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Post by Ulythium on Jun 26, 2023 8:33:36 GMT
For various reasons, not everyone can afford to do that, "grown adult" or not.
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Post by dfunked on Jun 26, 2023 8:40:22 GMT
You don't necessarily need to buy the series X to play it. £170 for a like new Series S from Amazon warehouse. Couple of months of game pass and away you go.
Obviously still not ideal, but there are options that don't cost £600.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 26, 2023 8:59:46 GMT
Exactly, if you really want to play it and can't afford a console, get a game pass sub and use xcloud on pretty much any computer.
Also not to mention, if you're a grown adult you shouldn't be devasted that you can't get a game purely cause it's on a console that you can't afford or didn't chose to buy.
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 26, 2023 9:04:37 GMT
dfunked Agreed - there are affordable ways around it, even if they're still sub-optimal. mcmonkeyplc I don't really get this empathy-free, " All 'grown adults' should feel [X] way about [Y]" stuff, but you do you, I guess.
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Post by Derblington on Jun 26, 2023 9:09:57 GMT
Sure. There are obviously factors at play that you may not have anticipated though, like 1st party buying the company whos game you were excited to play when you chose your ecosystem, etc. Swapping systems isn't as clear cut anymore, something that Spencer recognises himself when he said:
But, yes, generally, missing out on any videogame isn't something that you should get upset about.
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Post by ekz on Jun 26, 2023 9:10:14 GMT
Bit of an odd take that, especially in the current economic climate
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 26, 2023 9:15:27 GMT
Sure. There are obviously factors at play that you may not have anticipated though, like 1st party buying the company whos game you were excited to play when you chose your ecosystem, etc.
Exactly - the situation with Starfield isn't akin to, say, buying a PlayStation and then being pissy that you can't play Halo on it, or purchasing an Xbox before getting huffy that the Uncharted games are outside your chosen ecosystem.
Regardless of who's making them, each of these acquisitions (big and small) shifts the goalposts quite dramatically.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 26, 2023 9:22:58 GMT
I read this and just think that this is a reason to resist going digital. We shouldn't feel tied to one system just because we would lose access to a massive pile of nebulous data held by that company that creates that platform. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 26, 2023 9:25:14 GMT
dfunked Agreed - there are affordable ways around it, even if they're still sub-optimal. mcmonkeyplc I don't really get this empathy-free, " All 'grown adults' should feel [X] way about [Y]" stuff, but you do you, I guess. I didn't mean to sound cold, just my opinion that missing out on a game isn't that big a deal. Sure when I was a teenager or younger adult it was more important, not anymore. Maybe it still for some people I guess. |
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Post by technoish on Jun 26, 2023 9:41:42 GMT
You will be able to play Starfield on any laptop, phone or tablet  |
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 26, 2023 9:44:15 GMT
mcmonkeyplc We all have different priorities, mate. And hey, for whatever little it's worth, I completely agree with you... in principle, at least. Should I, as a grown-ass man, be upset about missing out on a video game? Hell no! It's totally irrational. Thing is, for all our much-vaunted intelligence and rationality, we're still prone to caring way too much about dumb shit. (Well, *I* am, anyway - I shouldn't speak for everyone.) I sometimes pop into the Premier League thread, see the raw emotion - both positive and negative - on display, and think, "C'mon, guys - it's a bunch of overpaid prima donnas kicking a spherical piece of leather around a field for an hour and a half! It doesn't matter that much!" But it obviously does matter to them, and while I don't really 'get' it, I'm not about to tell them they're wrong.
(I don't think it's just an age thing, either, but that's a whole new can of worms.)
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2023 9:46:19 GMT
Don't look at any of monkeys posts in that thread he is a fucking shambles haha
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 26, 2023 9:49:47 GMT
Oh, bugger - I wasn't even aware of that!
I honestly didn't bring up the football thread as a dig at you, Monk. I was just trying to think of an example of something that's important to others that I simply don't 'get'.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 9:57:15 GMT
What is your problem with monkey
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 26, 2023 10:02:20 GMT
Oh, bugger - I wasn't even aware of that! I honestly didn't bring up the football thread as a dig at you, Monk. I was just trying to think of an example of something that's important to others that I simply don't 'get'. No worries, it's a perfectly good example actually. Grown men crying about something they shouldn't I don't cry though...I shout  |
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Post by Frog on Jun 26, 2023 10:03:27 GMT
You do cry a bit as well  |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Jun 26, 2023 10:07:14 GMT
Fine, I whine |
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Post by hedben on Jun 26, 2023 10:20:15 GMT
People who are really into videogames forget that not everyone obsesses over their hobby as much as they do. I reckon there are plenty of people out there with a PS5 who would kind of like to play Starfield, and are a bit bummed out that they can't, but wouldn't even consider buying a second console or playing it on cloud. To them it's just not available on their machine, end of story.
Whereas on the other end of the spectrum, you have videogame journalists or podcasters who own PS5 and an Xbox because of their job, and forget that a lot of their audience have had to choose between them. I'm fed of up hearing people say they hope Lies of P isn't "just a Bloodborne clone" - as an Xbox owner who loves Fromsoft games and has never played Bloodborne, I'd love it if Lies Of P is exactly that!
