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Post by Nanocrystal on Mar 12, 2023 10:43:03 GMT
I found the DLC episode to be just as boring and cringey as the DLC, so yeah it was a pretty accurate adaptation. Thankfully it's also just as skippable.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 12, 2023 10:56:26 GMT
Well that’s a strange reading. It’s probably the best DLC ever released IMO.
Personally, I thought David was fine. No worse, no better, just different.
The Bloater appearance is emblematic of the issue the show has where it’s still a video game adaptation, which clashes with the premium drama stuff. Bit like when you get drawn into the crime drama aspect of Batman then get kicked out of it when Bats turns up in his bat pyjamas.
Overall I think they did the right thing by making the infected window dressing and making what was left of humankind the main focus.
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Post by geefe on Mar 12, 2023 13:28:16 GMT
Needs a scene of him lobbing a bottle to distract someone
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Post by dfunked on Mar 12, 2023 13:33:02 GMT
Yeah, it was an excellent bit of DLC and I'm glad they worked it into the series. Not at all cringy imo. Admittedly a fairly slow moving episode, but never boring.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 12, 2023 14:44:36 GMT
The whole thing should just be baddies getting bricks to the face. In fact, bricks to the face for everybody!
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Post by rockavitch on Mar 12, 2023 16:49:25 GMT
Overall I think they did the right thing by making the infected window dressing and making what was left of humankind the main focus. I used the same approach when convincing my ex and mum to watch it as they thought it would just be a shooty shooty zombie thing. Told them there are infected but they are treated like a broken bridge over a river, occasionally they pop up as something to get past but it's not the focus. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 6:52:44 GMT
Criminally short length aside I think that might have been my favourite episode, absolutely fantastic stuff. Though it was a missed opportunity to not have the John Wick bit instead be a first-person sequence, ala the Doom movie, but I might be alone in that opinion.
Will look forward to season 2 breaking the internet.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 13, 2023 7:01:22 GMT
Yeah all the last few episodes were way way too short!! Except the Ellie one, I'd have liked that just removed and spent the episode fleshing out all the bits we missed with Joel and Ellie.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 13, 2023 8:56:33 GMT
Joel Wick.
It's been a while since I played that part of the game through, but the series definitely did it more elequently. Mostly because there wasn't a freaking flamethrower involved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 11:34:41 GMT
All the complaints I've seen online about the finale feeling "rushed" are puzzling, when to me it felt perfectly paced for the story they had left to tell. It just feels like people are conflating the short runtime with bad writing or something, I dunno.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 13, 2023 12:09:55 GMT
Leaving people wanting more is preferable at least. Thought the finale was great, didn't quite expect it to go with such a high kill count but Joel really was not messing about. Now millions of people are left to contemplate the choices made ten years after the original release and that's going to rumble on and on. Fabulous. |
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Post by rawshark on Mar 13, 2023 12:18:55 GMT
4.14 million viewers for the opening episode through Sky & Now. Think that might have beaten House of the Dragon's opener now.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 13, 2023 14:53:34 GMT
All the complaints I've seen online about the finale feeling "rushed" are puzzling, when to me it felt perfectly paced for the story they had left to tell. It just feels like people are conflating the short runtime with bad writing or something, I dunno. I feel like the whole show felt somewhat rushed, tbh. It delivers all the key moments but they don't fell as earned here, and none of them landed the way the game does for me. You could argue that it's because I know them beforehand but I've played the game through multiple times and the key moments still land stronger. Every scene seems to have more breathing room, more emotion, and there's much more of a sense of the relationship between Joel and Ellie forming that just doesn't exist in the show format. The fact that they added a scene to explain it in the final ep. makes that even more obvious. It's definitely a good show, and maybe if it's the only version you experience then it will convey enough of all the things, but I don't get the sense that it will spark the same discussions after that the game did for so long. They spent time expanding the narrative with things that were nice to see but ultimately didn't matter to the overall arc, and wasting an hour on Left Behind when it has no needed placement within the original narrative. |
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Post by pierrepressure on Mar 13, 2023 15:01:33 GMT
I think it was a little rushed but I think my opinion is skewed from the game, there are plenty of exchanges between characters during gameplay that I expect give it that drawn out feel.
