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Post by geefe on Oct 28, 2022 8:06:37 GMT
Can only hope that it becomes so shit it loses all value. At some point, a big company will rethink their use of twitter and it's only a matter of time before some startup basically does Twitter again and people migrate.
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Post by Vandelay on Oct 28, 2022 8:07:03 GMT
I'm fine with the takeover as long as Musk's moderation team only ban users for illegal activity, and nothing else. I agree with what others have said on the broader point (that those spreading false information, especially dangerous information should be deplatformed from social media - including lying about election results), I also think it is worth saying on this particular point that "illegal activity" is not as simple to define as you make out here. Here in the UK, we do have laws against what you can and can't say. The US is much more "free" with its free speech laws. For example, Westbro Baptist Church (the church that pickets military funerals with anti-LGBTQ and racist slogans), have had court rulings in the US overturned in their favour as their protests are considered protected speech. Here in the UK though, they have been banned entry as their protests would be considered to use hate speech. I'm sure there are other countries where other speech would be considered illegal, whereas here in the UK it would be fine. Presumably if we are following rules of everything fine as long as it isn't illegal, Twitter would be just following what would be illegal in the US (so, basically nothing).
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Post by askew on Oct 28, 2022 8:13:30 GMT
Time to domain-squat twatter.com
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Post by retro74 on Oct 28, 2022 8:13:32 GMT
I love Twitter, it’s brilliant
Hopefully it won’t change under the Cunt’s ownership
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Post by cubby on Oct 28, 2022 9:34:44 GMT
I've made my views on twitter several times here so I won't rehash. But I do hope this brings both Musk and twitter down.
And then out of the rubble Tom returns.
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Post by geefe on Oct 28, 2022 9:39:24 GMT
I've made my views on twitter several times here so I won't rehash. But I do hope this brings both Musk and twitter down. And then out of the rubble Tom returns. I still remember Tom being a welcoming face on Myspace.
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Post by nazo on Oct 28, 2022 10:30:28 GMT
Can only hope that it becomes so shit it loses all value. At some point, a big company will rethink their use of twitter and it's only a matter of time before some startup basically does Twitter again and people migrate. We've already mastered forums, time for FontTweet.
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Post by sport✅ on Oct 28, 2022 10:41:49 GMT
At some point, a big company will rethink their use of twitter and it's only a matter of time before some startup basically does Twitter again and people migrate. We've already mastered forums, time for FontTweet. TweetGeek
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Post by aubergine on Oct 28, 2022 11:14:42 GMT
I've made my views on twitter several times here so I won't rehash. But I do hope this brings both Musk and twitter down. And then out of the rubble Tom returns. I still remember Tom being a welcoming face on Myspace. I remember Tom sold MySpace for 500 million. By the time MuskSpace is finished Tom could probably buy Twitter for 500 million.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 28, 2022 12:51:38 GMT
I love Twitter, it’s brilliant Hopefully it won’t change under the Cunt’s ownership Well, Bloomberg has said that he plans to reverse lifetime bans. Which will make Parler worth about 3p.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 28, 2022 13:24:06 GMT
My feeling is that he will begin with an ironclad commitment to free speech on the platform. But he will eventually realise that the burning trash fire that ensues will probably need some cultivation, to prevent a mass exodus and loss of revenue.
You know, it's actually a pretty similar process to the one that literally every major social media company has gone through. Including Twitter.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 28, 2022 13:28:00 GMT
Also, Tesla has strong links with China. So it will be interesting to see what the Chinese government thinks about a free speech warrior that also wants to do business with them.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2022 13:33:41 GMT
Except he's not really a free speech warrior.
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Post by geefe on Oct 28, 2022 13:34:23 GMT
I can imagine there'll be a lot of
"No, not that sort of free speech. Yay for communism"
I predict a lot of whataboutery and mental gymnastics, to just say he only wants money and it's a vanity project
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Post by X201 on Oct 28, 2022 13:34:53 GMT
I predict the Twitter management buying-it back in a couple of years time for a fraction of the price.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 28, 2022 13:36:48 GMT
Except he's not really a free speech warrior. I know! But he's trying to present as one, and that's going to be tough if the CCP are asking him to take down "Democracy for Hong Kong!" tweets.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Oct 28, 2022 13:39:28 GMT
Man, if Twitter does go down, it's going to be absolutely delicious to watch.
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Post by dogbot on Oct 28, 2022 13:40:00 GMT
That'd be funny, but you can bet your life it'd be the people who have loaned the money and the leveraging that'll take the brunt.
