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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 15:38:45 GMT
I will relent that Wavebird was brilliant.
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Post by Onny on Jan 12, 2024 16:43:10 GMT
Then of course the Xbox came along and changed the industry entirely. Mmmm, did they? The big change was Sony getting involved. Microsoft were just following their lead and it was a couple of generations before they were competing in any meaningful way. When I say changed the industry I mean: - proved FPS could be done competently on a console - introduced actual proper online - were mostly responsible for the move of “console gaming domination” from Japan to the West |
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Post by Cappy on Jan 12, 2024 17:05:04 GMT
So, Microsoft changed things for the worse then. Online = A shit DLC/micro-transaction gateway. Western games are generally just a big ol' pile of shit these days too. Though, maybe my view is tainted by how much exposure AAA games get, meanwhile there's loads of wonderful stuff that just doesn't get noticed.
Console FPS games with a control scheme we are familiar with couldn't happen without two sticks, so Sony gets the blame for that one. Early examples would be Quake 2 and Alien Resurrection on the PS1.
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Post by Onny on Jan 12, 2024 17:12:21 GMT
I meant *console, sorry. And even then I’d argue that quake 2 on ps1 wasn’t done competently, Christ!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 17:26:24 GMT
So, Microsoft changed things for the worse then. Online = A shit DLC/micro-transaction gateway. Western games are generally just a big ol' pile of shit these days too. Though, maybe my view is tainted by how much exposure AAA games get, meanwhile there's loads of wonderful stuff that just doesn't get noticed. Console FPS games with a control scheme we are familiar with couldn't happen without two sticks, so Sony gets the blame for that one. Early examples would be Quake 2 and Alien Resurrection on the PS1. Well done in painting all of the Western world as a homogenous blob with absolutely no naunce. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Jan 12, 2024 17:27:50 GMT
I loved the music feature on Xbox thanks to the built in HD.
Was especially great for wrestling games and entrance music.
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Post by kal on Jan 12, 2024 17:33:14 GMT
Mmmm, did they? The big change was Sony getting involved. Microsoft were just following their lead and it was a couple of generations before they were competing in any meaningful way. When I say changed the industry I mean: - proved FPS could be done competently on a console - introduced actual proper online - were mostly responsible for the move of “console gaming domination” from Japan to the West Halo was a game changer I agree but I think you’re overstating their contribution beyond that. Sony remains by far the most influential of the big three. |
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Post by Onny on Jan 12, 2024 18:24:38 GMT
You don’t think that online connectivity changed video games?
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Post by Onny on Jan 12, 2024 18:43:26 GMT
Also I’m not necessarily arguing they were the BIGGEST change, just they did usher in a massive change.
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Post by Onny on Jan 12, 2024 18:43:53 GMT
But anyway, how bout dem Dreamcasts eh?
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Post by cubby on Jan 12, 2024 18:44:41 GMT
I liked the swirl
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jan 12, 2024 20:02:10 GMT
I could murder a Twirl right now.
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Post by kal on Jan 12, 2024 20:04:53 GMT
You don’t think that online connectivity changed video games? Well Dreamcast did that first anyway. But it was inevitable and I don’t think anyone really gets credited with that as an innovation any more than sold state drives or whatever were. It was just keeping up with tech. |
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Post by mrpon on Jan 12, 2024 20:09:14 GMT
I could murder a Twirl right now. Dance like nobody's watching. |
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Post by dangerousdave on Jan 13, 2024 7:32:57 GMT
I would argue that TimeSplitters 1 & 2 quickly demonstrated how well an FPS could play on consoles before the Xbox had even launched. Halo was a bit slower and more floaty though, which possibly made it more appealing at the time, maybe?
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Post by Cappy on Jan 13, 2024 10:18:05 GMT
I meant *console, sorry. And even then I’d argue that quake 2 on ps1 wasn’t done competently, Christ! We are just talking about controlling an FPS game with two sticks, that's what it boils down to. Which ones are, or aren't competent is subjective to a significant degree. The belief that Halo does something unique is basically magical thinking.
