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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 7, 2023 8:27:53 GMT
I killed the little thing a minute ago, she’s still shooting. I’ve rarely seen her this angry.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Sept 7, 2023 8:31:24 GMT
I like how gravity levels differ on planets, which then affects how much you can bound about and how quickly your stamina depleted and recovers.
Plus aiming for backpacks on low gravity planets and watching hapless chumps rocket into orbit like Saturn V never gets old.
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Post by UncleLou on Sept 7, 2023 8:32:39 GMT
Sarah told me, landing in New Atlantis, that this planet might have a breathable atmosphere.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 7, 2023 8:33:24 GMT
Only a couple of hours (if that) into it and I seem to have the same complaints as everybody else. Utterly baffling ship acquisition story beat, rubbish pacing and people joining your party at the drop of a hat don't really sell it to you. I can see the promise of a great game under it all, but it just doesn't have the "I wonder if there's anything cool in that cave over there" appeal of ES/Fallout yet.
Nicking the space suit in the HQ basement before it gets patched was fun.
It doesn't feel like an especially nice 30fps game to play either. I guess I'll get used to it though.
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Post by Frog on Sept 7, 2023 8:42:11 GMT
There is no such thing as a nice 30fps game, especially first person ones though.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 7, 2023 8:52:35 GMT
Is everybody playing third or first person? Yes we are all playing first or 3rd.... I'm playing in first.
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Post by dfunked on Sept 7, 2023 8:53:06 GMT
Yeah, it's not nice in any kind of shooter, but can be OK in other games even when there's an option for performance mode. FH5 worked surprisingly well for example, and FFXVI is absolutely fine when you get used to it.
This is just a jarring mess so far and combat feels a bit rubbish as a result. I might move to PC instead, but it's just too fucking hot to have that mini space heater pumping away this week.
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 7, 2023 8:54:40 GMT
I got so annoyed by the lack of proper ultrawide support, I've opted to play at 2k 60fps on my laptop instead. At least I can plug that into the TV if the mood takes me.
They've been working on this for years and yet somehow it's still been released lacking pretty standard features like ultrawide and HDR that doesn't look like dogshit.
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Post by hedben on Sept 7, 2023 8:58:17 GMT
I'd like a mode that does first person for combat and exploration, and automatically switches to third person in settlements. Just tied it to the same option that's already there to not show your spacesuit and/or helmet.
I must have a higher tolerance for standard Bethesda jank than most -I'm loving it despite the usual flaws. I did wonder if there would be a Game Pass effect where people are playing at launch because it's free, when otherwise you'd only be hearing from players who already knew what to expect. But it does sound like some of you liked other Fallout/Scrolls games and aren't into this one (or have reached a breaking point with those issues)
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Post by hedben on Sept 7, 2023 9:04:04 GMT
To be fair, there are flaws that aren't the usual ones too- I agree that the opening section has some weird narrative choices, and I can't stand that the minimap doesn't have compass points and the manually placed checkpoint hardly shows. Hope we get console mods soon and someone fixes that.
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Post by ned on Sept 7, 2023 9:05:37 GMT
I am enjoying it a lot, but the way you acquired your ship was a bit laughable. They couldn’t come up with anything better than that haha.
I do like the ‘Alien’ style themes to the ships/tech level. Can definitely see a a lot of thought and care went into the design. Feels great.
The 30fps isn’t bothering me much. I find I can get used to it provided I’m not dipping in and out of other 60 fps games. Just of focusing on this now
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Post by UncleLou on Sept 7, 2023 9:20:42 GMT
I'd like a mode that does first person for combat and exploration, and automatically switches to third person in settlements. Just tied it to the same option that's already there to not show your spacesuit and/or helmet. I must have a higher tolerance for standard Bethesda jank than most -I'm loving it despite the usual flaws. I did wonder if there would be a Game Pass effect where people are playing at launch because it's free, when otherwise you'd only be hearing from players who already knew what to expect. But it does sound like some of you liked other Fallout/Scrolls games and aren't into this one (or have reached a breaking point with those issues) I've always liked Bethesda's games enough to buy and enjoy them, but Fallout 4 was the first one that didn't grab me anymore at all, and it looks like I will feel the same about Starfield. I was hoping that, this being elevated to "console exclusive killer app" status, meant a bigger budget, more polish, etc., but it just feels like a game from the early 2000s, only with nicer environmental graphics. This just does't cut if for me anymore, at least currently. Maybe I'll be more in the mood in a few months, who knows.
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Post by mothercruncher on Sept 7, 2023 9:21:43 GMT
I have ACLIMATED to 30fps, yep. Scanning a planet fully to see what that gets you, you need to visit each set landing spot on any one planet by the looks of it to collect everything.
