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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 16, 2022 16:17:30 GMT
Rogue One was fucking boring.
Here's a two hour film answering a question nobody asked with bland characters and zero stakes.
I honestly don't know what people see in this film - I seem to be in the minority.
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Post by nexus6 on Mar 16, 2022 16:20:57 GMT
Also - I think recapturing zeitgeist legacy is always doomed to fail anyway. I canβt think of a single example of where a treasured series was revived/continued and it didnβt utterly fail to live up to expectations. Bladerunner 2049 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 16:21:53 GMT
ooh, I hated 2049.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 16, 2022 16:26:27 GMT
Also - I think recapturing zeitgeist legacy is always doomed to fail anyway. I canβt think of a single example of where a treasured series was revived/continued and it didnβt utterly fail to live up to expectations. Bladerunner 2049 Star Trek TNG (albeit after a couple of seasons of failing). Twin Peaks Season 3 (not universally loved, but certainly critically acclaimed and many did love it, myself included). And that is me out. |
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 16, 2022 16:32:26 GMT
Twin Peaks Season 3 was fantastic. Exactly what I wanted. And has one of the biggest mind fuck episodes of all time.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 16, 2022 16:33:57 GMT
Fargo and Cobra Kai, although obviously not based on series...
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Post by π on Mar 16, 2022 17:20:34 GMT
Star Trek aside (and bearing in mind how much people seemed to hate anything post TNG) Iβm not sure any of those fit into the definition of zeitgeist. Iβm using it in terms of an era defining cultural event like what Lukus done defined. Some serieseseses have been revived successfully, sure, but not in that context.
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Mar 16, 2022 17:28:11 GMT
Twin Peaks Season 3 was fantastic. Exactly what I wanted. And has one of the biggest mind fuck episodes of all time. Awesome to hear, I'm 2/3 of the way through Season 2 (first watch). |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 16, 2022 17:31:55 GMT
Star Trek aside (and bearing in mind how much people seemed to hate anything post TNG) Iβm not sure any of those fit into the definition of zeitgeist. Iβm using it in terms of an era defining cultural event like what Lukus done defined. Some serieseseses have been revived successfully, sure, but not in that context. The most successful and interesting things spin off or continue in interesting and new directions, I think. Twin Peaks is actually a decent example. Season 3 is like 18 hour long movies. Lynch is smart enough to know that you cant do Classic Twin Peaks again so he turned it on its head. Which is why its so fucking fantastic. |
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 16, 2022 19:25:02 GMT
Twin Peaks Season 3 was fantastic. Exactly what I wanted. And has one of the biggest mind fuck episodes of all time. Awesome to hear, I'm 2/3 of the way through Season 2 (first watch). Ah, try and stick with it through season 2. It's pretty rough in places. The finale is well worth it though. If you are 2/3 through, you are probably past the worst. S3 is best considered as new Lynch rather than new Twin Peaks. I think those that disliked it were expecting a continuation of the quirky soap opera. Instead, they got almost Inland Empire degrees of unfiltered Lynch. I also recommend checking out Fire Walk With Me before you start S3. It relates to it probably more than the series does and is tonally closer. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 19:34:00 GMT
Really? I thought the first half of season 2 was the better half. Once they solved the Laura Palmer case, they kind of floundered with no idea where to take the show.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 16, 2022 19:53:32 GMT
Yeah, it is great until the murder is solved. It goes to shit after that. I would say it picks up a bit towards the end though (still not good, but better). Once you get through James's motorcycle diaries you are past the worst.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 17, 2022 1:24:27 GMT
None of the trilogies are actually great, I can't see how you could make the OT any better, other than maybe less ewoks. Rogue One and TLJ at least felt like they were doing something new, and as such kinda refreshed my interest in Star Wars after the prequels and TFA kinda killed it off. Then RoS killed it off again. The Mandalorian Season 1 rekindled it, and then Season 2 and Boba Fett seem to have nixed it. It's been a rollercoaster ride. |
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Post by Saul1138 on Mar 17, 2022 2:58:13 GMT
I never quite understand why people complained about the artillery in space, which I assume is in relation to the bombers at the beginning? When the ships jumped out of hyperspace, they are visible from the ground. That means they had to be in a low orbit, and would therefore be affected by the planetsβ gravity, in the same way that fellow jumped from the balloon still fell to earth and didnβt just float.
Also, the ships have artificial gravity internally. So when the bombs are released, they would drop. Once in space, their momentum would keep them moving. As they are falling directly towards the dreadnought, that is what they would hit.
As for the OT, I know Lucas stopped making them for personal reasons. But Jedi should have been two films. Rescuing Han, then the attack on Endor.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 17, 2022 3:20:18 GMT
Plus, given how much ANH is based on WW2 movies, it was perfectly fitting.
