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Post by Mark1412 on Jun 7, 2024 20:33:34 GMT
Wonder if Pep or Arteta or, you know, anyone fancies a summer job.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 7, 2024 20:35:32 GMT
Get Ange in. Ange ball worked great for the first 11 games.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 7, 2024 20:35:54 GMT
Iceland aren’t even doing the cool slow clap thing. Thats just insulting.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 7, 2024 20:38:23 GMT
What a load of shite.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 7, 2024 20:38:45 GMT
Dreadful.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 7, 2024 20:39:37 GMT
Absolute shite from England tonight, I don't expect much from England friendlies but that was toilet.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 7, 2024 20:57:46 GMT
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Post by retro74 on Jun 7, 2024 21:06:55 GMT
I actually feel like I’ve gone mad sometimes with the claims that England have this amazing team. They have a good team but it’s not much better than Iceland to be honest
It would be better over a 38 game season but over 90 minutes the margin in very small
A couple of good players, lots of adequate ones and a few poor ones
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 21:17:50 GMT
I actually feel like I’ve gone mad sometimes with the claims that England have this amazing team. They have a good team but it’s not much better than Iceland to be honest It would be better over a 38 game season but over 90 minutes the margin in very small A couple of good players, lots of adequate ones and a few poor ones Fucking hell, talk about an overreaction to a friendly. |
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Post by retro74 on Jun 7, 2024 21:23:50 GMT
Nothing to do with the friendly, I’ve always thought the same about them
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Post by rawshark on Jun 7, 2024 21:26:08 GMT
Woah. My son just projectile vomited everywhere. Now we’ve got some adrenaline in the old system.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2024 21:30:33 GMT
Not much better than Iceland is definitely a hot take then.
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Post by retro74 on Jun 7, 2024 21:45:35 GMT
Not much better than Iceland is definitely a hot take then. Not really. Until Southgate turned up we were a perennial 15 to 20 in world rankings. Iceland have been top 20 relatively recently too Supporters think England are something special due to the relative strength of the PL but it’s always been the imports that influence what happens and who wins in general, not the English players - they just make up the numbers |
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Post by Syrette on Jun 7, 2024 22:05:05 GMT
Oh come on.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 7, 2024 22:28:42 GMT
I'd have said more than anything, we've underachieved. Sure, overseas players make the league but there's always been more than enough talent. The issue is lack of cohesion - they always look like 11 players thrust together with no clear plan how to play together.
Southgate is good in tournaments - problem is it's all so functional and uninspiring and in qualifying and friendlies, we all want a bit more.
Disclaimer: the defence may be our undoing in this tournament though.
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Post by Youthist on Jun 7, 2024 23:30:07 GMT
I'd have said more than anything, we've underachieved. Sure, overseas players make the league but there's always been more than enough talent. The issue is lack of cohesion - they always look like 11 players thrust together with no clear plan how to play together. Southgate is good in tournaments - problem is it's all so functional and uninspiring and in qualifying and friendlies, we all want a bit more. Disclaimer: the defence may be our undoing in this tournament though. A world QF, a world semi, and a Euro final is definitely not under achieving over the last 3 major tournaments, in my book. Based on my lifetime of tournaments, it’s actually been dreamland. |
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Post by simple on Jun 8, 2024 0:10:52 GMT
A bit disappointing for Scotland to fluff the final friendly like that but felt pretty much like the sort of performance you’d expect.
I didn’t see the England game but sounds like maybe players weren’t willing to put it all on the line for pre-tournament friendly. Which seems fair enough really.
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Post by loto on Jun 8, 2024 5:32:26 GMT
Iceland parked the bus. England threw wave after wave at them to little effect although Kane should have scored. The ease with which Iceland scored is a worry.