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Post by snackplissken on Sept 7, 2023 9:22:22 GMT
I am enjoying it a lot, but the way you acquired your ship was a bit laughable. They couldn’t come up with anything better than that haha. I do like the ‘Alien’ style themes to the ships/tech level. Can definitely see a a lot of thought and care went into the design. Feels great. The 30fps isn’t bothering me much. I find I can get used to it provided I’m not dipping in and out of other 60 fps games. Just of focusing on this now Press A to talk. Here's your ship. BYE.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Sept 7, 2023 9:25:47 GMT
Meant to mention this days ago, but I like how the laser mining cutters are straight out of Star Trek VI.
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Post by myk on Sept 7, 2023 9:34:20 GMT
Base building is a bit of a faff, took a while to figure out how to get through a docking ring in build mode (PSA: you can't, need to be in modify mode and not 'moving' anything) and really feel the lack of global storage. But now I've got an outpost on a borderline habitable moon (it did startle me a bit when it started raining).
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 7, 2023 10:20:01 GMT
I loved Fallout 3 (which came as a huge surprise to me at the time considering how highly I regard Black Isle's Fallout games), liked Skyrim (but found it far too similar to Morrowind and Oblivion and ultimately got bored before the end), but Fallout 4 fell completely flat for me. I probably made it about halfway through before I dropped it and moved on and have never had a desire to go back to it.
Still plugging away at Starfield - and enjoying it, for the most part - but I can't escape the feeling that this really is just a fancy reskin of Fallout 4 with some extra steps involved for fast travel; a spaceship mini game bookended by menus, loading screens and non-interactive animations to make you feel like you're actually going somewhere.
As a space nerd who's put well over 1500 hours into Elite Dangerous, the promise of space travel and exploration was what most excited me about Starfield. As it stands, it's (imho) inferior in pretty much every way when it comes to the gameplay (including the on-foot combat - seriously, ED Horizons low gravity FPS combat is surprisingly lovely) EXCEPT for the missions and narrative structure, which Elite has never excelled at (almost nonexistent) and is without doubt its largest critical flaw (along with the absolutely insane level of grind to engineer your ships to a high grade). It's not for everyone and I certainly wouldn't recommend it to people wanting more 'actual game' in their game!
I was hoping Starfield would bridge that gap and offer something sort of similar, but all of the 'space game' elements seem like afterthoughts added to pad things out a bit in between missions. I do enjoy roaming around scanning flora, fauna and geological elements while finding all the points of interest on the map (and have probably sunk most of my time into this part of the game up to now), that's probably my favourite part of this so far and will almost certainly keep me playing longer than Fallout 4 did.
TLDR: I just wish they'd made space travel more interesting, I guess.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Sept 7, 2023 10:42:23 GMT
I can't work out if leaving the space flight stuff out was right or not. Personally I feel like I'd have used it once and then just fast travelled anyway negating all the effort they might have put in to develop it.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 7, 2023 10:42:47 GMT
I am enjoying it a lot, but the way you acquired your ship was a bit laughable. They couldn’t come up with anything better than that haha. I do like the ‘Alien’ style themes to the ships/tech level. Can definitely see a a lot of thought and care went into the design. Feels great. The 30fps isn’t bothering me much. I find I can get used to it provided I’m not dipping in and out of other 60 fps games. Just of focusing on this now Video games have been set up with much less. But yeah I did laugh that you just get the ship because of a vision.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 7, 2023 10:47:27 GMT
Is everybody playing third or first person? First. It's cool seeing your person but then you start sprinting and see how the torso animation moves independently of the legs and another slither of immersion slips away.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 7, 2023 11:31:42 GMT
You shouldn't even be considering playing at 4k on a 2080 for pretty much any new game. I have a 3090 and play games at 1440p as playing at a higher frame rate trumps marginal visual gains. Yes. I couldn't be arsed to fiddle with settings etc late last night so will sort this eve. It's the first game I've played on this PC that has really struggled though. Admittedly, I don't play many brand new releases these days, but Cyberpunk faired a lot better. You could well be heavily CPU limited as well as GPU limited. I'd recommend the Hardware Uboxed Youtube videos on GPU and CPU performance as they suggest settings for worse setups than yours. They conclude there are bunch of settings which basically make no difference so may as well have them on full, then there are a few that really do have impact. The Low and Medium presets are apparently not very optimised in terms of bank for buck. Also get the DLSS mod. Won't add performance but does improve image quality at same FPS a bit.
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Post by hicksy on Sept 7, 2023 11:31:47 GMT
Watched a citizen get onto a doctors bed by somehow moving their lower body onto the bed frontwards while their torso above the waste was 180 degrees facing behind them.
Good job I like horror films!