My other half who doesn't play any games said it felt fine to her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 19:48:09 GMT
All the complaints I've seen online about the finale feeling "rushed" are puzzling, when to me it felt perfectly paced for the story they had left to tell. It just feels like people are conflating the short runtime with bad writing or something, I dunno. I feel like the whole show felt somewhat rushed, tbh. It delivers all the key moments but they don't fell as earned here, and none of them landed the way the game does for me. You could argue that it's because I know them beforehand but I've played the game through multiple times and the key moments still land stronger. Every scene seems to have more breathing room, more emotion, and there's much more of a sense of the relationship between Joel and Ellie forming that just doesn't exist in the show format. The fact that they added a scene to explain it in the final ep. makes that even more obvious. It's definitely a good show, and maybe if it's the only version you experience then it will convey enough of all the things, but I don't get the sense that it will spark the same discussions after that the game did for so long. They spent time expanding the narrative with things that were nice to see but ultimately didn't matter to the overall arc, and wasting an hour on Left Behind when it has no needed placement within the original narrative. I'm not saying the entire season is perfect - I actually agree Left Behind dragged in places when that time might've been better spent on the main storyline. I just didn't feel that pacing was an issue with the final episode. I get that having the game ingrained in your memory may effect your enjoyment of the show (to be clear I played both of them, plus the DLC, a couple of years ago) but many of the complaints about the finale stated that they had never touched the games, which is why I was surprised. Anyways opinions like arseholes etc |
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 13, 2023 20:27:33 GMT
It didn’t feel at all rushed to me. It felt like they just wanted to get on with the story with very little padding. The basic story to this point is a fairly simple one so I’d rather they got to it when they did instead of a few seasons of treading water.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 13, 2023 20:53:48 GMT
Yeah, to be fair I’m not sure what else they would have added. A stand alone ep for Ishmael would have been cool, but might have broken up the series’ momentum too much.
Sooo… more jokes from Ellie’s joke book?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 21:00:26 GMT
Yeah, they nailed the finale. It was great, no duds for me the whole run.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 13, 2023 21:10:29 GMT
Yeah, it all felt like an absolutely perfect length to me. No real fluff to be cut, and any longer would've been pointless.
The last two episodes definitely didn't need to be 90 minute monsters.
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Post by zephro on Mar 13, 2023 21:17:10 GMT
Yeah felt like a brilliant length to me, but I mostly get annoyed at shows waffling on like shaggy dog stories, or making a point of adding a sub plot to explain some bit of trivia in the wiki (I'm looking at you Star Trek and Wars).
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Post by rawshark on Mar 13, 2023 21:25:23 GMT
Andor was definitely a few episodes too long. Bit waffly.
The game was also pretty tight as games go. Same can’t be said for Part 2.
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Post by nazo on Mar 13, 2023 21:56:06 GMT
Was Joel such a dick in the game? Maybe it’s the difference between playing and watching but I remember him more as a ‘do whatever it takes’ type whereas I thought he came across as a cold-blooded monster in the last couple of episodes.
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Post by mrpon on Mar 13, 2023 22:21:42 GMT
That was great! Did a little woop when "they" turned up!
Now I need to play the remaster and start 2!
I know.
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Post by Danno on Mar 13, 2023 22:38:55 GMT
That nailed it. Especially "them"
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Post by Mark1412 on Mar 13, 2023 22:54:44 GMT
They nailed that like they nailed episode 1, 3 and 5 which were a cut above the rest. I didn't like 8 and felt criticism that it was rushed and didn't land like the game was fair, but this one came really close which is as good as it was going to get. Both actors at their best. Thought they handled Joel's violence really well, too.
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Post by Danno on Mar 13, 2023 23:06:15 GMT
Yeah that's a really, really good bit of telly. Glad it's worked as well as it has.
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Post by Mark1412 on Mar 13, 2023 23:18:03 GMT
Was Joel such a dick in the game? Maybe it’s the difference between playing and watching but I remember him more as a ‘do whatever it takes’ type whereas I thought he came across as a cold-blooded monster in the last couple of episodes. My take is this is purposeful with the future in mind. Also, he does rack up a 30+ bodycount in the hospital and executes a handful of people in cold blood! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 23:29:19 GMT
I've never played the second game and don't know when I will, not owning a Playstation (LoU and God of War are practically the only things I miss).
I played the original PS3 and the PS4 remaster, and I think playing the game did remove some of the impact, in some scenes. Two for me in the finale, one nice and one not so nice. I don't know how to spoiler so hope it's clear what I mean.
The nice moment in particular was a showstopper in the game for me and I didn't feel it the same here. It didn't seem to have the sense of wonder.
Nitpicks aside a great series, and I don't get the Left Behind hate. That to me equalled the Bill episode as a character piece.
Both leads were outstanding IMO and it was good to see Anna Torv back too years after I enjoyed Fringe.
I'll also be less quick to judge actors in future as it made me realise that the material plays a bigger part than I perhaps thought - Bella Ramsay was brilliant in this, and I thought a bit gash in GoT.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 14, 2023 0:35:27 GMT
Was Joel such a dick in the game? Maybe it’s the difference between playing and watching but I remember him more as a ‘do whatever it takes’ type whereas I thought he came across as a cold-blooded monster in the last couple of episodes. My take is this is purposeful with the future in mind. Also, he does rack up a 30+ bodycount in the hospital and executes a handful of people in cold blood! I'm not sure it's a completely accurate recreation of the hospital as Joel didn't use a flamethrower on Jerry. |
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Post by rawshark on Mar 14, 2023 9:39:29 GMT
In the early cut I saw "they" weren't finished yet, and had stock stills superimposed on the image, except for one scene where they didn't even do that and they were talking to a giant green sock puppet. |
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