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Post by Snake on Dec 13, 2023 14:18:31 GMT
No mention of this yet? www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-67693935Isn't that like a significant percentage of all Teslas? Surely this will damage the stock value somewhat? Edit: Nevermind, a "virtual" recall apparently |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 13, 2023 16:15:32 GMT
"NHTSA reviewed 956 crashes where Autopilot was initially alleged to have been in use."
I'm not sure what the expected accident stats for 2M cars in 8 years would be, but almost 1k crashes while Autopilot was in use seems pretty high.
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Post by Vortex on Dec 13, 2023 16:21:34 GMT
Wow, all those eejits who trust Elmo.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 13, 2023 16:33:28 GMT
Im surprised its that high. I thought it was set to disengage a split second before a crash to allow tesla to deny responsibility.
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Post by askew on Dec 13, 2023 17:22:02 GMT
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Post by Duffking on Dec 13, 2023 17:28:42 GMT
Im surprised its that high. I thought it was set to disengage a split second before a crash to allow tesla to deny responsibility. I suppose that's why it's "alleged to have been in use".
I think a big drawback of auto drive stuff is always going to be that there isn't going to be a world anytime soon where *everything* is autodrive. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of these accidents are technically not the autodrive system's fault, but simply an inability to improvise to react to the poor decisions of another driver like most drivers are naturally able to.
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Post by Tuffty on Dec 13, 2023 18:13:47 GMT
Good time to repost the tweet of the Tesla's auto drive failing multiple times in one journey which could have easily lead to an accident.
Maybe the Tesla self-driving AI is more advanced than we think and it detects that the car contains nothing but Teslabros at which point it decides the optimal route would be straight into another vehicle
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Post by elstoof on Dec 13, 2023 18:36:45 GMT
I got in my car this afternoon and it flashed a warning on the dash that my bonnet wasn’t closed properly, which was weird because I haven’t opened the bonnet in years. Anyway it went away, seems to be a common fault with BMWs as they get older. I was just glad that there wasn’t a single line of cat5 passing through the bonnet sensor to something critical like you’d have on a cybertruck
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Post by sportâś… on Dec 13, 2023 19:00:07 GMT
I got in my car this afternoon and it flashed a warning on the dash that my bonnet wasn’t closed properly, which was weird because I haven’t opened the bonnet in years. Anyway it went away, seems to be a common fault with BMWs as they get older. I was just glad that there wasn’t a single line of cat5 passing through the bonnet sensor to something critical like you’d have on a cybertruck Could've been someone else opened the bonnet and planted a bomb that arms after 50mph /o\ |
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Post by elstoof on Dec 13, 2023 19:14:47 GMT
Lucky for my I drive at a steady 49mph at all times in the middle lane of the motorway
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Post by skalpadda on Dec 13, 2023 19:17:37 GMT
The Tesla mechanics strike here in Sweden keeps bringing a steady trickle of fun news.
"The Transport Union's Christmas Present to Elon Musk: Blockades all waste handling" "What we're giving notice of now is that we're blocking all kinds of waste handling [at Tesla's service centres]. We're giving notice today and it will take action on Christmas Eve, says Transport chairman Tommy Wreeth."
A few of the events and highlights so far (roughly chronologically, but I'm going mostly off memory):
* The Swedish union IF Metall has been trying to get a collective bargaining agreement in place with Tesla to cover their mechanics since they established themselves here. Tesla has, as you might expect, refused to even negotiate. After 5 years of this IF Metall finally gets fed up and gives notice of a strike for their members at Tesla, starting October 17th. This is a small strike; Tesla only has about 120 mechanics here and not all service centres are initially included, so nobody is expecting anything dramatic.
* Almost immediately Tesla very demonstrably brings in scabs to several workshops. This is not illegal, but there was an agreement reached in the 1930s between unions and the employer's association that strike breaking is just not something you do in Sweden. In a stroke this had instantly gone from a minor conflict to all Swedish unions being royally pissed off and seeing this as an affront and an existential challenge to the Swedish labour model.
* An attempt to start negotiations with a government appointed mediator is made. Tesla again refuses to even negotiate.
* As an aside, international reporting on this is amusing. Almost all US reporting is talking about Swedish Tesla workers "wanting to unionize" which is nonsense. Creating or joining a union is constitutionally protected and there's absolutely nothing a company can do to stop that. Swedish unions also cover entire sectors of industry rather than individual workplaces, so you don't "unionize a workplace", you just join a union. Hearing about the concept of sympathy action by multiple unions seems to make Americans' heads explode.
* IF Metall and several sister unions announce sympathy strike actions. Workers for the Transport, Building Maintenance Workers, and Harbour Worker's unions will cease doing some or all work related to Tesla.
* A few days later the Service and Communication union announces sympathy action. Postal workers will no longer deliver mail or packages to Tesla, which is a problem since the Transport Agency only sends out license plates via the postal service.
* IF Metall raises the compensation for those on strike at Tesla from 100% to 130% of their salary to compensate for lost vacation pay and pension payments. When asked if this isn't very expensive they point out that their strike fund would last for 500 years.
* Over the next week more unions announce sympathy strikes. Car painters, builders, electricians and others place blockades against work for Tesla in Sweden. Even the Musician's Union gets in on the action.
* Tesla sues both the Swedish Transport Agency and the postal service Postnord, trying to force them to deliver licence plates. The district court handling the suit against the Transport Agency makes an extremely quick interim decision the same day and orders the Transport Agency to arrange for license plates to be delivered directly to Tesla from the manufacturer until the case is heard in court. This is hailed as a major victory by Tesla, but the Transport Agency requests inhibition of the interim decision at the appellate court on account of the district court not even letting them reply to any of Tesla's claims.
