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Post by Danno on Feb 3, 2022 17:38:19 GMT
The Guardian can't get enough of articles bashing wood burners. If you have a decent burner and good quality fuel then I don't think it's much of a problem. Which is fucking weird because half of their readership likely has or wants one |
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Post by H-alphaFox on Feb 3, 2022 17:41:56 GMT
It's part of their ongoing plan to suck out what little joy there is left in the world.
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Post by technoish on Feb 3, 2022 20:32:32 GMT
I don't think log burners will be much cheaper. Think you are still looking at 5-10 quid a day (more?) unless you have loads of storage space, and that's to heat one room.
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Post by geefe on Feb 4, 2022 8:46:46 GMT
Having looked in to log burners - they're a luxury more than anything.
Question - has anyone had solar panels installed or insulation? I'm in an end Victorian terrace. Fucking freezing but I get the sun all day. There's a quagmire of information and I'm a bit unsure of who to trust. Defo want to invest in both, though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 8:50:47 GMT
Not had solar panels, but I know people who have and they are all delighted with them. They made money back in the day.
As for insulation, I had cavity wall insulation done in a previous house and it went from "cool down in 1/2 an hour" to "cool down in 3 hours" after I turned off the central heating. I'm going to get it here as this fuel crisis isn't going to go away.
And I've got an open fire, but those work out more expensive than central heating iirc.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 4, 2022 8:57:27 GMT
I hate cavity wall insulation. As discussed in the housing thread, in older properties, it almost always leads to condensation build up, as any moisture in the house has nowhere to go. I have enough of that already behind wardrobes etc.
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Post by snackplissken on Feb 4, 2022 9:20:58 GMT
Log burner works out at like £90 for 3 months worth for us, which isn't too shabby. All kiln dried as well. The trick is to try and regulate it so you don't rip through the wood quickly which will be easier with a newer burner. Also look out for deals at B&Q they sometimes have offers.
Don't buy those coffee logs. Really do avoid.
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Post by imamazed on Feb 4, 2022 9:26:50 GMT
The Guardian can't get enough of articles bashing wood burners. If you have a decent burner and good quality fuel then I don't think it's much of a problem. I mean the evidence is pretty solid that they cause a lot of damage, regardless of who's reporting it. They're now the leading cause of particle pollution in the UK - more than traffic - and even affect air quality inside. I'm sure you can mitigate it to some extent with dry treated wood etc. but there's no evidence that that's happening en masse and I've not seen anything to see it's sustainable or efficient in its own right. I use to love the idea of a wood burner, but the more I think about it now, the more I think it's positively anti-social in urban areas. As others have said, it's such a luxury in many ways and has a terrible impact on others. Out in the sticks? Probably not such an issue. |
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Post by technoish on Feb 4, 2022 9:29:49 GMT
Victorian property very very likely to have solid walls. Your options there are insulation on the wall - either on the inside or outside. A breathable material will stop the moisture issue happening. Eg wood fibre: buildpass.co.uk/blog/what-is-wood-fibre-insulation-and-is-it-worth-using/. you lose some internal dimensions if on inside, and it will have to be rendered instead of visible bricks if done on outside. Loft / roof insulation is always the absolute obvious thing to do, most cost effective and generally requires no moving of furniture or redecorating! If you have some already, latest standards are higher so you could have more done. Windows also an obvious leak - upgrade to double or even triple glazing, although it is fairly expensive if you have a lot of windows. Secondary glazing on inside is cheaper (if not very nice to look at / less practical. If you have bare (and draughty) floorboards on ground floor and a cavity underneath (as you probably would), then underfloor insulation is probably also fairly cost effective. Our Solar panels were supposed to be installed last week, but the scaffolding people didn't arrive as on the job before one of them fell off the roof... |
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Post by X201 on Feb 4, 2022 9:30:39 GMT
Having looked in to log burners - they're a luxury more than anything. Question - has anyone had solar panels installed or insulation? I'm in an end Victorian terrace. Fucking freezing but I get the sun all day. There's a quagmire of information and I'm a bit unsure of who to trust. Defo want to invest in both, though. The one thing I learned from when we installed solar panels at work was that if you harbour a desire to sell your energy back to the grid, make sure the local infrastructure is capable of taking it.
