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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2023 15:28:34 GMT
Depends on your fixed rate of course. Mine is 1.89 or something so savings would outperform that I think. Not that I have anything to save.
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Post by dfunked on Jun 21, 2023 15:36:11 GMT
Aye, it can definitely work nicely for some. I've gone down the savings path myself even though it might not necessarily be the best option vs my mortgage. I can just pay off a chunk of the mortgage at the end of the saving plan's 12 months and still have access to the money before then if I need it.
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Post by technoish on Jun 21, 2023 16:01:25 GMT
So, looks I can't do regular overpayments on my mortgage, just a single lump sum up to 10% of balance in a year.
It's an offset mortgage though, and I have switched it so that instead of reducing the interest portion of the monthly payments based on what is in the offset, instead it basically does go towards paying off the balance.
So at 2.09%, for every £100 in the offset, I'm overpaying by £2.09 a month, instead of reducing the monthly payment by the same.
I see no point in doing a lump sum overpayment as opposed to putting more in the offset (which has the same effect of reducing the net mortgage balance) or in a higher than 2.09% savings account - both of which give flexibility to access the cash.
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Post by henroben on Jun 21, 2023 16:01:54 GMT
Depends on your fixed rate of course. Mine is 1.89 or something so savings would outperform that I think. Not that I have anything to save. I was always under the impression that over paying was usually the better option, especially early on in a mortgage. Mortgage repayments are mostly paying off the interest in the early stages, with a smaller percentage of the payment paying down the debt. So by overpaying you're wiping out x number of years interest on that capital you borrowed but have now paid back early. I think if you're nearing the end of your mortgage then your repayments are going to be mostly paying off the capital, so it might well make more sense to stick that overpayment cash into a savings account. I've always over paid on mine, but that's mainly to help reduce the term, and I knew that if I stuck it in some kind of savings account it would eventually just become amalgamated into general savings rather than being specifically for paying off the mortgage. I don't think there's any right answer really. Personally I think the extra security from overpaying outweighs the few extra pounds I might have got from saving it but that's just me.
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Post by sport✅ on Jun 21, 2023 16:04:35 GMT
Hold on, you guys actually have extra cash to put into a savings account??
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Post by Destria on Jun 21, 2023 16:39:53 GMT
I think it's that if you got £100 at the start of the year, you might have two options: - Pay £100 off your mortgage, which let's assume is fixed at 2% - Pay £100 into a savings account, which lets assume is now at 5%.
Paying £100 off the mortgage means you pay £2 less interest over the year, so at the end of the year your mortgage is £102 lower Saving £100 means you earn £5 over the year, so at the end of the year your savings are £105.
So the net benefit from saving versus overpaying is £3.
I think.
Of course, the benefit of overpaying is that you're less likely to "accidentally" spend your savings on random tat, speaking from experience...
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 21, 2023 16:51:43 GMT
Don't forget interest on savings will be taxed at your marginal rate.
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Post by Destria on Jun 21, 2023 16:53:47 GMT
Ah yes, that's true. You get some savings tax free, but that varies by income. You can also use an ISA to avoid that, but you might not get the best rates from them.
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Post by quadfather on Jun 21, 2023 17:22:37 GMT
You've definitely got to take advantage if you can. I know it's all over the place for lots, but one of the best things I did was just chuck everything onto the mortgage instead of spaffing it up the wall. It means that whilst it has cost me some money I'll never see again by paying for changing to a tracker mortgage so i can overpay, it means now that the increases don't really fuck me up as the mortgage is now on 15k.
Of course this is all offset by the ridiculous heating costs but you've got to just work what you can when the devil is shitting in your kettle
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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2023 17:44:24 GMT
I've not looked at overpayment on my fixed rate, but thought it was 10% over the year, regardless of how that was achieved. Might be wrong though.
