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Post by Whizzo on Aug 24, 2023 16:43:49 GMT
Microsoft is giving up on gameplay parity for Baldur's Gate 3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2023 16:48:43 GMT
I’m not a developer so obviously I’m talking out of my ass here, but couldn’t they just trim the resolution or framerate when in splitscreen like they used to do in the N64 days?
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Post by Whizzo on Aug 24, 2023 16:57:59 GMT
Looks like it's a lack of memory that's the issue not the graphics.
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Post by zephro on Aug 24, 2023 17:53:24 GMT
I’m not a developer so obviously I’m talking out of my ass here, but couldn’t they just trim the resolution or framerate when in splitscreen like they used to do in the N64 days? Depends on what the limit is. If it's GPU yes. If it's memory or CPU no. Considering BG3 means each player can be opposite sides of huge maps I'd assume it's CPU or memory. The CPUs are similar so it's memory or memory bandwidth, as the S has narrower channels from memory. So wot Whizzo said Edit: though of course modern consoles have unified gddr memory, but it still holds. All the textures, shaders and geometry needs shunted into memory. So 2 players looking at 2 entirely different sets of things doubles the GPU memory requirements. You'd need to really compromise geometry, shader effects and textures to get it under. Resolution or frame rate only buys you GPU processing time. |
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Aug 24, 2023 19:05:58 GMT
I reckon I could probably count on one hand the number of people that would sit and play this through in couch co-op, so I doubt this is a great loss to anyone with an S.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 24, 2023 19:09:30 GMT
I don't think it really matters at this point as feature parity hasn't been a thing between the consoles for a while if you start looking at things like settings, ray tracing omission and frame rate disparities.
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Post by askew on Aug 24, 2023 20:45:24 GMT
Incase you don't know, you can normally take control of people in your party not in the conversation and position them better before going back to the conversation to start the fight. Not always though. I thought this would help with conversations too: Shadowheart has all the charisma of a stone, so I'm often using somebody else as the spokesperson |
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Post by Frog on Aug 24, 2023 21:07:17 GMT
Shadowheart is awesome but she doesn't really come into her own until act 2.
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Post by salaman on Aug 24, 2023 21:58:16 GMT
I'm playing as Wyll. He has plenty of charisma and Shadowheart has some spell that gives +14d to any skill check active roll on top of that.
I've not had Arterion with me for a while now, so Lae'zel is currently my go to gzl for locpicking.
She had a spell active until long rest that gives her bonus on sleigh of hand, she had some bonus for dexterity and then also Shadowheart's aforementioned spell that gives 1 extra d4. She manages to pick just about anything.
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Post by rhaegyr on Aug 25, 2023 9:14:17 GMT
I reckon I could probably count on one hand the number of people that would sit and play this through in couch co-op, so I doubt this is a great loss to anyone with an S. Bingo. I've got an S and I'm glad this gets the game out quicker so I can play it in online co-op with friends. |
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Post by askew on Aug 25, 2023 13:24:37 GMT
Patch 1 klaxon: 2.2GB
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 25, 2023 13:29:28 GMT
Well the 1000+ fixes and tweaks were bound to make it big
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Post by skalpadda on Aug 25, 2023 13:29:29 GMT
Patch notes (there are some spoilers): baldursgate3.game/news/patch-1-now-live_87Haven't read it all (it's massive), but at least they fixed my owlbear enrage. Ran into my first really serious quest bug today, which they don't seem to have fixed, but at least I found a workaround, so it's not a disaster. |
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 25, 2023 13:31:06 GMT
Well the 1000+ fixes and tweaks were bound to make it big I feel like that looks more negative than I intended it being, for the record I'm snarking but in a positive way 😅 |
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Post by askew on Aug 25, 2023 13:41:45 GMT
Tell you what I keep forgetting: being able to cast spells Charm Person when I'm just wandering about.
(Also, I downloaded the Player Handbook to remind myself about the inner workings)
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 25, 2023 14:11:01 GMT
So, we all going balls deal with worms in our skull-brains, or are well all going GET THIS SHIT OUT OF ME?
