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Post by Bill in the rain on Jul 14, 2023 6:34:10 GMT
I doubt the old stuff will run on modern systems without faff, so it's unlikely to appear unless they already have a working version somewhere.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 14, 2023 7:08:08 GMT
I didn’t realise Activision had bought up Sierra and Infocom properties.
I’d love to somehow reboot Zork or Leather Goddesses of Phobos.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 14, 2023 7:21:13 GMT
Yeah, all the licensed stuff is a no go. I mean just a basic understanding of how licensing works would tell you that stuff will not be released on Gamepass. Not necessarily. Star Wars games are available through EA Play (and some also through PC Gamepass, as you get the basic EA play sub with Gamepass). I just took a glance and the Pro tier actually includes non-EA Star Wars games going all the way back to Dark Forces and X-Wing. If they wanted to include Star Trek games on Gamepass, I'm sure they could. I expect they aren't going to be that interested in sorting out a deal to do that for the Star Trek games though. As Bill says, there is also a lot of stuff there that will likely need a lot of faff to get working on modern systems, which I would expect them to not bother with.
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Post by askew on Jul 14, 2023 7:23:06 GMT
Oh no: leave folks to what they’re good at. But this is also worse for the consumer, right? Would need to pay yet another organisation.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 14, 2023 7:24:12 GMT
Yeah, that list is a bizarre incomplete wishlist from someone with a thin grasp on reality.
We'll probably see any current gen games and previous gen that are already BC appear on game pass (with exceptions for anything with licensing issues), plus whatever is on battle.net will shift to the MS store at some point. Anything more than that and I wouldn't hold my breath. We're not getting Diablo 1 FFS.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 14, 2023 7:28:50 GMT
Diablo 1 is on PC Battle.net. I don't see any reason why it won't be on PC Gamepass.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 14, 2023 7:44:04 GMT
They’re quite tightly integrated with battlenet aren’t they? It won’t be a simple lift and shift to put them on the shitty MS service for sure.
We might get them, but probably not any time soon. I wonder if there might be a check the other way: attach the Xbox account to battlenet and it unlocks stuff if you have GP? Possibly.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 14, 2023 7:53:06 GMT
Vandelay - haha, oops! For some reason I thought it was only on GoG! I'll be playing that for old times sakes then!
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 14, 2023 8:10:07 GMT
Vandelay - haha, oops! For some reason I thought it was only on GoG! I'll be playing that for old times sakes then! Oh, my oops actually. It isn't on Battle.net. My copy is the GoG one. Still, I'm sure they could include it on Gamepass if they wanted to (I expect Diablo 1-3 will be available within a few months of the merger being sorted, but 4 will be a year or so after). As for the games being integrated with Battle.net, they could just require you to have both launchers installed. Not certain, but I expect there are already games on Gamepass that require another launcher. A more elegant solution might come along later.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 14, 2023 8:14:48 GMT
Yeah, it'll probably be the same as they've done with EA Access (and whatever their launcher is called these days) Not a full lift and shift, but just somewhat integrated and you'll see all of your games in the Xbox app.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 14, 2023 8:19:51 GMT
Yeah, all the licensed stuff is a no go. I mean just a basic understanding of how licensing works would tell you that stuff will not be released on Gamepass. Not necessarily. Star Wars games are available through EA Play (and some also through PC Gamepass, as you get the basic EA play sub with Gamepass). I just took a glance and the Pro tier actually includes non-EA Star Wars games going all the way back to Dark Forces and X-Wing. If they wanted to include Star Trek games on Gamepass, I'm sure they could. I expect they aren't going to be that interested in sorting out a deal to do that for the Star Trek games though. As Bill says, there is also a lot of stuff there that will likely need a lot of faff to get working on modern systems, which I would expect them to not bother with. They're only there because EA still has a licence to sell them. I think we know at this point what Activision cares about and what they don't care about and how much effort they're going to put into something.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 14, 2023 8:27:00 GMT
Oh totally. I was more saying that if they wanted to they could make it happen. Licensing issues would add a bit of blocker, but not an entirely insurmountable one.
As you say though, I doubt they would care enough to do that. Not just because of Activision's apathy. I don't expect there is really much of a market for Star Trek games. They weren't well regarded at the time, unlike the Star Wars games, many of which are still considered classics.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 14, 2023 8:34:45 GMT
I wasn't even thinking about Star Trek because I know Activision wouldn't even go there. I was thinking more Marvel and Bond stuff which are just dead abandonware now. Especially as Activision had the Marvel licence taken away from them because the quality was so bad.
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Post by Vandelay on Jul 14, 2023 8:40:48 GMT
I'm not even sure if many of the Marvel and Bond stuff came out on PC, so likely would require a lot of work to get on PC, let alone getting it on a modern Xbox. The Trek stuff were at least PC games, many of them also have GoG versions now, so technically much easier to get running.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 14, 2023 9:08:29 GMT
I'd love it if they just did a Quake/GoldenEye style rerelease of Klingon Honour Guard and the Voyager games.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 14, 2023 9:17:35 GMT
I wonder if MS would let devs like Raven and High Moon out of CoD jail?
