards the recovery groups your doctor mentioned. There are loads of them out there but I've attended AA regularly, for the last 6 years or so. It's great, more of a worldwide fellowship than a short term plan. Some AA meetings are better than others so it's worth trying a few, maybe find on on zoom to get a taster. I got a sponsor and now live with a 12 step recovery program. Learnt a lot about myself and this really does help staying away from the first drink, which would inevitably lead to another...
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Post by Lurker on Mar 28, 2022 12:16:14 GMT
Thanks mate. Yeah doc was stern, but he did also give me huge props for sticking with it. I guess with clear headedness and better memory, came a slightly clearer knowledge of what has been going on the past 25 years. A bit like remembering something really embarrassing or inappropriate from "the night before". Which initially feels undermining and a drink trigger, but if you weather the storm of thoughts for a bit, you look to the future and strengthen your resolve to stay sober. Think of all the positive things that staying sober will surely bring for your career, social, family life etc, and think about the small changes that you are already seeing, and try to focus on those. I dunno about you but yeah, I can lose my temper severely and drink and hangovers never helped this. I was listening to a yoga teacher the other day and he was talking about words that people say that make you angry, imagine they are talking a different language, then you wouldn't understand what they were saying and it's not real, it's their problem and you are a unified divine being and not reactive and if people make you react then they essentially control you and you can take control back by not reacting and distancing yourself, and if you see them trying to create these reactions in you then really you should feel sorry for them or just ignore them. Maybe for us middle aged recovering alcoholics, the "feeling much better" phase comes later, and the reward we have now and what we need to focus on is not wasting any more time that life might still have left for us and making the best of it. We're all different though. For example, I don't have any problem going to a pub on my own or with other people and drinking soft drinks. I also went to a house party last month with lots of alcohol but I was fine with the 0% stuff the host graciously provided, but I would have bought my own if he said he couldn't. I was one of the first to get there and I spoke to my friend the host about it and to the other guy that was there, and left it up to them to tell the others the reasons if they wanted to tactfully when I wasn't in the room. I didn't make a fuss about it and no-one gave a shit, I guess it's like that one vegan eco warrior who gives everyone shit for getting a KFC on the way home, don't be that guy lol. Maybe lockdown has actually helped in that respect. Like, I remember being sober around drunk people used to be awkward, but now I'm just grateful for the novelty of being out of the house and around other people. You’re really lucky to have friends that don’t make a fuss for not drinking. I ended up not going out with my usual crowd a few weeks ago as they insisted that I drink, the amount of shit I got was unreal. It’s almost as if I’d said I’d banged their wives or something the way they acted! I don’t really care if they want to get smashed and equally they should just let me be and it ended up with me thinking I can’t drink around them now because they’ll say “ahh, I knew you’d drink again you wanker!” I’ve got other sets of friends and family events lined up over the coming months. My wife hardly drinks and certain groups of those always try to pressure her, so no doubt they’ll be worse with me. I should be looking forward to seeing people again but I’m not because of the pressure to drink. I have noticed since I stopped drinking I’m not putting up with as much shit and I seem to get very agitated. I never used to get annoyed but now I have less patience especially at work. A few people have asked if I’m feeling ok as they say I’m usually very diplomatic and manage to handle everything so easy (I get all the shit projects because of that) but they said of late I’m coming across negative and abrupt. In reality doing 10-12 hour days and getting every piece of shit project thrown at you should be the answer in itself, but I guess I used to made jokes and cracked on with it as I know at the end of the day I’d block it out with alcohol and collapse in bed! I guess this is back to what you said earlier about other things affecting your mood, cause of fatigue, lack of sleep, etc. What I have realised in all of this is that our country has a seriously bad obsession with alcohol.
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Post by Syrette on Mar 28, 2022 12:34:24 GMT
What I have realised in all of this is that our country has a seriously bad obsession with alcohol. No more than most countries, I'd wager.
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Post by Lurker on Mar 28, 2022 12:40:44 GMT
What I have realised in all of this is that our country has a seriously bad obsession with alcohol. No more than most countries, I'd wager. As that guy says on the Carlsberg advert...... "probably"
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