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Post by cristar on Jun 24, 2024 15:06:31 GMT
I thought Radcliffe wanted to stop those pesky Europeans coming over here and taking British jobs. Bloody coming here and paying taxes here. Disgusting.
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Post by Syrette on Jun 25, 2024 20:02:17 GMT
And the women have been a top 5 side every year since they were in the WSL, and were close to winning the league a year ago. They are doing fine. The men just finished 8th lol. They might be doing fine, but it's wasn't a good look for Ratcliffe and pals (if you ask me) when they chose to go to a men's league game instead of watching the women win the FA Cup final.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 27, 2024 18:30:41 GMT
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Post by monkman5000 on Jun 27, 2024 21:52:18 GMT
P.S. But selling hotels to yourself is still fine 👍
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Post by muddyfunster on Jun 28, 2024 7:27:08 GMT
I heard a podcast this weekend with an expert and ex-lawyer who has been appointed by the government to do a report on regulation in football.
He said in his opinion, true player value was very hard to prove so clubs are practically incentivised to inflate values to what they feel they could 'get away with'. In reality he said you can likely get away with a quite a bit of inflation but there are limits. He felt that if a value obviously took the piss, the PL would be forced to act. This might just be the 'alright lads, don't make me come down there' warning shot to avoid it going further.
What would happen is that the transfers would stay the same on each club's accounts, it's just that for PSR purposes the PL would use the determined FMV rather than 'actual' transfer fee agreed by clubs. So although the club's own accounts may show less than the permitted loss for the period, they could still fail the PSR calculation.
He also said that the related party vote failed in part because some clubs felt forced to vote against as it was worded badly and would have unintended consequences making some legit business unworkable. Apparently it's being redrafted and will return to be voted on again in a new form. He said he thought it likely that the redrafted bill could pass. Let's hope so.
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Post by monkman5000 on Jun 28, 2024 8:13:39 GMT
It's complete bollocks isn't it. Selling for over market value is bad, but presumably selling for well under market value is not just good but also correct practice, given that the PL effectively told Forest they should have sold Brennan Johnson for £30m last June rather than for what turned out to be his actual market value of £47.5m in August.
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Post by simple on Jun 28, 2024 13:30:10 GMT
We’ve got a €40m bid from Lyon for a player called Yankuba Minteh who hasn’t played a single game for Newcastle.
That’ll help with the old FFP I’m sure. If he goes, which all the papers say he’s refusing to.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 28, 2024 13:36:23 GMT
That's ridiculous. How does that even make sense?
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Post by muddyfunster on Jun 28, 2024 13:39:52 GMT
Follow the money and it'll make sense I'm sure.
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Post by simple on Jun 28, 2024 13:58:15 GMT
Literally everything I know about him has been googled this morning.
Bought from a Danish club for peanuts, immediately loaned to Feyenoord and now instead of joining our first team we’re flogging him for a wedge to Lyon.
Half our first team didn’t cost €40m when we bought them so its essentially a classic bit of shady Chelsea-style player farming.
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Post by monkman5000 on Jun 28, 2024 14:31:55 GMT
That's extra weird, because it looks like Lyon are also solving Forest's PSR issues by paying around £20m (reports vary) for Moussa Niakhate, who has played for us but isn't a first choice. Having also signed Orel Mangala (on loan in January but due to become permanent in the next few days) for more than we were expecting. Not as odd as the Newcastle player, but odd that it's the same club buying at let's say generous prices. What are Lyon up to?
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Post by DJCopa on Jun 28, 2024 14:38:57 GMT
I tweeted the Stefan chap yesterday (he does football finances on TalkShite, I believe) as he's been quite on the ball with everything PSR-related with us (Forest) and others.
Lyon are apparently skint BUT also a listed company so would be VERY odd for them to do anything 'non-vanilla (his words).
It is all a little perfect for Forset, but hoping it is just that and nothing dodge.
edit - Lyon were after Werst Ham's Nayef Aguerd, but too much so went for our Niakhate instead. I had read the Newcastle Minteh transfer wasn't happening now, but who knows.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 28, 2024 14:40:49 GMT
That's extra weird, because it looks like Lyon are also solving Forest's PSR issues by paying around £20m (reports vary) for Moussa Niakhate, who has played for us but isn't a first choice. Having also signed Orel Mangala (on loan in January but due to become permanent in the next few days) for more than we were expecting. Not as odd as the Newcastle player, but odd that it's the same club buying at let's say generous prices. What are Lyon up to? It's John Textor's latest plaything - he had a run in with the French authorities around spending when he took over last year.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 28, 2024 14:41:13 GMT
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 29, 2024 11:17:25 GMT
“They need to be careful that the top 6 clubs are not disadvantaged because they don't get a reasonably strong say in that committee, because at the end of the day it’s those 6 or 7 clubs that drive the Premiership, that’s what the world is interested in.”