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 7, 2023 11:34:25 GMT
I'd like a mode that does first person for combat and exploration, and automatically switches to third person in settlements. Just tied it to the same option that's already there to not show your spacesuit and/or helmet. I must have a higher tolerance for standard Bethesda jank than most -I'm loving it despite the usual flaws. I did wonder if there would be a Game Pass effect where people are playing at launch because it's free, when otherwise you'd only be hearing from players who already knew what to expect. But it does sound like some of you liked other Fallout/Scrolls games and aren't into this one (or have reached a breaking point with those issues) I've always liked Bethesda's games enough to buy and enjoy them, but Fallout 4 was the first one that didn't grab me anymore at all, and it looks like I will feel the same about Starfield. I was hoping that, this being elevated to "console exclusive killer app" status, meant a bigger budget, more polish, etc., but it just feels like a game from the early 2000s, only with nicer environmental graphics. This just does't cut if for me anymore, at least currently. Maybe I'll be more in the mood in a few months, who knows. I was the same re: FO4 and I find this miles more engaging, but yes it feels rather like a re-release of a late 2000s game with a hi-res texture pack and post processing added in.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 7, 2023 11:41:13 GMT
I can't work out if leaving the space flight stuff out was right or not. Personally I feel like I'd have used it once and then just fast travelled anyway negating all the effort they might have put in to develop it. It was not the right call. Not for their space exploration game. Having options to streamline it is fine, and if you tire of the actual control or you're short on time in a gameplay session then you can fall back to it, but making that only option is basically missing one of the most important elements for people interested in it. And, ideally, it would be fun enough that you would want to use it. Which, for the most part is completely counter to how they've implement any of the ship stuff - none of the piloting stuff is much fun, it all sort of just feels like filler to give you a sense of scale. You don't actually fly anywhere as it all takes far too long and you're greeted on every end by a loading screen anyway, and ship combat is, initially at least, just jousting in space which doesn't really make me want to invest more time to try to make it better. I booted up NMS just to remind myself of the take-off/landing/exploration and it's painfully better. Mining for resources feels easier too, though I'll concede that it's very much a secondary or tertiary aspect of Starfield. There's nothing in the campaign that drives you to that at all, it's all side-questing. But space travel and combat are the core of the game, and they're both a bit weak (though mostly just due to their reliance on navigating menus to do things).
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 7, 2023 11:41:28 GMT
I can certainly see how 30FPS would greatly impact the experience. The FPS bits and weightless bits really need smooth motion. I think a 60Hz patch is unlikely as the CPU will probably be the issue on Series X (as it is on most PCs) but you'd think they could and should do an unlocked VRR mode. 40fps feels way better than 30 in my experience. My PC is upper midrange but it's been pleasantly set and forget beyond the first hour or two of initial tinkering. Not found any 'dodgy' areas than tanked the framerate.
I've finally started fulfilling the mothership dream. Got my pilot license to level C and upgraded my ship so I can carry everything, have all the various workbenches and 3 crew. Feels quite a bit like Mass Effect 2 now, which is a good thing.
Next step will be adding a bit of beauty to it and a bit of feng shui as it's an ugly utilitarian beast right now and the corridor layout makes no sense as I still don't entirely know what I am doing.
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Post by Tomo on Sept 7, 2023 11:44:10 GMT
Yes. I couldn't be arsed to fiddle with settings etc late last night so will sort this eve. It's the first game I've played on this PC that has really struggled though. Admittedly, I don't play many brand new releases these days, but Cyberpunk faired a lot better. You could well be heavily CPU limited as well as GPU limited. I'd recommend the Hardware Uboxed Youtube videos on GPU and CPU performance as they suggest settings for worse setups than yours. They conclude there are bunch of settings which basically make no difference so may as well have them on full, then there are a few that really do have impact. The Low and Medium presets are apparently not very optimised in terms of bank for buck. Also get the DLSS mod. Won't add performance but does improve image quality at same FPS a bit. Thanks. I will prob whack down the resolution. And if I actually get into the game, resort to my other PC with 3080.
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Post by muddyfunster on Sept 7, 2023 11:47:38 GMT
I'm playing on a 3080 and it's a very solid 60fps vsync at 1440p uspcaled to 4k with DLSS. Settings all on highest except for the two or three that those guides suggested knocking down one level.
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Post by hedben on Sept 7, 2023 11:57:49 GMT
Has anyone mastered ship-building yet? All I want to do is add an extra cargo hold to my current ship, but I can't see how to get a list of new things to add, only how to move, duplicate or delete the things that are already there (and I can't duplicate the existing cargo hold for some reason)
EDIT - OMFG all I had to do was move the cursor away from the ship and point at blank space and then click A to "Add". Not sure if I'm a muppet for not trying to select a completely empty area, or their UI is terrible
(*"Why not both" meme)
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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 7, 2023 12:12:47 GMT
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Post by Zyrr on Sept 7, 2023 12:19:02 GMT
In all fairness, the ship building system is fucking terrible. I'm constantly fighting the camera and the menu system while I'm using it.
And while we're at it why can't you orient parts (such as cargo pods) so that they can be mounted above/below the hull? So many pieces can only be attached to the sides and I find it infuriating.
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