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Post by mikew1985 on Jun 20, 2024 9:15:12 GMT
Is the objection that the owners have given themselves mate’s rates on the transfer fee? Bit unfair of them to single United out when its literally how some clubs do basically all their business. Unless those other clubs have fiddled the paperwork by having each club owned by a different relative/shell company and UEFA are pretending not to know what they’re doing. You would imagine that due diligence was done re all that by Ineos such that they wouldn't have expected the issue. Anyway, I don't know but surely removes a huge amount of the advantage of multi club ownership. I wouldn't particularly mind this approach being taken if it is the standard for all such scenarios moving forward.
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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 20, 2024 9:53:34 GMT
Ex Spurs player Nabil Bentaleb rushed to hospital. Seen some reports saying due to a heart attack.
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Post by muddyfunster on Jun 20, 2024 9:58:32 GMT
Guess I'm perhaps too far removed but I think Cooper's a good manager. There really seems to be a dearth of options at the moment and in that context he seems like a sound appointment.
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Post by DJCopa on Jun 20, 2024 10:04:39 GMT
I love Cooper, but can appreciate he gets a lot of goodwill from Forest just for the manner of our promotion season, and then keeping us up - That won't necessarily cut it with any other fans.
He's a decent chap, quality coach and looks to build harmony in the squad (most of the time...still feel for Joe Worrall).
Will be interesting what he can do with a settled squad, albeit with PSR looming - Wish him well, but also not with direct competitor to us.
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Post by monkman5000 on Jun 20, 2024 10:07:12 GMT
His career record is pretty good, and he's the sort of guy you want in a firefight, which Leicester will likely be in with the looming points deduction.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 20, 2024 15:41:44 GMT
Ooof.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 20, 2024 15:43:27 GMT
I thought Cooper was a good appointment personally.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 20, 2024 18:40:50 GMT
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Post by deez on Jun 20, 2024 20:06:06 GMT
Is the objection that the owners have given themselves mate’s rates on the transfer fee? Bit unfair of them to single United out when its literally how some clubs do basically all their business. Unless those other clubs have fiddled the paperwork by having each club owned by a different relative/shell company and UEFA are pretending not to know what they’re doing. You would imagine that due diligence was done re all that by Ineos such that they wouldn't have expected the issue. Anyway, I don't know but surely removes a huge amount of the advantage of multi club ownership. I wouldn't particularly mind this approach being taken if it is the standard for all such scenarios moving forward. If man utd had no idea this would be blocked it truly is incompetence of the highest order. And this has been the standard for a while. They are both competing in the same competition. That's why the rule doesn't apply to other clubs where Europe isn't a relevant issue. It's also why Brighton can't and haven't done business with USG for a while, so frankly, fuck united if they thought they could ignore the rules.
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Post by Zomoniac on Jun 20, 2024 20:37:58 GMT
If man utd had no idea this would be blocked it truly is incompetence of the highest order. And this has been the standard for a while. They are both competing in the same competition. That's why the rule doesn't apply to other clubs where Europe isn't a relevant issue. It's also why Brighton can't and haven't done business with USG for a while, so frankly, fuck united if they thought they could ignore the rules. Whilst not wishing to speak in favour of Man Utd or downplay their incompetence cos I find it amusing, Leipzig and Salzburg have both been playing in the CL for years, using the convenient loophole of “RasenBallsport abbreviating to RB is purely a coincidence, just like those red bulls all over the kit”. It doesn’t seem a particularly hard rule to get around.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 20, 2024 20:48:18 GMT
You would imagine that due diligence was done re all that by Ineos such that they wouldn't have expected the issue. Anyway, I don't know but surely removes a huge amount of the advantage of multi club ownership. I wouldn't particularly mind this approach being taken if it is the standard for all such scenarios moving forward. If man utd had no idea this would be blocked it truly is incompetence of the highest order. And this has been the standard for a while. They are both competing in the same competition. That's why the rule doesn't apply to other clubs where Europe isn't a relevant issue. It's also why Brighton can't and haven't done business with USG for a while, so frankly, fuck united if they thought they could ignore the rules. Sorry to burst your anger, but the issue isn't us breaking the rules it's the rules being actually followed when we want to do something but not when city or Redbull do it...because? Money.
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Post by deez on Jun 20, 2024 21:04:52 GMT
If man utd had no idea this would be blocked it truly is incompetence of the highest order. And this has been the standard for a while. They are both competing in the same competition. That's why the rule doesn't apply to other clubs where Europe isn't a relevant issue. It's also why Brighton can't and haven't done business with USG for a while, so frankly, fuck united if they thought they could ignore the rules. Sorry to burst your anger, but the issue isn't us breaking the rules it's the rules being actually followed when we want to do something but not when city or Redbull do it...because? Money. Oh no don't worry I'm equally annoyed if they've been getting away with it. I don't think City break this rule though - AFAIK they other clubs they own aren't anywhere near competing at champs league level?. No idea re the RB teams though.