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Post by Syrette on Jun 29, 2024 15:18:41 GMT
This really isn't a good look for the Premier League.
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Post by Frog on Jun 29, 2024 18:47:30 GMT
Unfortunately he is a bit of a cunt and always has been.
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Post by deez on Jun 29, 2024 18:51:42 GMT
We’ve got a €40m bid from Lyon for a player called Yankuba Minteh who hasn’t played a single game for Newcastle. That’ll help with the old FFP I’m sure. If he goes, which all the papers say he’s refusing to. £33m from Brighton bid it seems. We are in the odd position of being particularly keen to spend before 1/6 due to rosy accounts!
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Post by baihu1983 on Jul 1, 2024 12:23:15 GMT
Looks like Spurs have signed Archie Grey on a 6 year deal. Lucas Bergvall officially joins the club today as well.
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Post by RobEG on Jul 1, 2024 12:44:12 GMT
Not seen much of him but I guess he's a really good prospect. I guess Zom can fill us in.
Quite excited about Bergvall, looks really talented, just hope he can adapt to the PL. I'm sure he'll do well under Ange.
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Post by A46Matt on Jul 1, 2024 13:12:05 GMT
Not seen much of him but I guess he's a really good prospect. I guess Zom can fill us in. Quite excited about Bergvall, looks really talented, just hope he can adapt to the PL. I'm sure he'll do well under Ange. Really hope we give Bergvall a decent chance, looks to be a very exciting talent.
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Post by Zomoniac on Jul 1, 2024 14:16:30 GMT
Not seen much of him but I guess he's a really good prospect. I guess Zom can fill us in. He’s got the potential to be a world beater. Fans are incensed that he’s been sold. Bielsa had him on the bench in PL games when he was 15. Obviously he doesn’t have top level experience, but his one game against PL opposition was the League Cup against Chelsea last season, where he was in the middle against Caicedo and Fernandez and leaving them for dead repeatedly.
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Post by RobEG on Jul 1, 2024 14:20:01 GMT
Sounds like he'll do well under Ange then. Sorry for your loss
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Post by baihu1983 on Jul 1, 2024 14:31:14 GMT
You get to keep Rodon though.
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Post by Zomoniac on Jul 1, 2024 15:26:13 GMT
You get to keep Rodon though. He was great last season, glad we get to keep him, just wish it was under better circumstances. As Harry Winks showed last season, being not quite good enough for Spurs doesn’t mean you can’t be more than good enough to win the Championship.
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Post by RobEG on Jul 1, 2024 16:10:12 GMT
Rodon is decent, just never really got a chance for us.
I also still think Winks could have been a decent player for us. He just lost his confidence and once the fans turned on him he was never going to recover. Definitely good enough for a mid table PL team though.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jul 1, 2024 17:56:53 GMT
Winks had some good and at times great moments. But always looked too small and easily knocked off the ball. Also fell into the just pass left or right trap so many do.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jul 4, 2024 8:59:06 GMT
I know it's fairly standard business practice, but the extent of the Man Utd staff layoffs is pretty gross.
This isn't specifically a dig at ManU, any 'safe' Premier League club that cuts low wage staff looks horrendous. Felt the same when it was us with the Gunnersaurus guy and others.
When you routinely gamble millions on transfer fees, agent fees and wages for mediocre players as top clubs do, you can't credibly claim that it's junior office staff and people in the club shop and web team that are inefficient.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jul 4, 2024 9:22:57 GMT
We're a Tory club now. That's the reality. I have no doubt that of 1000+ employees there were probably some redundant roles but it's typical "punish the many for the failings of a few" stuff.
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Post by simple on Jul 4, 2024 10:17:08 GMT
Its crazy to let go of 250 normal staff when one Martial or Mount would probably account for an enormous percentage of that in wages alone.
Its always gross when clubs try and make these “savings”, both the human cost and the way its chicken feed compared to what they spunk away on agent fees and backhanders to players families.
Not just United but every club.
Same for the way some women’s teams are being treated with wages falling and one club dropping from the second to fifth tier because they’ve had their professional status removed by the parent club.
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