I suspect that between the current recession and the other car manufacturers catching up with the battery tech (and that's already been happening, the new Porsches and Mercs apparently rival/beat the Teslas and are far superior as vehicles) that the value of that stock will plummet from its currently massively inflated value (which is all based on market possibilities and not on concrete things like car sales) and he'll be keen to sell off any assets he can so that he can continute to appear to be incredibly rich. I wonder how much actual cash he has, rather than notional stock value?
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Post by geefe on Oct 28, 2022 13:45:22 GMT
This is something I've wondered - how much does Tesla actually SELL?
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Post by dogbot on Oct 28, 2022 13:55:29 GMT
According to SMMT, they have a 2% market share in the UK for 2022.
For example, BMW have 6.59%, Kia have 6.88%. They were also outsold by brands such as MG, Mini and Skoda.
So comparatively not that many, but they don't sell ICE vehicles so they're going to sell less anyway. I think their star is probably at its apex and it may stay there for now, but their build quality and no longer being the only game in town (plus, being used as the stock plaything of a nutjob) isn't going to help them. I imagine they won't be so hugely valued in say, 5 years - although I'm not an expert on these things.
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Worldwide figures are a bit harder to accurately get hold of, but Tesla claim they delivered 343,000 new vehicles worldwide in Q3 2022. Comparatively, Mercedes (who he likes to think are his closest competitors) delivered 517,800 and BMW (who are the market leader in that sector) 587,795.
It's worth noting that the vast majority of those numbers will not be sales, but leases, too. Most of the vehicles of other manufacturers have better resale values as 2nd hand Teslas aren't nearly so highly prized as some other marques.
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Post by Leolian'sBro on Oct 28, 2022 14:07:29 GMT
Tesla is, financially, a cash-burning hellscape paid for by investors and the US Govt (and I’m sure other less salubrious parties) paying in capital to keep it solvent while it works through its endless R&D and manufacturing set up phase. The share price is a textbook bubble too, and the whole thing looks primed to fail unless they can dramatically ramp up production, something that has been promised for years and never delivered.
Oh, and Elon Musk fired the Twitter executive who banned Trump. Free speech my ballsack, hate speech is more like it.
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Post by technoish on Oct 28, 2022 14:20:55 GMT
All (well most) the value in Tesla is supposed to be in the self driving tech. Not the cars themselves. I have US relocated friend who rattles on about self driving being the bees knees / the future. I just don't see it hardly working on UK roads. And anyway, car centric cities and design really need to disappear. US cities are awful.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2022 14:30:07 GMT
I don't really trust the AI in Tesla's cars, given how much Musk trends to hype things up it's hard not to imagine them as death traps waiting to happen
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Post by cubby on Oct 28, 2022 14:44:31 GMT
All (well most) the value in Tesla is supposed to be in the self driving tech. Not the cars themselves. I have US relocated friend who rattles on about self driving being the bees knees / the future. I just don't see it hardly working on UK roads. And anyway, car centric cities and design really need to disappear. US cities are awful. Except their self driving tech has become worse over time, not better. They've removed radars from their cars, and disabled the radars of cars that were in people's cars that already had them. So they've reduced the capability of cars that people have already paid for.
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Post by geefe on Oct 28, 2022 14:47:44 GMT
Self driving cars is not something the world is ready for, at all. I can see there being a lane for self driving lorries on motorways, where ONLY that lane is used but that's a faff.
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Post by cubby on Oct 28, 2022 14:50:50 GMT
Yeah I agree, the technology barely works on motorways, where the rules are more straightforward, but there's too many variables on a normal road.
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Post by sport✅ on Oct 28, 2022 15:09:25 GMT
We wouldn't have these problems if we had hyperloops.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Oct 28, 2022 15:13:51 GMT
I would love to see self driving cars, and a shift away from personal car ownership. Can't see that happening in my lifetime though, and certainly not in the US.
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Post by jimnastics on Oct 28, 2022 15:54:11 GMT
Never looked into it before but surely there are Twitter readers (be it software or website) which can pull in feeds from the api for you to read in your own environment, rather than have to go the Twitter itself and be forcefed the shite on there? Or do they block that kind of thing? There are sadly a handful of accounts who I would like to follow who only post on Twitter (mainly gaming and crypto).
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Post by Fake_Blood on Oct 28, 2022 16:03:46 GMT
I don't know if it's a setting, but I only see tweets from people I follow. I think some people just look at what's trending and then get annoyed by what random idiots are saying?
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