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Post by damagedinc on Jun 7, 2022 12:42:17 GMT
His whole point is the fans arnt toxic, the output is shit and it gets rightfully critiqued. It's nothing to do with the colour of the person portraying them or whether they're female/male.
Yes there is a loud few but that doesn't make the whole fanbase toxic
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Post by nexus6 on Jun 7, 2022 12:53:12 GMT
He has a point though hasn't he? No. |
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 7, 2022 12:53:45 GMT
No one has ever claimed the entire fan base of any of these shows is toxic, it’s always been a minority. That video of his is stupid.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 7, 2022 12:55:24 GMT
I’m sure when some of the fans were making racist comments it was purely because of the quality of the show/film and not because they’re racist. What better way to demonstrate that quality is the issue than making a few racist and sexist comments.
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 7, 2022 12:57:34 GMT
No one has ever claimed the entire fan base of any of these shows is toxic, it’s always been a minority. That video of his is stupid. Seems be a lot of traction from what I've seen claiming fans to be "toxic" didn't ewan mcgregor even post a video about it? |
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 7, 2022 12:59:53 GMT
I’m sure when some of the fans were making racist comments it was purely because of the quality of the show/film and not because they’re racist. What better way to demonstrate that quality is the issue than making a few racist and sexist comments. I don't think you've watched the video as that's not what he's saying at all. *checking to see i linked the right video. Hes not excusing the racist behaviour etc. That's not acceptable whatever which way. More the general negativity being blamed on "toxic" fans as opposed to just bad film making etc |
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 7, 2022 13:06:53 GMT
Nope, it's grifters like these youtubers and blog writers who rely on all this divisive bullshit to get them their ad clicks.
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 7, 2022 13:09:13 GMT
It’s quite clear that’s what he means when he’s talking about diversity. Somewhere around 3/4 of the way through. All the examples in the background are women and/or Asian/black.
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Post by retro74 on Jun 7, 2022 13:19:54 GMT
SW doesn’t have a toxic fanbase. It just represents society as a whole
There’s like a gazillion SW fans across the globe, even if a tiny percentage are shitty people it’s still a lot of shitty people
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 7, 2022 13:21:24 GMT
Well maybe it's me that's missed the point then haha. I'll have to rewatch it but I saw it as I said above.
Feel that you can't criticise certain characters without being called sexist or racist. Bit like ghostbusters as he mentioned. Was nothing to do with it being all women, it's the fact the film was shit.
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Post by Blue_Mike on Jun 7, 2022 13:24:13 GMT
Nope, it's grifters like these youtubers and blog writers who rely on all this divisive bullshit to get them their ad clicks. Funny how the "reviewers" criticising this particular character on Obi-Wan while maintaining that they are definitely not racist also seemed to be the same ones who seem to also instinctively dislike Burnham on Discovery and new younger Guinan on Picard, isn't it? |
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Post by geefe on Jun 7, 2022 13:37:19 GMT
Tbf Burnham was fucking awful and easily the worst character on the show, while young Guinan was poorly written and entirely at odds with the way the character had been written previously.
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Post by snackplissken on Jun 7, 2022 13:40:19 GMT
Remember in the 90s when you really wished for more Star Wars and Marvel films. Skip ahead today and please stop I can't take anymore.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 7, 2022 13:40:43 GMT
He may make some good points, but I suspect that if I watch that video then my youtube recommendations are going to go all alt-right incel again, like that one time I clicked on a thumbnail for a video about The Last Jedi and it turned out to be some twat ranting about star wars going all woke. Since a lot of us here are SW fans, I don't think anyone is saying the entire fanbase is toxic. But the online youtube-fueled 'star wars fandom' seems to be pretty horrible overall. Worse than many of the other shitty youtube-fueled fandoms. Feel that you can't criticise certain characters without being called sexist or racist. Bit like ghostbusters as he mentioned. Was nothing to do with it being all women, it's the fact the film was shit. Yeah, you could tell that by the way it got review bombed and criticised to hell before it was released. |
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 7, 2022 13:44:08 GMT
Every single character is poorly written and forced to do/say things that make no sense. They're crap characters. They'll get singled out because they're black and or female. That's not a toxic fan base, that's a fanbase. As said above it's, unfortunately, representative of humans (men), particularly nerds though tbf.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 7, 2022 13:47:28 GMT
They'll get singled out because they're black and or female. That's not a toxic fan base, that's a fanbase. As said above it's, unfortunately, representative of humans (men), particularly nerds though tbf. That sounds kinda like a toxic fanbase to me. Especially when they all get together and amplify each other to the point where it all gets taken waaay too seriously. |
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Post by Duffking on Jun 7, 2022 14:01:49 GMT
I’m sure when some of the fans were making racist comments it was purely because of the quality of the show/film and not because they’re racist. What better way to demonstrate that quality is the issue than making a few racist and sexist comments. I don't think you've watched the video as that's not what he's saying at all. *checking to see i linked the right video. Hes not excusing the racist behaviour etc. That's not acceptable whatever which way. More the general negativity being blamed on "toxic" fans as opposed to just bad film making etc That's been going on since TLJ at least. There was a point a couple of weeks where people seemed to latch on to the fact that there had been people who'd been racist/sexist in their criticisms of the flim and then because a lot of people take it personally when you don't like a thing they do, you saw a lot of "the only people who don't like TLJ are racists/sexists" etc going around.
Similar situation with the Last of Us 2, a lot of people had legitimate gripes with the game, but because fans in general are very fragile it became impossible to discuss the merits of the game because of the group of people who had been engaging in rampant sexism etc. Anyone with criticisms just got lumped into that group.
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Post by damagedinc on Jun 7, 2022 14:14:24 GMT
Well think we're all largely agreeing, I'll save the debate for what a "toxic" fanbase is for another thread that I won't be part of haha.
Either way, hopefully when the next 3 episodes come out the quality improves.
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Post by harrypalmer on Jun 7, 2022 14:39:24 GMT
They'll get singled out because they're black and or female. That's not a toxic fan base, that's a fanbase. As said above it's, unfortunately, representative of humans (men), particularly nerds though tbf. That sounds kinda like a toxic fanbase to me. Especially when they all get together and amplify each other to the point where it all gets taken waaay too seriously. Yeah, true! I don't think its specific to Star Wars though. But it's definitely nerd based. |
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Post by LFace on Jun 7, 2022 15:08:58 GMT
Is this like when the third Ghostbusters film came out and it was absolutely dreadful as a movie and the characters annoyingly shit, but any criticism was met with "you're just saying that because they're women" which is not the point at all?
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 7, 2022 15:34:48 GMT
No it’s not.
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Post by nexus6 on Jun 7, 2022 16:04:32 GMT
The fact that the writing is not brilliant at all points is a convenient foil for a lot of the more 'toxic' fans to get stuck right in with criticism. Criticism that can get racist.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 7, 2022 16:18:54 GMT
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Post by JonFE on Jun 7, 2022 16:23:28 GMT
F@*&, that's a lot of Star Wars!!!
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 7, 2022 16:24:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 16:28:16 GMT
Is that legit? Is Summer Vacation the new Holiday Special? And it amuses me that they're just calling the Taika project, "The Taika Project." I know that's not final, but it needs a better working title than that.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 7, 2022 16:32:34 GMT
Certainly found on the internet legit at least.
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Post by simple on Jun 7, 2022 16:35:13 GMT
I enjoyed that Ghostbusters film
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 16:39:53 GMT
So did I. Also the first time I realized Thor was funny.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Jun 7, 2022 16:40:55 GMT
Me too.
It was fun.
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