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Post by simple on Jun 15, 2022 21:26:41 GMT
This was a good episode Although I know Obi Wan didn’t want to fight but in such tight quarters he could have seriously wrecked those Stormtroopers as the bottlenecked after the rebels started retreating
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 21:29:11 GMT
That was good. Was the warning at the beginning because of the younglings ?
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Post by brokenkey on Jun 15, 2022 21:37:05 GMT
This was a good episode Although I know Obi Wan didn’t want to fight but in such tight quarters he could have seriously wrecked those Stormtroopers as the bottlenecked after the rebels started retreating not with a light saber which bounces off their armour, he won't.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 15, 2022 21:47:38 GMT
I’ve watched the first few episodes and I don’t know if this changes but every scrap of tension is deflated by, y’know, A New Hope existing. It’s like watching one of those time travel shows where the guy knows he exists in the future so keeps doing crazy things like putting a gun to his or running into traffic. That's true for almost every prequel that directly precedes the existing film/show/book they were released after, though. In Rogue One, from the start you knew the Rebels' plan will succeed and you also (kind of) knew the Rogue One crew at the very least won't be fight-capable come A New Hope, in the Hobbit, you knew Bilbo, Legolas and Gandalf at least would survive and so on. That's kind of what happens with prequels, barring any alternate universe shenanigans (usually confined to videogame prequels) you pretty much always know the outcome of the story to an extent. The point of them is to flesh out the universe, provide backstory and (potentially) surprise you with characters or events that were originally just footnotes or one-note, but turned out to have compelling stories and great significance when viewed "live" so to speak.
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 15, 2022 21:52:16 GMT
I’ve watched the first few episodes and I don’t know if this changes but every scrap of tension is deflated by, y’know, A New Hope existing. It’s like watching one of those time travel shows where the guy knows he exists in the future so keeps doing crazy things like putting a gun to his or running into traffic. Well this is always the issue with any prequel, even rogue 1 with new characfers (which I loved) has the problem where you know that they need to go somewhere prior to it all starting in a new hope.
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 15, 2022 21:53:03 GMT
S Y N E R G y
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2022 21:55:05 GMT
Well, yes, obviously and it is one of the reasons I don’t like prequels generally and wasn’t really arsed with Rogue One. It’s just that this is a direct prequel to something *so* iconic it’s impossible to stop thinking about it.
And, fwiw, The Hobbit isn’t a prequel to Lord of The Rings.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 15, 2022 22:01:53 GMT
And, fwiw, The Hobbit isn’t a prequel to Lord of The Rings. ...It's a story that takes place a few decades before Lord of the Rings, starring multiple characters from Lord of the Rings and set in the same world. What exactly would you call that? Or is your hangup the fact that there's a few decades between Hobbit and LotR, because in that case the Star Wars prequel trilogy also isn't a prequel and you're opening up quite the can of worms
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2022 22:03:43 GMT
No, my hang up is that The Hobbit was written and released several years before Lord of The Rings. Lord of The Rings is literally it’s sequel.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2022 22:04:36 GMT
Assuming you know what a book is, obviously.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 22:04:38 GMT
The Hobbit was written first. Lord of the Rings was the followup. So it's not a prequel, which is usually a story written after the fact to tell the original's backstory. In this case, Hobbit was the original. It would be more accurate to call LotR a sequel than it is to call Hobbit a prequel.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 15, 2022 22:04:48 GMT
The hobbit was written first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 22:05:10 GMT
or what nick wrote but faster and more concise
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Post by dogbot on Jun 15, 2022 22:05:41 GMT
Does anyone know if the Hobbit was written first?