* The district court handling the Postnord case decides against Tesla. A company can't force its workers to break a strike and the company isn't liable for not delivering packages due to strike actions. Force majeure, bitches.
* The appellate court decides in favour of the Transport Agency and delivers a not so subtle smackdown of the district court's reasoning for the interim decision.
* A message is sent to the government from an unidentified Tesla lobbyist, trying to arrange "an audience" with the minister for labour. It's hilariously badly written and addresses the minister as if he was medieval royalty. Our current government are a right bunch of bastards, but not even they are stupid enough to try to interfere directly with this mess.
* During the first week of December several unions in Denmark, then Norway and Finland announce sympathy strikes against Tesla's Swedish business. Danish and Norwegian unions are also hinting at the idea of demanding collective bargaining with Tesla for their own members.
Well, that turned out longer than I thought. It's a mess. A funny mess sometimes, but it's hard to see how it can resolved to anyone's satisfaction. The unions are extremely unlikely to back down and there's likely more coming. It'll get really interesting if some of the bigger service sector unions decide to join in. On the other side Elon is a ghoul with a rabid hateboner for worker's rights and Tesla is likely scared that other European and maybe even American unions will smell blood if Tesla gives in here.
Either Tesla finds some workarounds and continues to limp along while being treated as a pariah, or they leave the country. An alternative would be to do what Amazon did and start a separate company so it's technically not Tesla itself that has to negotiate a CBA, but at this point I doubt they could accept even that compromise.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 14, 2023 2:23:54 GMT
Being Elon, I imagine he'll quit Sweden in a strop and then claim it's some kind of stance against the evils of communism.
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Post by skalpadda on Dec 14, 2023 8:08:20 GMT
It's funny considering relations between unions and employers are unusually peaceful here and strikes and other conflict actions are much rarer than in the rest of Europe. The central idea is that it's impossible to write sweeping legislation that suits all industries and employers and employees are more competent than the government in finding compromises that work. Both employer organisations and unions tend to be very protective of "the Swedish model", so politicians on both sides of the aisle tend to stay away from regulation and don't get involved in conflicts other than to appoint independent mediators.
So it's far less centralised and arguably more liberal than for example the US, but of course it means unions have to be empowered to act and CBAs become really important. A large company refusing to even negociate is anathema. The last time this happened was when Toys R Us established themselves here in the 90s and it went so far that even the Finance union started sympathy action and bank workers refused to process payments before they caved and negotiated a CBA.
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Post by nazo on Dec 18, 2023 13:29:46 GMT
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Post by otto on Dec 18, 2023 13:46:23 GMT
There are days when I feel just great about my career choices
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 18, 2023 13:50:49 GMT
I'm sounding like a broken record at this point, but the fact that the EU announces it via Twitter still strikes me as so weird.
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Post by geefe on Dec 18, 2023 13:53:03 GMT
Nah. Makes it funny.
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Post by geefe on Dec 18, 2023 13:54:23 GMT
Eurgh, the writer of the article wrote
Hamas's.
WHO THE FUCK SUB EDITED THAT?
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Post by otto on Dec 18, 2023 13:58:56 GMT
I'm sounding like a broken record at this point, but the fact that the EU announces it via Twitter still strikes me as so weird. It didn't announce it via Twitter. It announced it via press release as usual. But it also used social media platforms (Twitter but also all the others) to share the information. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Dec 18, 2023 14:26:32 GMT
Fair enough. I'm not on any of them so I wouldn't see it. And I don't keep up with EU press releases anymore.
Twitter is the one that all the journalists seem to use though, so that's the one that gets embedded everywhere.
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Post by nazo on Dec 18, 2023 14:41:58 GMT
Do any of the others even support embedding? I’ve never seen anything except Twitter.
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Post by otto on Dec 18, 2023 15:05:33 GMT
I don't think so, at least not yet, which is annoying.
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 18, 2023 15:16:54 GMT
It's the forum software rather than the social media platform, I've seen Threads post embedded elsewhere, only time I've ever seen them because there's very little chance I'll ever use it unless Zuckerberg fucks off.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 18, 2023 16:21:05 GMT
John Oliver has his show all about Elon today so I'll be watching then when I get home.
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Post by skalpadda on Dec 20, 2023 11:06:41 GMT
Some Tesla employment contracts leaked to the Swedish press and they're, uh, special. Some snippets from an article in the Swedish newspaper DN: Things like non-compete and confidentiality clauses aren't uncommon, but these are contracts for technicians/mechanics. Even if it was for R&D jobs or something else that's actually sensitive they're insanely broad and far reaching. Likewise, a company can have the immaterial rights to things you create or invent while employed if it's related to your job, but you can't just say "we own everything", and the employee has a legal right to fair compensation that can't just be signed away like this. For reference, the last empoyment contract I signed was 3 pages long.
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Post by JonFE on Dec 20, 2023 13:47:24 GMT
skalpadda At least they state " immaterial", it's not like they own your unborn children, is it? 
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Post by manfromdelmonte on Dec 21, 2023 6:41:14 GMT
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 21, 2023 6:42:25 GMT
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Post by Dougs on Dec 21, 2023 7:22:28 GMT
Did that really need a whole news article, BBC?
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Post by deez on Dec 21, 2023 7:35:54 GMT
Did that really need a whole news article, BBC? Maybe they would have normally posted a tweet instead. |
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