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Post by askew on Aug 25, 2023 14:19:45 GMT
I’m going full-Illithid
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 25, 2023 14:20:34 GMT
Patch notes (there are some spoilers): baldursgate3.game/news/patch-1-now-live_87Haven't read it all (it's massive), but at least they fixed my owlbear enrage. Ran into my first really serious quest bug today, which they don't seem to have fixed, but at least I found a workaround, so it's not a disaster. Went through with a Ctrl+F for Sorc and Warlock (my first two choices for class so didn't care about much else in the notes) and it seems like they both just got minor helpful fixes, so I'm happy Granted I don't know if anything got nerfed in general (very quick skim through, as I said) so maybe there wasn't anything for them to "avoid" anyway, but hey |
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Post by JuniorFE on Aug 25, 2023 14:26:57 GMT
Also apparently Patch 2 will focus mostly on performance buffs... And the playerbase has collectively cleared the 200 million hour mark.
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 25, 2023 14:40:55 GMT
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Post by askew on Aug 25, 2023 15:49:19 GMT
Definitely a bit stuck here. Getting rinsed, but can’t find things to level up. Also my party composition sucks with three spellcasters 😂
Edit: holy shit Zevlor and co are useless.
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Post by aubergine on Aug 25, 2023 16:49:22 GMT
Pretty amazing that people are having a gold-standard time with this and the dev jus released a patch addressing 1000 bugs. Cyberpunk had like seven bugs and people went berserk for 5 years.
Pretty impatient for the console release, but I’ll still probably wait to find out the state of it on PS5 first, it would be the most expensive game I’ve ever bought if I pay what they’re asking. I do not like this digital-only / single retailer future.
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Post by askew on Aug 25, 2023 16:56:48 GMT
I've seen a little whackiness in cut-scenes (pretty sure my character was T-posing), and the game keeps forgetting my video settings, but other than that it's been good thus far.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 25, 2023 17:00:18 GMT
I think that's underplaying the state Cyberpunk released in a bit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 17:03:11 GMT
Yeah, I loved it at the time, but I’ve not played a single game buggier than Cyberpunk 2077 at launch, ever. And I played it on PS5, so I didn’t have the N64 character models as the shaders and textures set in.
But that said, I also think PC gamers are a lot more forgiving of bugs than console players. It’ll be interesting to see if PS5 players who buy it off PC hype experience whatever those 5000 or so apparent bugs are on launch.
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Post by zephro on Aug 25, 2023 17:04:55 GMT
Most the bugs I encountered were shit like dialogue lines happening twice, not in a row. Animations not working but reloading fixes it.
Lots of small things, none of them a big deal. Doesn't feel broken, just like it needs a bit of smoothing out.
And yes as a pc gamer primarily I will forgive roughness for ambition. Vampire Bloodlines comes to mind. That was a true mess but a glorious one.
If it's the next big budget iteration of some known formula, that's a console game at heart I'm way less forgiving. Say the Jedi Survivor games. Big franchise, relatively rote game design, I expect that to live by it's polish to differentiate it from the crowd. Anything wildly ambitious but a bit messy isn't selling itself on polish. Hell Dwarf Fortress is still one of my favourite games.
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Post by Vandelay on Aug 25, 2023 17:28:26 GMT
I think that is right for PC gamers. If something is truly trying to do something interesting than we are willing to push through even the most buggiest of messes. If it is not offering much new, then we will be merciless and tear it apart for any bugs.
Think also that there is nothing that a pc gamer hates more than a half-arsed port. Poor graphics options, ignoring support for things like ultra-wide screens and performance that relies on brute force more than optimisation will never go down well. Show a little love to the platform and people will be more willing to forgive problems, especially if they aren't game breaking ones.
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Post by askew on Aug 25, 2023 18:11:02 GMT
Oh piss. I finally beat the battle only for a friendly to get taken out in the last turn by a spell. Might have saved your home, but now I’m persona non grata for some light friendly fire. He only had 2hp left…
Edit: Bugger. I think I may have run into a bugged quest, after reading around.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Aug 25, 2023 18:38:28 GMT
Cyberpunk also overpromised and underdelivered, with things like the police barely functioning
BG3 seems to be exactly what people wanted it to be
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Aug 25, 2023 19:03:29 GMT
I do think everyone going hog wild for how a good a job the devs did and how every other developer on the planet should feel deeply ashamed of their life’s work only ever played some of the first act. It’s definitely gotten a whole lot buggier the further in I’ve got.
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