Once upon a time millions of people thought GoldenEye was doing things competently, if controllers had stayed with one stick that could have been the template to improve upon going forward. If the Wii had been slightly different and could have supported exactly the same games as the 360 maybe pointer controls would have been the way to do things 'competently'. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 13, 2024 11:58:10 GMT
Wasn't Xbox responsible for the rise and domination of Western developed games and multiplayer/online? Mainstream Japanese games were pretty dead for a while
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 13, 2024 12:11:33 GMT
I meant *console, sorry. And even then I’d argue that quake 2 on ps1 wasn’t done competently, Christ! Once upon a time millions of people thought GoldenEye was doing things competently, if controllers had stayed with one stick that could have been the template to improve upon going forward By adding a second stick? |
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Post by kal on Jan 13, 2024 12:39:55 GMT
Wasn't Xbox responsible for the rise and domination of Western developed games and multiplayer/online? Mainstream Japanese games were pretty dead for a while No. Just because Sony is a Japanese brand doesn’t mean they weren’t the ones that pushed the industry’s towards being western centric. |
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Post by Onny on Jan 13, 2024 13:51:15 GMT
Once upon a time millions of people thought GoldenEye was doing things competently, if controllers had stayed with one stick that could have been the template to improve upon going forward.If the Wii had been slightly different and could have supported exactly the same games as the 360 maybe pointer controls would have been the way to do things 'competently'. I think you’re being a bit reductive here, chum. Single stick is measurably worse, as is the Wiimote. Anyway, I don’t really want to go into “why halo ce is good” here as this is a thread about the Dreamcast. I shouldn’t have made that MS comment as it’s massively detailed the thread, apologies! |
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Post by dangerousdave on Jan 13, 2024 18:55:44 GMT
Wii remote was solid. They patched in auto aim for Black Ops 2 on Wii U to balance against Wii remote users back in the day. Not that I could get into it.
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Post by gamingdave on Jan 15, 2024 12:15:42 GMT
Once upon a time millions of people thought GoldenEye was doing things competently, if controllers had stayed with one stick that could have been the template to improve upon going forward By adding a second stick? GoldenEye did have twin stick controls, if you used two pads at once. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 15, 2024 12:17:09 GMT
Things have advanced now, as I can play Goldeneye with twin stick just by using a pair of joycons.
Assuming I swap them over and hold them in the wrong hands.
Progress!
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Post by Cappy on Jan 18, 2024 13:09:04 GMT
Slightly off topic, (Do we have a Dreamcast mini thread?)but the new Raspberry Pi 5 is reported to run Dreamcast games really well. Which means Sega could put together something similar at a consumer friendly price point right now.
They already own the rights for most of the games people want, they just need to talk to Namco Bandai for Soul Calibur, Capcom for the Powerstone and a few Fighting games etc. Getting a Resident Evil or the port of Dino Crisis would be a nice bonus. Plus, just for me, get the rights for Grandia II so that Skies of Arcadia doesn't get all lonely being the only RPG on there.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 19, 2024 18:03:05 GMT
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Post by Onny on Feb 20, 2024 6:12:45 GMT
Weirdly I’m a bit disappointed by this. I worry they will sink a lot of money into it and it won’t do gangbusters so other projects will be cancelled. I’d much prefer a series of less ambitious but more fun titles in the £10-£20 range.
Maybe that’s what they’re aiming for but “AAA” sounds like a full priced game or some GAAS shit - to me at least.
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Post by pierrepressure on Feb 20, 2024 7:41:34 GMT
Yeah I'm not sure it needs AAA treatment, I'd be happy with more of the same with some updated mission variety.
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Post by darkling on Feb 20, 2024 8:53:37 GMT
Same. It'll either have so many additional systems that it'll water down the simple core concept, or it'll be the exact same core concept but with a AAA price tag.
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Post by baihu1983 on Feb 20, 2024 17:40:28 GMT
Yeah I'm not sure it needs AAA treatment, I'd be happy with more of the same with some updated mission variety. What if all that moneys just gone to getting every Offspring song available... |
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Post by Onny on Feb 20, 2024 17:55:45 GMT
AAA = All the AlienAntFarm Albums
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