It was a dreary, frustrating watch
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Post by kingbambino on Jun 8, 2024 6:42:58 GMT
Slovakia and Luxembourg finished higher than Iceland in their qualifying group! Let’s not be silly
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Post by Dougs on Jun 8, 2024 6:50:15 GMT
A world QF, a world semi, and a Euro final is definitely not under achieving over the last 3 major tournaments, in my book. Based on my lifetime of tournaments, it’s actually been dreamland. I know, I know. I think quarters is probably the bare minimum though. After that, anything can happen. I think ultimately people want pragmatic football in tournaments (or can put up with it if we progress) but expansive style when qualifying. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2024 9:40:57 GMT
Not much better than Iceland is definitely a hot take then. Not really. Until Southgate turned up we were a perennial 15 to 20 in world rankings. Iceland have been top 20 relatively recently too Supporters think England are something special due to the relative strength of the PL but it’s always been the imports that influence what happens and who wins in general, not the English players - they just make up the numbers Bellingham La Liga player of the year, Kane top scorer in the Bundesliga, Foden player of the year for the champions and Palmer young player of the year. That's before you look at class players like Saka. To say the players are on par with Iceland is a joke. |
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Post by RobEG on Jun 8, 2024 10:54:47 GMT
What I would say in slight defence of the players yesterday is that most of them have had a week or so off after a long season. It’s probably difficult to mentally get back in the zone immediately.
I’m sure we’ll scrape through the group with a couple of uninspiring wins and a draw. Then who knows. But I can see a disappointing semi final defeat on the cards.
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Post by Whizzo on Jun 8, 2024 11:03:43 GMT
I don't think it helps that England friendlies just seem to be an obligation rather than anything else to a lot of players, a way for the FA to make some cash while not really showing how well or not the team can play together.
They'll be better in the tournament when there's something to really play for, how much better remains to be seen.
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Post by rammy18 on Jun 8, 2024 11:22:59 GMT
There’s always odd results before major tournaments (Honk Kong 11 anyone?) all over the world.
You have players who are looking to tick over and avoid injury, vs teams with no pressure on them. Add in the Wembley factor for a team that don’t play there often…shit happens.
Nobody will remember this game if it goes well in the summer, but there’s no other games so it gets analysed like it means something.
Don’t get me wrong, England should have won. But I don’t think it’ll do this group much harm, they’ve shown a decent mentality under Southgate
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Post by simple on Jun 8, 2024 11:34:42 GMT
You would look like a massive twat if you went all out and blew up your hamstrings in a nothing game no one cares about a week before a major tournament
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Post by Syrette on Jun 8, 2024 13:06:56 GMT
Not really. Until Southgate turned up we were a perennial 15 to 20 in world rankings. Iceland have been top 20 relatively recently too Supporters think England are something special due to the relative strength of the PL but it’s always been the imports that influence what happens and who wins in general, not the English players - they just make up the numbers Bellingham La Liga player of the year, Kane top scorer in the Bundesliga, Foden player of the year for the champions and Palmer young player of the year. That's before you look at class players like Saka. To say the players are on par with Iceland is a joke. I reckon we've a stealth Scotsman in our midst. |
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Post by rawshark on Jun 8, 2024 14:00:37 GMT
I like Iceland. They don’t win much but they have a history of being great frustrators. I will always remember the hissy fit Ronaldo threw after they couldn’t beat them - it showed him up for the petty, spoiled, entitled shit he’s always been. That was the measure of him.
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Post by retro74 on Jun 8, 2024 14:41:45 GMT
All those “good” players listed are decent, I’d agree with that. All forward players though, all players that flash brilliance but don’t control games, which we don’t have
No defenders mentioned either, which is England’s Achilles heel and the problem which ensures we have to play very structured and disciplined. If this England team attacked it would get destroyed as it doesn’t have any quality at the back
They are a good team for sure and Southgate certainly prepares them better than any other England team in history but they still aren’t good enough. Probably because grassroots football is a joke and every kid wants to play a forward role
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Post by simple on Jun 8, 2024 17:14:19 GMT
Despite having an entire thread on here dedicated to slagging him off I think England will probably, noticeably miss Maguire this tournament
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 8, 2024 18:30:08 GMT
Yep. Our defence is weak, and weaker without him.
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