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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 16:18:52 GMT
JuniorFEI just mean just a traditional small box with a basic ass controller, no docking capabilities and most importantly, no fancy display or any such thing. With the hardware to run games the same as in docked mode. Should be noticeably cheaper? Compared to the Lite, they'd save money on the now unnecessary extra display but they'd have to give it monitor connectivity (not through a dock, but some additional work would surely be needed there compared to a handheld-only), stronger hardware than the Lite (to run games at docked quality/performance), plus a controller. I'm not 100% sure on how it all shakes out but I think it'd end up at the same price as the Lite at least (with the display savings cancelled out by the other changes), if not somewhere between the Lite and the hybrid/original Switch. |
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 14, 2024 16:19:28 GMT
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 14, 2024 16:21:21 GMT
I'm not 100% sure on how it all shakes out but I think it'd end up at the same price as the Lite at least, if not somewhere between the Lite and the hybrid/original Switch. The Lite is currently € 159 on Amazon, I'd happily pay that for the TV-only version I'm imagining. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 16:22:25 GMT
I hated the Wiimote too, it's horrible if all you want is a comfortable normal controller and really don't care for motion controls. And it completely changed what kind of games you'd get on the console, there was almost nothing that I liked at all. It was the reason why I quit Nintendo, and traditional home console gaming with pro controller (or similar) is why I'm even beginning to consider getting a Nintendo console again. That's perfectly fair, but subjectively disliking it is a bit different from unilaterally declaring it shit when the majority response was so overwhelmingly positive, IMHO... |
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 14, 2024 16:27:33 GMT
Yeah that's true. It certainly was a success, certainly not objectively trash or something--but it was if you wanted to play games like on other consoles or even on Nintendo's own previous consoles.
Yeah, still funny to think how people thought the Wii would be the end of Nintendo, and how the designer of the PS3 said the price point wouldn't be an issue because people would gladly work extra hours to afford one.
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Post by Frog on Sept 14, 2024 16:28:22 GMT
The motion controls on it were so bad they had to release something to improve them. It also severely limited the amount of games that would play well on it.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 14, 2024 16:31:39 GMT
I was really happy that I could get an official Classic Controller Pro together with my Wii and New Super Mario Bros.
What do you mean that doesn't work...? WHY
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 14, 2024 16:44:41 GMT
I've loved handhelds ever since I got a GBA SP. A Link to the Past and Mario World in the palm of your hand was mad I'm probably in a minority but I'd rather Nintendo went back to separate home and handheld consoles. A bit more power for the home console and more niche games on the handheld
The Wii seems like a million years ago now. So much has changed
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 16:47:31 GMT
The motion controls on it were so bad they had to release something to improve them. It's also severely limited the amount of games that would play well on it. The Wii Motion Plus was intended to build upon hardware that was already making waves in terms of versatility and innovation. They wanted to improve and had the technology to do so. It was also released in 2009, fully three years after the Wii's release. Are you saying the Wii's library before then, including games that were both critically and commercially/publicly acclaimed such as the first Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, the original Wii Sports, WarioWare and many others that made good and heavy use of the Wiimote, all sucked because they lacked it? Because that's a minority opinion if I've ever heard one tbh (note that I'm not saying that they wouldn't have been even better with it, that's obvious and proven by, say, Skyward Sword after Twilight Princess. It's just weird to me to claim that anything before it sucked). |
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 14, 2024 16:53:39 GMT
Having to shake the controller to spin in Galaxy was a bit lame. While the Wii was very successful and was an interesting time, I don't really think of it that fondly as a console. It even looked plain and boring
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Post by Frog on Sept 14, 2024 16:54:56 GMT
I didn't mention the games sucking, I said the controller was shit, there is a big difference. I don't think I have ever played a game that's been better for having motion controls.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 16:57:27 GMT
I didn't mention the games sucking, I said the controller was shit, there is a big difference. I don't think I have ever played a game that's been better for having motion controls. But if the games that used the controller the most were at worst good then how did the controller suck? Clearly it didn't, if it did its job (playing games, especially those built for it) well... That's like saying the cheese in a pizza place sucks but all the pizzas made with (a lot of) said cheese are great  How would you make games like Galaxy, Zelda or Smooth Moves work with a traditional controller when even aside from any motion controls they also made heavy use of, say, the pointer, for instance? |
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Post by Frog on Sept 14, 2024 16:59:44 GMT
Because every one of them would have played better on another controller. I'm not sure what part of this you aren't getting. The controller constantly gets in the way of the games being good. As I said before I have never played a game that's been better for having motion controls.
Galaxy and Zelda certainly have no need for them.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 14, 2024 17:05:12 GMT
Also the Wii gave us Hardcore Gamers so it deserve all the shit it gets, ugh
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Post by dangerousdave on Sept 14, 2024 17:08:19 GMT
The Wii remote is the only console controller that offered parity for left-handed players.
Seriously though, I didn’t mind the Wii remote. There were certainly games that didn’t know how to use it, but carving through snow in SSX with a nun-chuck felt good. Delivering the final slice of a combo in No More Heroes with a waggle felt good. Steering a truck at lightning speed through trees in Excite Truck felt good. Metroid Prime 3 in its entirety felt good. Golf and bowling became genuinely excellent sports games. Anno and its use of an on-screen pointer was excellent. Resi 4 being Resi 4!