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Post by Zomoniac on Jun 20, 2024 21:08:58 GMT
That was true till Girona just finished 3rd in La Liga. In theory they shouldn’t be allowed to compete in next season’s CL if City are in it. They will be.
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Post by Syrette on Jun 20, 2024 22:37:04 GMT
If man utd had no idea this would be blocked it truly is incompetence of the highest order. And this has been the standard for a while. They are both competing in the same competition. That's why the rule doesn't apply to other clubs where Europe isn't a relevant issue. It's also why Brighton can't and haven't done business with USG for a while, so frankly, fuck united if they thought they could ignore the rules. Sorry to burst your Anger, but the issue isn't us breaking the rules it's the rules being actually followed when we want to do something but not when city or Redbull do it...because? Money. You're doing the making Man Utd out to be paupers thing again.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 21, 2024 6:38:05 GMT
Sorry to burst your Anger, but the issue isn't us breaking the rules it's the rules being actually followed when we want to do something but not when city or Redbull do it...because? Money. You're doing the making Man Utd out to be paupers thing again. It's all relative, compared to the clubs I mentioned plus others we are.
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Post by simple on Jun 21, 2024 6:49:52 GMT
I don’t think the issue is whether United’s massive commercial revenue can match City’s enormous oil funds or Red Bull’s huge pop warchest. Its that United are seemingly being pulled for something that has been common practice for years across multiple club groups.
Maybe Chelsea got pulled up for it once (I think?) but once the RB set up was established that was basically it.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 21, 2024 7:34:52 GMT
Multi club ownership is total bullshit anyway so I don't feel too bad or sorry for us that we're being pulled up on it. Only issue is it's far too easy to loophole your way through it like City have using creative loans to have players they can then pluck away when needed.
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Post by deez on Jun 21, 2024 8:28:09 GMT
I don't think it's against the rules for city though as they aren't in a competition with their other teams?
Brighton were only stopped loaning with USG once we were both in the Europa, and that ends in September as we aren't next season.
Hence man u / Nice isn't allowed
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 21, 2024 8:29:10 GMT
Multi club ownership is total bullshit anyway so I don't feel too bad or sorry for us that we're being pulled up on it. Only issue is it's far too easy to loophole your way through it like City have using creative loans to have players they can then pluck away when needed. Exactly, I have no problems with the rules, just implement it fairly and consistently. It seems beyond football in general to do this.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 21, 2024 8:30:29 GMT
I don't think it's against the rules for city though as they aren't in a competition with their other teams? Brighton were only stopped loaning with USG once we were both in the Europa, and that ends in September as we aren't next season. Hence man u / Nice isn't allowed As said before, City and Girona. Both in the Champions league.
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Post by deez on Jun 21, 2024 8:31:41 GMT
I don't think it's against the rules for city though as they aren't in a competition with their other teams? Brighton were only stopped loaning with USG once we were both in the Europa, and that ends in September as we aren't next season. Hence man u / Nice isn't allowed As said before, City and Girona. Both in the Champions league. Sure but city aren't attempting to loan/buy any of their players (AFAIK)
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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2024 8:44:19 GMT
And I am sure they are clever enough to wait until Girona are not in the CL, if there was a player they wanted.
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Post by askew on Jun 21, 2024 8:53:32 GMT
The player would go be sold to another “friendly” team and then loaned.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2024 9:50:46 GMT
True enough
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 21, 2024 10:51:48 GMT
The City situation is they have a player signed to Troyes, who they then loaned to Girona and are now free to buy said player from Troyes as they aren't technically in 'competition'. Said player has literally never played for Troyes and was planted there in name only purely for this eventuality.
It's shady as fuck and no club doing it should be condoned for it.
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Post by mikew1985 on Jun 21, 2024 11:09:53 GMT
Sorry to burst your anger, but the issue isn't us breaking the rules it's the rules being actually followed when we want to do something but not when city or Redbull do it...because? Money. Oh no don't worry I'm equally annoyed if they've been getting away with it. I don't think City break this rule though - AFAIK they other clubs they own aren't anywhere near competing at champs league level?. No idea re the RB teams though. Girona are in the champions league and I think they've bought a player from them this summer. I truly don't get it. Edit: I see Solid's post on it there. Fuck me, obviously super shady and ridiculous.
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Post by simple on Jun 21, 2024 12:00:49 GMT
I do like that someone has added a section on the Vitesse Arnhem wikipedia page about them being a springboard for future talent without acknowledging that basically everyone listed was farmed out from Chelsea
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Post by cristar on Jun 21, 2024 13:21:22 GMT
The City thing is actually disgusting. Since they bought over Troyes they have just been relegated twice on the bounce. They are literally just fucking about with a football club which has supporters, people who care about the club.
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Post by Zomoniac on Jun 21, 2024 19:47:40 GMT
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Post by jono62 on Jun 22, 2024 11:25:56 GMT
Good luck Tim. Good player.
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