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Post by zagibu on Aug 25, 2023 15:29:58 GMT
And the last perfect game they made was Skyrim (in my opinion, ymmv). Don't worry, it's not a crime to have terrible taste. |
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 25, 2023 15:49:50 GMT
OoooOOOooh. I see we have an Edge Lord in out midst.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 15:53:13 GMT
And here I thought Junior was the youngest member of the forum.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 16:01:46 GMT
I wouldn’t buy this because it’s ridiculous and I’d want people to come visit, but
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Post by aubergine on Aug 25, 2023 16:03:29 GMT
Hot take: Morrowind is mediocre, only ever hinting at being interesting, never becoming so.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2023 16:04:54 GMT
and it’s an absolute chore to play. 1 out of 15 strikes will hit. fuck outta here with that. It’s visually interesting but dull otherwise.
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Post by Chopsen on Aug 25, 2023 16:16:48 GMT
It got a bit dated even within the lifetime it was being released as a new game. It lots of quality of life and UI issues that people just wouldn't tolerate these days. It was an undeniably big, ambitious game.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Aug 25, 2023 16:30:21 GMT
I never played it nor Oblivion. I liked Skyrim quite a bit.
Loved the shit out of F03 and got a couple.of hundred hours in FO4, but it was too easy to get really good shit making the rest of the game trivial really.
They make something that draws me in so I'm eager as fuck for Starfield. I want to be a dirty thieving smuggler with an innocent looking ship that has teeth.
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Post by zagibu on Aug 25, 2023 16:43:14 GMT
and it’s an absolute chore to play. 1 out of 15 strikes will hit. fuck outta here with that. It’s visually interesting but dull otherwise. Yeah I gotta admit the skill system is a bit...weird.
But it's not just visually interesting, it also has an actually good story, unlike Oblivion or Skyrim. It's not transported that well at times, but it's there. The whole setting is just much more captivating than the standard fare high fantasy stuff in the other two games.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 25, 2023 16:56:22 GMT
Almost everything about how Morrowind played was a bit annoying, but I still spent a huge amount of time enjoying my time there.
Same goes for Daggerfall really. Only game I ever bought 3 times, since I returned it for a refund twice and then ended up missing it and hoping it was better than I remembered and buying it again.
I did spent most of my time playing Morrowind thinking 'i hope their next game fixes this'
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 25, 2023 17:30:49 GMT
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Aug 25, 2023 17:31:30 GMT
Morrowind is the greatest game ever made.
Honestly, you people.
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Post by baihu1983 on Aug 25, 2023 17:36:50 GMT
Morrowind is the greatest game ever made. Honestly, you people. I'm still hoping for a planet that's just Morrowind and another that's Skyrim. |
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Post by hicksy on Aug 25, 2023 18:57:34 GMT
That’ll be the Skywind expansion then?
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Post by Phattso on Aug 25, 2023 19:21:26 GMT
Morrowind is the greatest game ever made. Honestly, you people. All the way this. Even today show me a world that feels as good as Morrowind at launch. The music. The visuals. The actual systems that let you do crazy shit with the gear and the effects. The fear of going into an area you’re under levelled for. All of that jazz. It’s that and elements of Skyrim that have me stoked for Starfield. If they can tap into even half of that atmosphere I’ll be a happy camper. |
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Post by Phattso on Aug 25, 2023 20:16:59 GMT
(Anyone that didn’t spend their first 20 minutes in Morrowind marvelling at the water ripples is DEAD TO ME!)
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Post by hicksy on Aug 25, 2023 20:21:53 GMT
Amazing intro & early music too!
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Aug 25, 2023 22:10:25 GMT
For the people on Xbox, you can buy the Icelandic version of the Premium upgrade edition for about £18. Just sign in as normal and change region to Iceland down the bottom of the page, search Starfield Premium Upgrade and buy it as normal. No VPN needed and uses your method of payment you use on your account. Worked like a charm, cheers for the heads up! |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 26, 2023 1:44:19 GMT
Morrowind is the greatest game ever made. Honestly, you people. I played it for like 2 years, and spent half of that looking at water ripples and mudcrabs, so I'm defintiely not dissing it.
It's just every time I tried to use magic, combat, etc.. and it worked in a weird annoying way I'd imagine their next game would be the perfect game, because it'd be like Morrowind, but with all the jank fixed.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 26, 2023 7:32:44 GMT
I wanted to like Morrowind but I think I just didn't come to it in the right circumstances at the right time.
First rented it from Blockbuster for Xbox without really knowing much about it. It ran quite badly, and I just found it a bit confusing not really sure what to do being totally unfamiliar with the tropes. I remember also being put off by the walls of text to read on a 28" tv (which was considered fairly large at the time).
I went back and tried it on PC a decade later (post enjoying Oblivion) and understood it more but by then it was ageing and I'd already experienced a huge open world.