For sure, it could have been better, but I think it just exposed a weakness of many developers. A weakness that hasn’t really changed. Many of them can’t do controls for shit and rely on pre-existing templates or implement too many unnecessary commands.
The Wii remote forced them to simplify things and at the time developers were instead trying to shoehorn any kind of gimmicky gesture for novelty.
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 17:08:20 GMT
Because every one of them would have played better on another controller. I'm not sure what part of this you aren't getting. The controller constantly gets in the way of the games being good. As I said before I have never played a game that's been better for having motion controls. Galaxy and Zelda certainly have no need for them. Agree to disagree, but the part I'm not getting is how things like Galaxy's movement (Pull Stars in particular) and Zelda's gadgets (especially things like the Hookshot/Clawshot, Beetle etc) would have worked better without the pointer. It felt more natural to aim that way compared to being controlled with a control stick, to the point that, while I understand why they couldn't do it on BotW/TotK with the Switch being what it is, parts like Magnesis, Stasis etc would probably have benefitted from at least the option of pointer control as well... I will say that I understand and agree with the complaint of developers shoehorning motion controls unnecessarily just to say they did it though. Much like, maybe to a lesser degree, the DS and touch controls. |
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Post by dangerousdave on Sept 14, 2024 17:10:46 GMT
The only thing I’d change on the Wii remote would be dropping the A button and moving the d-pad down. That alone would accommodate so many more games.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 14, 2024 18:17:17 GMT
I liked the wiimote when it was used like a mouse pointer, I always thought that worked extremely well. What was that operating room game again, I think it also released on the DS?
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 14, 2024 18:19:50 GMT
I liked the wiimote when it was used like a mouse pointer, I always thought that worked extremely well. What was that operating room game again, I think it also released on the DS? Trauma Center, right? I meant to mention that too earlier (and Metroid Prime 3 as well) and completely forgot... |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 14, 2024 18:32:29 GMT
I liked the wiimote when it was used like a mouse pointer, I always thought that worked extremely well. What was that operating room game again, I think it also released on the DS? Trauma Center, right? I meant to mention that too earlier (and Metroid Prime 3 as well) and completely forgot... That's the one! I really should try and get a Wiimote from somewhere, I still have my WiiU. Wait, did the WiiU come with a sensor bar?? |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 14, 2024 19:01:32 GMT
There’s these couple games that are stuck on the Wii that never got ported, like Rhythm Heaven. Man, I need to find me a Wiimote.
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Post by Mark1412 on Sept 14, 2024 19:06:31 GMT
I hope they go curveball and announce GameCube 2. It's just the original GameCube but with halfway to PS5 graphics and an Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil Remake remake at launch. I'd be all over that.
And probably wouldn't have to worry too much about them all being scalped.
Still remember picking up the first one new for £85!
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Post by Mark1412 on Sept 14, 2024 19:12:09 GMT
Oh, and Wind Waker.
I'd miss Nintendo when they inevitably imploded from such a terrible financial decision, but it would be a great few months reliving some of those games.
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Post by elstoof on Sept 14, 2024 19:45:00 GMT
Trauma Center, right? I meant to mention that too earlier (and Metroid Prime 3 as well) and completely forgot... That's the one! I really should try and get a Wiimote from somewhere, I still have my WiiU. Wait, did the WiiU come with a sensor bar?? It did |
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 14, 2024 21:08:07 GMT
Second hand wiimotes are the grossest looking controllers out there. Those condoms haven't aged well.
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Post by RadicalRex on Sept 14, 2024 21:51:40 GMT
And buying used condoms always sucks
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 14, 2024 22:31:04 GMT
I've replaced so many joycon sticks for people I've lost count. Fortunately, you can buy hall-effect versions now which completely eliminate drift and only cost a fraction more than the old sticks, so I always keep a set handy just incase I'm asked to do a repair job for someone.
Never had any trouble with the pro controller, but I'd highly recommend the 8bitdo Pro 2 as a worthy substitute - It's really solid and the d-pad is excellent. Cheaper too.
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Post by Aunty Treats on Sept 15, 2024 0:34:38 GMT
I've replaced so many joycon sticks for people I've lost count. Fortunately, you can buy hall-effect versions now which completely eliminate drift and only cost a fraction more than the old sticks, so I always keep a set handy just incase I'm asked to do a repair job for someone. Never had any trouble with the pro controller, but I'd highly recommend the 8bitdo Pro 2 as a worthy substitute - It's really solid and the d-pad is excellent. Cheaper too. Can you turn the console on with the Pro 2? I had an 8bitdo one and you couldn't, which was more annoying that it sounds |
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 15, 2024 3:34:55 GMT
Sadly, no. It's the Pro 2's one weakness so you still need to keep a joycon handy to wake up the Switch if you're using it docked.
Apparently, they've finally addressed this with the 8bitdo Ultimate, but I don't have one to confirm that this is the case.
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Post by dmukgr on Sept 17, 2024 11:13:57 GMT
I have an Ultimate, and no, I cannot turn the console on with it.
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