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 15, 2022 22:06:37 GMT
Yes it was
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 15, 2022 22:06:56 GMT
No, my hang up is that The Hobbit was written and released several years before Lord of The Rings. Lord of The Rings is literally it’s sequel. That's fair. (at least if you're not someone that only watched the movies)
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2022 22:07:39 GMT
Well, yeah, it does but whatever.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 15, 2022 22:08:05 GMT
Counterpoint - The Hobbit was written first but then retconned into the LotR plot after the success of those books (eg, the ring was just some random magic ring instead of the Ring of Power originally). So the prequel tag is still reasonably fair.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 15, 2022 22:08:11 GMT
Well, yeah, it does but whatever. Right, sorry, I looked it up.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2022 22:09:31 GMT
Counterpoint - The Hobbit was written first but then retconned into the LotR plot after the success of those books (eg, the ring was just some random magic ring instead of the Ring of Power originally). So the prequel tag is still reasonably fair. That is incredibly charitable.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 15, 2022 22:10:07 GMT
I always assumed a prequel had to have been created after the sequel, if that makes sense. But the more I think about it the more I thinks that’s not the case.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 15, 2022 22:12:10 GMT
Admittedly while I did know LotR and the Hobbit were books long before they became movies, I was unaware of their exact (book) release dates, hence my confusion. Still, I'd say my general point holds, a prequel will rarely (if ever) not connect to the story it's set before unless it's explicitly exploring an alternate universe/timeline/whatever. I just chose my example poorly
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Post by Nemesis on Jun 15, 2022 22:12:47 GMT
Like the Empire Strikes back, episode V was most excellent !
(Only just noticed the Obi Wan episodes are Roman numerals in the show listing)
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 15, 2022 22:13:09 GMT
But, anyway, hopefully it will bring it around but this has so far kind of gone with my general problem with Star Wars fluff. The OT is so iconic that everything is reverential and revolves around it and there just don’t seem to be many interesting stories to tell with that narrow a focus. Unless it really pulls a rabbit out of the hat, I don’t think this is a story that really needed to be told.
A good prequel will tell it’s own story and justify its existence on its own terms and none of these really do other than the mandalorean and that’s arguably because it has the least to do with the OT.
And it doesn’t suck, which is important.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 15, 2022 22:14:28 GMT
The whole Legendarium is messed up in regards to canon and timelines in general. The Hobbit originally was not part of the Legendarium, but when writing LotR he found that the new story did fit with his Legendarium so baked it in. Then went back and retconned Hobbit to fit in as well. And then The Hobbit in itself was retconned to be an in-universe retelling by Bilbo so he didn’t have to adjust the tone to fit LotR and keep it a lighter kid’s book.
The whole concept of sequels and prequels kind of goes out the window, really, when you’re talking about a broad universe written and revised continually over 50 odd years (and more when we start the unpublished stuff Christopher Tolkien decided to finish)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2022 22:15:04 GMT
I always assumed a prequel had to have been created after the sequel, if that makes sense. But the more I think about it the more I thinks that’s not the case. A quick look up of the definition is "a story or film containing events which precede those of an existing work." I think therefore your initial assumption is correct and is also my assumption.
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Post by JuniorFE on Jun 15, 2022 22:45:43 GMT
Well hey, someone read the thread and decided to explain how the Third Sister knew about Anakin being Vader Some really nice fight scenes in this one, too. That said, why the fuck would you announce yourself with a roar when going for a backstab, just do it like Kylo killed Snoke and you're good I mean, Vader would probably know anyway, but still.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 15, 2022 22:54:15 GMT
Didn’t mean to achshually the thread there btw, just thought it was interesting. As you were.
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Post by simple on Jun 15, 2022 23:17:50 GMT
Can we talk about how that’s two episodes in a row where spaceships have looked like tiny models next to characters in the show?
The speeders attacking the hanger last week and the transport Vader pulled down this time.
Why have they forgotten how to do perspective and scale?
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Post by unrealkilla on Jun 16, 2022 0:22:49 GMT
E5 much better. Only thing I didn't like: When Third Sister and Obi Wan have their little tete a tete and she explains how she knows Vader, although that was good, what sense does that make that she terrorises and slaughters Jedi and Jedi sympathisers. Why would she become an Inquisitor, and would the Empires force sensitives not realise she had da knowledge when she signed up and then Inquisitored her? Ok she hates Vader, but aren't there other slightly less horrible ways to get close to him, like rise through the ranks of the regular military?[\spoiler]
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