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Post by ned on Jun 21, 2023 17:53:33 GMT
I suppose good thing about savings other than the higher rate than the mortgage is you can still access the money and use it for something else in an emergency. (Or spunk it on something frivolous thou)
Still not sure what to do about mine. Fixed rate expires around Aug 2025. It’s not a massive payment right now and quite comfortable relative to my take home income (less than 1/3 atm) but my salary has gone down compared to what I was on when it started (changed to less stressful job with other benefits like less commute and better work life balance).
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 21, 2023 18:00:53 GMT
Good to see a lot of people on here have money to get through this (not being sarcastic). It’s like a ticking time bomb for us. Just hoping we get an interest only deal ☹️
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Post by geefe on Jun 21, 2023 18:09:48 GMT
Clem, is a house move a possibility? I'm fairly sure you're Heatons and that is always desirable. It'd certainly give you cash.
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 21, 2023 18:16:08 GMT
Just hoping we get an interest only deal ☹️ I suspect there will be a lot of this happening in the next year or so. And more mortgages being offered for 30+ year terms too. They've always been an option, but for various reasons there market hasn't been there. Rising rates is going to create massive demand for this type of mortgage product overnight.
Banks don't want a whole load of repossessions and bankruptcy among mortgage holders. They want the income streams to continue and cash is better than trying to flog illiquid assets like housing themselves.
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Post by TheSaint on Jun 21, 2023 18:57:51 GMT
I still don’t see how continually putting up interest rates is going to kerb the spending of the generation above us who have paid off their mortgages and are now raking in interest on their savings while their homes continue to increase in value.
It feels like they are targeting a very narrow sector of the population and just hoping it will somehow eventually have an impact.
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Post by elstoof on Jun 21, 2023 19:17:01 GMT
E.On dropping the direct debit at long last, down to 280 per month from august
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 21, 2023 19:25:09 GMT
Clem, is a house move a possibility? I'm fairly sure you're Heatons and that is always desirable. It'd certainly give you cash. Yeah it’s an option, we have quite a lot of equity (£200k), but for a supposedly middle class family on a 6 figure joint salary that is a hard pill to swallow. Don’t get me wrong though I know a lot of people are in a far worse situations than us, so I shouldn’t really go on about it too much… If only I’d bloody fixed rate for 5 years instead of 2
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 21, 2023 20:10:00 GMT
I don't think anyone is going to be fixing for 5 years for quite some time to come.
I did consider for a brief moment 10 year fix about 4 years ago but I thought 3% was too high. Lolz 😰
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Post by Dougs on Jun 21, 2023 20:26:13 GMT
E.On dropping the direct debit at long last, down to 280 per month from august Yeah, mine has dropped to £220. Every little helps, to borrow a phrase from Tesco.
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Post by paulyboy81 on Jun 21, 2023 20:29:12 GMT
Same boat as everyone else.
Our fixed rate of 1.19% comes to an end this time next year. Going to get properly fucking rogered.
They offered me 10 years at 2.5%'ish last time we renewed about 3-4 years ago and I just laughed maniacally and only had eyes for the 1% deals. Dickhead.
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Post by geefe on Jun 21, 2023 21:02:25 GMT
Clem, is a house move a possibility? I'm fairly sure you're Heatons and that is always desirable. It'd certainly give you cash. Yeah it’s an option, we have quite a lot of equity (£200k), but for a supposedly middle class family on a 6 figure joint salary that is a hard pill to swallow. Don’t get me wrong though I know a lot of people are in a far worse situations than us, so I shouldn’t really go on about it too much… If only I’d bloody fixed rate for 5 years instead of 2 I suppose it's weighing it up. Is it the house you value or can you recreate the "magic" so to speak elsewhere? Would you be comfortable in a smaller house but more manageable financially? I'd genuinely consider it if you think your family will be so hampered by the issue. I have yet to truly see house prices drop, as well.