We want to cover the whole roof at work and sell energy back, but currently can't.
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Post by technoish on Feb 4, 2022 9:31:49 GMT
The Guardian can't get enough of articles bashing wood burners. If you have a decent burner and good quality fuel then I don't think it's much of a problem. I mean the evidence is pretty solid that they cause a lot of damage, regardless of who's reporting it. They're now the leading cause of particle pollution in the UK - more than traffic - and even affect air quality inside. I'm sure you can mitigate it to some extent with dry treated wood etc. but there's no evidence that that's happening en masse and I've not seen anything to see it's sustainable or efficient in its own right. I use to love the idea of a wood burner, but the more I think about it now, the more I think it's positively anti-social in urban areas. As others have said, it's such a luxury in many ways and has a terrible impact on others. Out in the sticks? Probably not such an issue. I am surprised chimney filters aren't a thing - like a catalytic converter on a car exhaust. I have seen them online I think focused on Swedish market. I asked our chimney sweep, he wasn't really aware. |
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Post by MysteryLamb on Feb 4, 2022 9:51:38 GMT
Had a little panic and just fixed my est. bills at £57 a month for the next 2 years. Compared to some of the figures flying about that seems ok?
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Post by snackplissken on Feb 4, 2022 10:04:13 GMT
Had a little panic and just fixed my est. bills at £57 a month for the next 2 years. Compared to some of the figures flying about that seems ok? Do you live in one room and have no heating on? |
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Post by MysteryLamb on Feb 4, 2022 10:12:08 GMT
Had a little panic and just fixed my est. bills at £57 a month for the next 2 years. Compared to some of the figures flying about that seems ok? Do you live in one room and have no heating on? Its all estimated and I've no idea what they based it on as I only moved in on Monday. 2 bed flat but I am on my own. Maybe they know that I grew up without central heating and am used to it. |
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Post by TheSaint on Feb 4, 2022 10:22:48 GMT
The Guardian can't get enough of articles bashing wood burners. If you have a decent burner and good quality fuel then I don't think it's much of a problem. I mean the evidence is pretty solid that they cause a lot of damage, regardless of who's reporting it. They're now the leading cause of particle pollution in the UK - more than traffic - and even affect air quality inside. I'm sure you can mitigate it to some extent with dry treated wood etc. but there's no evidence that that's happening en masse and I've not seen anything to see it's sustainable or efficient in its own right. I use to love the idea of a wood burner, but the more I think about it now, the more I think it's positively anti-social in urban areas. As others have said, it's such a luxury in many ways and has a terrible impact on others. Out in the sticks? Probably not such an issue. More or Less did an interesting look into this that suggested a lot of the estimates used in these reports were way off. For example they assume the owner of a wood burner is using for 20 days in summer which seems ridiculous. It's worth a listen if you are interested: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p085478q |
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Post by technoish on Feb 4, 2022 10:32:12 GMT
Do you live in one room and have no heating on? Its all estimated and I've no idea what they based it on as I only moved in on Monday. 2 bed flat but I am on my own. Maybe they know that I grew up without central heating and am used to it. They key question is actually what kWh price did you fix it at. You can compare that to the new cap announcement. |
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Post by imamazed on Feb 4, 2022 10:34:20 GMT
I mean the evidence is pretty solid that they cause a lot of damage, regardless of who's reporting it. They're now the leading cause of particle pollution in the UK - more than traffic - and even affect air quality inside. I'm sure you can mitigate it to some extent with dry treated wood etc. but there's no evidence that that's happening en masse and I've not seen anything to see it's sustainable or efficient in its own right. I use to love the idea of a wood burner, but the more I think about it now, the more I think it's positively anti-social in urban areas. As others have said, it's such a luxury in many ways and has a terrible impact on others. Out in the sticks? Probably not such an issue. More or Less did an interesting look into this that suggested a lot of the estimates used in these reports were way off. For example they assume the owner of a wood burner is using for 20 days in summer which seems ridiculous. It's worth a listen if you are interested: www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p085478qFair play, I'll give that a listen. Definitely seen other studies suggest wood burners are a huge problem, but that particular study may have overstated. |