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Post by britesparc on Jul 14, 2023 10:12:24 GMT
I wonder if MS would let devs like Raven and High Moon out of CoD jail? God, I hope so; that's one of the reasons I've been broadly positive about this deal. Regarding them allegedly selling off the entire cloud game option to another company, that would indeed suck. There's no way I'm changing mobile or broadband provider just for cloud gaming, so it would effectively cut off a service that I already own, or incur additional charges if you wanted to keep it up. I genuinely don't see how this is good for the consumer and further evidence that the CMA has botched this a little bit.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jul 14, 2023 10:21:31 GMT
Oh no: leave folks to what they’re good at. But this is also worse for the consumer, right? Would need to pay yet another organisation. How in fucks name is this good for a consumer?! How in fucks name is this good for a telecoms company? To resell a cloud service?!
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Post by britesparc on Jul 14, 2023 10:23:34 GMT
Yeah, it's fucked up. Bad move all round if that's how it ends up panning out.
Keep Acti games off cloud if you have to but don't lose the feature entirely.
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Post by robthehermit on Jul 14, 2023 10:25:26 GMT
You mean the same CMA who think cloud gaming is bad for consumers who can't afford to buy expensive consoles?
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Post by robthehermit on Jul 14, 2023 10:33:43 GMT
I'd be alright if they partnered up for streaming services. Other peoples experiences may vary, but having pissed about with Ubisoft+ for a bit, their games run way better through Luna than anything I've run via xCloud. Mostly I just use to see if it's worth downloading a game. If I am really determined to have an inferior gaming experience, console streaming via the Xbox app is about the only way to have anything from Microsoft running at a playable level. Also until you can play any game you own digitally and not just their curated library then the service as a whole is mostly pointless.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jul 14, 2023 10:49:30 GMT
Yeah, it's fucked up. Bad move all round if that's how it ends up panning out. Keep Acti games off cloud if you have to but don't lose the feature entirely. It won't be global either, I bet it will just be for the UK.
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Post by britesparc on Jul 14, 2023 10:55:17 GMT
Oh yeah, that's what the rumours say at the moment; that we're about to be dicked out of a service that will exist in almost every other Xbox market.
I don't even use cloud gaming all that much. It's next to useless for anything that requires speed and precision - Halo or Forza - but it's nice for turn-based games, puzzlers that don't require twitch reflexes (eg Peggle), or slow-paced adventures or 2D RPGs.
What it's BRILLIANT for, though, is just trying stuff out; it's like demoing a game before you install it. And so many of the Xbox rewards challenges are either "play game X" or something relatively simple like "get 50 points in game Y" that being able to stream the game rather than download it is a HUGE plus.
The fact that the UK might lose this existing service due to the CMA is really annoying.
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Post by dfunked on Jul 14, 2023 11:00:13 GMT
Yeah, it's ace for just dipping in for a quick look at something slow paced like Flight Sim rather than freeing up space. Twitchy shooters not so much. It worked surprisingly well for FH5 mind you, but then I've never been all that bothered by input lag unless it's really noticeable.
Pretty handy for the Steam Deck too.
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Post by robthehermit on Jul 14, 2023 11:24:41 GMT
TIL:
Smith said the cloud gaming market in the UK right now is "so small," adding that Microsoft's server network in the UK doesn't allow for more than 5,000 concurrent users.
Doesn't seem like a lot.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jul 14, 2023 11:39:10 GMT
This is a very stupid, weird decision. I thought it would have been better to offer as a perk to your phone subscription for the phone companies not make one whole company the gatekeeper of it. Not consumer friendly in the slightest.
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Post by Phattso on Jul 14, 2023 11:57:45 GMT
I thought the root issue here was, specifically, ActiBlizz properties (and, let's be honest, only really CoD) being on the cloud? They don't have to jettison the whole thing and all those thousands of other games if they don't want to.
Smacks of gamesmanship to make the CMA look silly.
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Post by robthehermit on Jul 14, 2023 14:03:29 GMT
I like that one of the reasons the FTC is appealing the decision is because it will look bad if they lose.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2023 14:38:47 GMT
I like that one of the reasons the FTC is appealing the decision is because it will look bad if they lose. Considering that’s Sony’s whole motivation, it makes sense. They’re ride or dying this whole stupid thing.
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Post by aubergine on Jul 14, 2023 14:52:43 GMT
So where exactly would people draw the line? Given Microsoft’s a trillion dollar company, they could potentially go around absorbing whoever they please. EA is worth a mere 35 billion, would that be too far? Take Two? I doubt Microsoft could ever buy Nintendo but it would be cheaper than Activision Blizzard.
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