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Post by Nemesis on Jun 21, 2023 21:48:01 GMT
Halifax offered me a chance to lock in a fixed rate mortgage 6 months early; so at the mo I'm at the nice monthy and then onto the 4.7% 2 year from December. God knows what it'll be in a couple of years, but I'll have about 10 years left on the mortgage so there's that at least.
I'm more fed up with the service charges (heyoo) which has doubled. The cover letter kindly informed us they only put it up 8% this year when it should've been 11. When you look at the details 1/3 of the bill is management fees. At some point it'll come under the spotlight, but when people are making easy money it's funny how that slides.
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Post by Zomoniac on Jun 21, 2023 23:15:02 GMT
Just hoping we get an interest only deal ☹️ I suspect there will be a lot of this happening in the next year or so. And more mortgages being offered for 30+ year terms too. They've always been an option, but for various reasons there market hasn't been there. Rising rates is going to create massive demand for this type of mortgage product overnight.
Banks don't want a whole load of repossessions and bankruptcy among mortgage holders. They want the income streams to continue and cash is better than trying to flog illiquid assets like housing themselves.
We went for the longest possible mortgage a couple of years ago as it protects you against a scenario like this. We have a 1.7% five year fix that ends March 2026, but we took a 33 year mortgage at £1100pm and pay back £1800pm, which at current rate would clear it in 17 years, except unlike with a 17 year mortgage we have the option of not overpaying for a bit if the situation requires it. My financial paranoia is rarely justified, but I feel like this time it will be. Always get the longest mortgage possible and overpay it, just in case.
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 22, 2023 8:00:19 GMT
The expectation that you need to eventually pay the cpatial off is also putting costs up more than they need to. Sure it's nice to be mortgage free, but in reality most people eventually either downsize or take equity release. As long as you have equity enough to cover them, that's fine. Fuck it, 100 year interest only mortgages. Why not?
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 22, 2023 8:02:54 GMT
Ofc, negative equity is a thing too. That's inevitably coming down the track as well, as house prices are inversely related to interest rates. But that's a problem for next year! (Or maybe last quarter this one)
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Post by geefe on Jun 22, 2023 8:32:18 GMT
From what I can tell, the only house price drops are the ones that were stupidly high in the first place. Round my way there's nothing on the market.
There's a chunk of flats in an old mill that aren't shifting. Probably because the vendors want £110k for them, when they have a £270 pcm service charge and £1000 a year ground rent.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 22, 2023 8:51:48 GMT
The expectation that you need to eventually pay the cpatial off is also putting costs up more than they need to. Sure it's nice to be mortgage free, but in reality most people eventually either downsize or take equity release. As long as you have equity enough to cover them, that's fine. Fuck it, 100 year interest only mortgages. Why not? With a 100 year interest only mortgage, aren't you essentially just renting from the bank? I suppose that's what we're doing anyway with the hope that one day we escape.
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Post by Chopsen on Jun 22, 2023 9:03:16 GMT
Sorta. Except:
1. In the actual rental market rents almost always go up, in line with inflation/wages/property prices.
2. In an interest only repayment, none of those apply. It only goes up with interest rates, and they can go down as well. 10+ years in it's going to be way cheaper than renting which is where the opportunity cost/benefit is.
3. Security of tenure. You're not going to evict yourself. You can redecorate, have pets.
4. Over 20 or 30 years there will be equity due to rises in property values, probably. Historically even during market crashes they have more than recovered in that time frame. That is your money, not the banks.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Jun 22, 2023 11:01:31 GMT
Up .5% then 😲
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 22, 2023 15:14:07 GMT
Genuinely hesitating to share this because I know that people are suffering.
I've just got off the phone with Coventry because I'd completely forgotten my mortgage details. Apparently I fixed at 2.45% for 10 years in 2019. A few months of data for the solar panels and new batteries are in too and my bill for May will be £15 and June is on track to be about £10 (just the standing charge). Gas use will be down too due to the hot water being done by the solar but I've no way of calculating that
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