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Post by aubergine on Aug 26, 2023 7:51:25 GMT
All Bethesda games are like this. You spend the first fifty hours marvelling at the superficialities, and the next 300 hours lamenting the superficiality; but you keep playing in the hope that it will somehow become the game your brain thought it was.
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Post by ekz on Aug 26, 2023 7:57:05 GMT
And then 50 hours downloading, installing and troubleshooting mods just to stop playing the game for 5 years after about an hour of using them.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 26, 2023 9:31:12 GMT
All Bethesda games are like this. You spend the first fifty hours marvelling at the superficialities, and the next 300 hours lamenting the superficiality; but you keep playing in the hope that it will somehow become the game your brain thought it was. Not sure I agree actually. In the case of Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Skyrim I just couldn't get enough. Hard to explain what Bethesda's secret sauce is but I was motivated to keep exploring and ticking off quests for hundreds of hours. I played all the DLC too. I do identify with that feeling of initial excitement at the world and then disappointment once it becomes clear it's superficial. I get it with most 3rd person open world action. I also had it a bit with Fallout 4 as I wasn't finding interesting stuff. The hope that this will be another one of those very rare games that sustains my interest for 200hrs+ is why I'm so excited. I think for me it's rewarding exploration with a combination of decent first person visuals and finding narratively or structurally interesting quests with enough regularity to make me believe another one might be round the next corner. The hand crafted, curated quests and dungeons are what I'm there for even if assets are reused. It's also what makes me nervous that Starfield might disappoint in the way FO4 did. I don't care that much about combat or loot so a lot of the valid criticisms of Bethesda systems don't bother me. I keep playing for hour after hour because I just enjoy being in the world so much and uncovering every inch of the map. |
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Post by mothercruncher on Aug 26, 2023 11:08:13 GMT
Morrowind grabbed me, but Skyrim fell flat, like, oh- same again then. It wasn’t enough. There’s some stuff they do well, and that’s the environments, but in most other respects they’re a AA developer cosplaying as AAA.
Seeing as I love Sci Fi and can play for free I’m really hoping they’ve (been forced to?) get their shit together for this one though.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Aug 26, 2023 11:21:03 GMT
Generally I play their games for about 40 hours, suddenly realise "actually... I kind of hate this", then abandon them forever. It happened with Oblivion, FO3 and Skyrim. I went back to FO4, because I thought they might have taken notes from New Vegas and improved their storytelling. And it was improved! But not by enough to stop me from similarly abandoning it.
I'm interested to see how Starfield does. But I don't think I'm going to touch it, unless I hear reports that it's drastically different from what they usually do.
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Post by muddyfunster on Aug 26, 2023 12:04:53 GMT
The whole 'wait a minute, I'm not actually having fun' thing happened to me with fallout 4. Just had a moment where I realised I don't care and it was just habitual busywork so I stopped.
Happened to me an awful lot in various genres from PS4 era onwards. I think I'm just too jaded with the formula having played so many triple A games.
In FO4 case it was a combo of boring story, uninspiring graphics and locations, lack of surprises and just a general sense that I'd done all this before and hadn't seen anything new in the past 20hrs.
Definite risk it happens again with Starfield. That BG3 run might start sooner than planned.
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Post by patrick on Aug 26, 2023 12:08:54 GMT
I'm still annoyed my 360 RROD'd before I even made it out of the cell in Oblivion.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Aug 26, 2023 12:25:51 GMT
I've enjoyed and gone through Bethesda's output starting from Oblivion but Fallout 4 was where I began to see the inner workings of the machine so to speak and I felt no reason to continue. 76 I didn't even last an hour really. I'm looking forward to Starfield but a lot of that is also down to it being part of Gamepass subscription which definitely works in its favour for me. I do wish they had got rid of the zoom in the top 1/4 of a NPC's head when you talk to them, that element feels very stuck in the past.
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Post by Wrongshui on Aug 26, 2023 12:39:11 GMT
Morrowind is the greatest game ever made. Honestly, you people. I love Morrowind, but the fact you missed 99% of the time coupled with the first few hours being nothing but fucking cliffracers it's amazing anyone stuck with it. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Aug 26, 2023 13:53:06 GMT
I haven't played anything of theirs newer than Morrowind, but one of the best things about that, and Daggerfall too, was that you could basically make your own fun. Other RPGs might have had better stories, better writing, etc... but in those RPGs I didn't spend 3 hours trying to work out how to get up onto the roof of that building over there. I can see how the formula might have worn thin after a number of such games, but as someone who only played 2 (not counting Arena and all the spinoffs) it never really did. I played Morrowind on and off for well over a year, without ever even trying to progress the main quest, and still found fun stuff to discover and explore. I think I spent the first few hours of Morrowind exploring the starting town, attempting to rob everyone blind, killing myself with seven-league boots and not really getting as far as the cliffracers.  |
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