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Post by dasbooter on Mar 17, 2022 6:10:41 GMT
I never quite understand why people complained about the artillery in space, which I assume is in relation to the bombers at the beginning? When the ships jumped out of hyperspace, they are visible from the ground. That means they had to be in a low orbit, and would therefore be affected by the planetsβ gravity, in the same way that fellow jumped from the balloon still fell to earth and didnβt just float. Also, the ships have artificial gravity internally. So when the bombs are released, they would drop. Once in space, their momentum would keep them moving. As they are falling directly towards the dreadnought, that is what they would hit. As for the OT, I know Lucas stopped making them for personal reasons. But Jedi should have been two films. Rescuing Han, then the attack on Endor. Nah it's when the First Order are chasing the Resistance fleet and shooting down their escape craft near Crait - the green energy shots arc through space. It's minor, but annoying as fuck. |
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Post by dogbot on Mar 17, 2022 9:43:43 GMT
I love when people complain about physics in the movies about space wizards.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 9:52:31 GMT
The gravity generators on the ship cause a pull on the lasers obviously. Geez Louis.
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Post by snackplissken on Mar 17, 2022 10:29:23 GMT
Really? I thought the first half of season 2 was the better half. Once they solved the Laura Palmer case, they kind of floundered with no idea where to take the show. It picked up again when Windom Earle shows up. You just need to skip any scenes with James in. |
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 17, 2022 12:43:58 GMT
Nah it's when the First Order are chasing the Resistance fleet and shooting down their escape craft near Crait - the green energy shots arc through space. It's minor, but annoying as fuck. I never noticed that. And now it's been pointed out I can't believe anyone cares about it.  |
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 17, 2022 13:20:18 GMT
Not quite sure why the Last Jedi is held in semi high regard in here. Is it because its universally hated by the fanboy Star War geeks/neck beards and people don't want to be associated with them?
Well I don't care, the Last Jedi was absolutely fucking awful, it even starts with a 'Your Mum' joke FFS.
Mary Poppins in Space, Alien breast feeding, the whole casino part, the main bad guy being killed off without any explanation, the slowest chase in the galaxy etc. etc.
I can't stand most Star Wars films now but the Last Jedi is up there with Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith and the Rise of Skywalker as an utter dog turd of film.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 17, 2022 13:23:57 GMT
I really like TLJ because it tried something different with the Star Wars formula, for better or worse.
I also thought Luke's arc was fantastic and his character motivations made complete sense to me. Loved how Rey's parents were nobodies too (at least for one film) - such a refreshing take.
Casino part was utter shit, though.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 17, 2022 13:27:20 GMT
I really like TLJ because it tried something different with the Star Wars formula, for better or worse. I also thought Luke's arc was fantastic and his character motivations made complete sense to me. Loved how Rey's parents were nobodies too (at least for one film) - such a refreshing take. Casino part was utter shit, though. When was the last time you watched it? |
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 17, 2022 13:32:48 GMT
In all fairness I've only watched it once at the cinema.
However, I only watched TFA, RoS and Rogue One at the cinema once too and I enjoyed the former and really disliked the latter two.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 17, 2022 13:39:30 GMT
I really like TLJ because it tried something different with the Star Wars formula, for better or worse. I also thought Luke's arc was fantastic and his character motivations made complete sense to me. Loved how Rey's parents were nobodies too (at least for one film) - such a refreshing take. Casino part was utter shit, though. This.
It was deeply refreshing and a lot of fun. I spent large parts of it with a big grin on my face.
The casino planet horse race thing was indeed shit, though their whole mission being a complete fuck up was great.
It wasn't perfect, but it was basically exactly what I wanted out of a SW movie.
Here you go, you can listen to Chris and his sister talk about why it was awesome for 2 and a quarter hours:
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Mar 17, 2022 13:46:38 GMT
The Princess Leia superman thing was not the high point.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 17, 2022 13:48:08 GMT
I honestly don't know how anybody can get any enjoyment out of that film.
Other than constantly trying to subvert your expectations at the expense of everything that was set up in the first film and making a 3rd film basically impossible to make. It's just absolutely shite to watch as film in itself, like embarrassingly bad.
Each to their own though
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 17, 2022 13:49:42 GMT
In all fairness I've only watched it once at the cinema. However, I only watched TFA, RoS and Rogue One at the cinema once too and I enjoyed the former and really disliked the latter two. Try and watch it again in one sitting. I bet you can't |
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Post by dogbot on Mar 17, 2022 13:51:04 GMT
I enjoyed TLJ and I watched it again about 12 months ago. Tbh, I enjoyed it nearly as much as all the pathetic fanboi kvetching about how it had ruined their childhoods. |
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 17, 2022 13:51:21 GMT
Bet what?
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