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Post by dmukgr on Feb 4, 2022 10:53:11 GMT
I hate cavity wall insulation. As discussed in the housing thread, in older properties, it almost always leads to condensation build up, as any moisture in the house has nowhere to go. I have enough of that already behind wardrobes etc. I was just going to say the same - my last place had cavity wall insulation put in by the previous owner and it was one of the main reasons that I was glad to get shot of the place. The humidity was dreadful, I had to 'hoover' the windows every morning and clothes in wardrobes were always getting mouldy. Dreadful idea. |
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Post by mikeck on Feb 4, 2022 10:57:37 GMT
Having looked in to log burners - they're a luxury more than anything. Question - has anyone had solar panels installed or insulation? I'm in an end Victorian terrace. Fucking freezing but I get the sun all day. There's a quagmire of information and I'm a bit unsure of who to trust. Defo want to invest in both, though. We moved into a new build last year with solar panels - the fucking things still haven't been registered with the correct DNO details (housing developers screwed us on this) so we're unable to take advantage of the Octopus scheme to sell energy to them. We have a load of energy stored it seems, but it's very unclear how we would benefit from it, but at least our electricity bills at the moment aren't outrageous. The bloody gas smart meters aren't sending information though (issue with British Gas who they were set-up with and we moved supplier immediately) so the credit we have gets burned through every time I send in a reading. At the moment we overpay each month on a dual-fuel tariff, but I'm still scared to see what the bump is for us as we're only fixed until the end of April... |
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Post by askew on Feb 4, 2022 11:05:18 GMT
If I park my privilege for a moment:
Amen. It's been shit since I graduated, in this chase for a 'home'.
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Post by snackplissken on Feb 4, 2022 11:47:51 GMT
Yet they probably own branded clothes, a 1k phone, 1k laptop. Shove your moaning up your ARSE.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 4, 2022 11:50:57 GMT
Yet they probably own branded clothes, a 1k phone, 1k laptop. Shove your moaning up your ARSE. I think you meant to post this on the Daily Mail comments section. It's over there... |
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Post by zephro on Feb 4, 2022 11:54:36 GMT
If I park my privilege for a moment: Amen. It's been shit since I graduated, in this chase for a 'home'. Yeah I finally left uni in 2009. It's been fucking shite the whole time. Though at least Brown was doing some sensible stuff about it. |
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Post by snackplissken on Feb 4, 2022 11:58:49 GMT
Yet they probably own branded clothes, a 1k phone, 1k laptop. Shove your moaning up your ARSE. I think you meant to post this on the Daily Mail comments section. It's over there... Pretty obvious I was joking. |
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Post by robthehermit on Feb 4, 2022 12:48:18 GMT
Took my first meter reading since Symbio went bust and transferred me to Eon. It would seem that the £42.50 a month that Eon thought I would need to pay them hasn't been sufficient to cover the £750 of electricity I've used since the 1st October. That's a chunk of change I wasn't planning on spending today.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 4, 2022 13:13:09 GMT
I think you meant to post this on the Daily Mail comments section. It's over there... Pretty obvious I was joking. Oh. Was it? My bad.  |
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Post by cubby on Feb 4, 2022 13:27:37 GMT
Bad dogbot, bad.
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Post by dogbot on Feb 4, 2022 13:31:04 GMT
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Feb 4, 2022 13:42:06 GMT
Took my first meter reading since Symbio went bust and transferred me to Eon. It would seem that the £42.50 a month that Eon thought I would need to pay them hasn't been sufficient to cover the £750 of electricity I've used since the 1st October. That's a chunk of change I wasn't planning on spending today. Blimey that's a lot. Maybe put the price of the cannabis up that you're obviously growing in the loft 😉 |
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Post by robthehermit on Feb 4, 2022 14:33:25 GMT
Took my first meter reading since Symbio went bust and transferred me to Eon. It would seem that the £42.50 a month that Eon thought I would need to pay them hasn't been sufficient to cover the £750 of electricity I've used since the 1st October. That's a chunk of change I wasn't planning on spending today. Blimey that's a lot. Maybe put the price of the cannabis up that you're obviously growing in the loft 😉 I stopped growing about 3 months before the first lot of price increases were announced. I was terrible at it and only just about covered my costs anyway. I wouldn't have a chance now. |
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