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 10:22:09 GMT
For the record, I'm a grown man who could definitely find a way to play Starfield if I really wanted to. The reason it's annoying is that we all know the reason it's exclusive is so cynical. It's not like Halo, Gears, Forza and... Viva Pinata where you should never have any realistic expectation that the game would come to other platforms. Plenty of people could have invested in a PS5 with the reasonable assumption that Bethesda's games would continue to be available on it, now the rug has been pulled out and MS paid $7.5 billion to do it. And the Activision deal is orders of magnitude bigger than even that.
It just feels like a "fuck you, now you'll HAVE to buy an Xbox".
And yes I accept that all the platforms do this to an extent but it's fair to say that this is way more out there.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 26, 2023 10:25:07 GMT
I read this and just think that this is a reason to resist going digital. We shouldn't feel tied to one system just because we would lose access to a massive pile of nebulous data held by that company that creates that platform. You can still play everything unless you get rid of the console, in which case you couldn't play the games you had on disc either |
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 26, 2023 10:39:32 GMT
For the record, I'm a grown man who could definitely find a way to play Starfield if I really wanted to. The reason it's annoying is that we all know the reason it's exclusive is so cynical. It's not like Halo, Gears, Forza and... Viva Pinata where you should never have any realistic expectation that the game would come to other platforms. Plenty of people could have invested in a PS5 with the reasonable assumption that Bethesda's games would continue to be available on it, now the rug has been pulled out and MS paid $7.5 billion to do it. And the Activision deal is orders of magnitude bigger than even that. It just feels like a "fuck you, now you'll HAVE to buy an Xbox". And yes I accept that all the platforms do this to an extent but it's fair to say that this is way more out there. I agree with most of this but also expected to be able to play Final Fantasy games on my Xbox when I bought one too. |
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 10:46:04 GMT
You’re not wrong but it’s obvious that deal was a reaction to all this, since we’re talking about why the two things are looked at differently. It just goes to show how stuff like this is bad for everyone
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 26, 2023 10:55:39 GMT
You’re not wrong but it’s obvious that deal was a reaction to all this, since we’re talking about why the two things are looked at differently. It just goes to show how stuff like this is bad for everyone That may be the case for FF16 was but FF7 was locked in as 'exclusive' a fair bit of time before the MS/Acti announcement. Couldn't agree more with your second point though. |
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 26, 2023 11:02:37 GMT
I read this and just think that this is a reason to resist going digital. We shouldn't feel tied to one system just because we would lose access to a massive pile of nebulous data held by that company that creates that platform. You can still play everything unless you get rid of the console, in which case you couldn't play the games you had on disc either True, but you are also disagreeing with Spencer's claim there. He is suggesting people aren't going to choose to go to XBox if they purchased a bunch of digital games on PlayStation a generation ago. As you say, the problem only exists if you are getting rid of the console you purchased those games on in the first place. I have no idea on the stats, but I would guess most people don't keep hold of old consoles when moving to the next gen (or plan to sell it at some point), so I can certainly see the digital games tied to their account being a factor in deciding which system to go with. Either way, if we accept his suggestion, then, as I say, I view that as equally an argument against digital. Owning physical games that might be playable on the new system would also come into the decision, but you at least also have the option of selling those to help buy new games. No option of that with the digital copies. |
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 26, 2023 11:07:27 GMT
I can personally testify that the Premier League thread is always positive and upbeat, I am also one the leading positive posters.
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Post by Psiloc on Jun 26, 2023 11:19:46 GMT
You’re not wrong but it’s obvious that deal was a reaction to all this, since we’re talking about why the two things are looked at differently. It just goes to show how stuff like this is bad for everyone That may be the case for FF16 was but FF7 was locked in as 'exclusive' a fair bit of time before the MS/Acti announcement. Couldn't agree more with your second point though. No-one knows for sure but some say that Square are actually already legally free to release VIIR on Xbox but have chosen not to, there's nothing publically available that says it's not just a timed exclusive. A few recent FF/SE games haven't come to Xbox despite being available on everything else and there being no exclusivity agreement with anyone. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 26, 2023 11:25:57 GMT
Didn't Atlus just announce an SMT JRPG exlsuive to Xbox? That's a weird one
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 26, 2023 11:47:46 GMT
You can still play everything unless you get rid of the console, in which case you couldn't play the games you had on disc either True, but you are also disagreeing with Spencer's claim there. He is suggesting people aren't going to choose to go to XBox if they purchased a bunch of digital games on PlayStation a generation ago. As you say, the problem only exists if you are getting rid of the console you purchased those games on in the first place. I have no idea on the stats, but I would guess most people don't keep hold of old consoles when moving to the next gen (or plan to sell it at some point), so I can certainly see the digital games tied to their account being a factor in deciding which system to go with. Either way, if we accept his suggestion, then, as I say, I view that as equally an argument against digital. Owning physical games that might be playable on the new system would also come into the decision, but you at least also have the option of selling those to help buy new games. No option of that with the digital copies. Sounds like more an issue of perception rather than reality. You can still switch back the following generation and have access to everything again (assuming it's BC) or buy a cheap second hand console if you got rid of it and have to play some old games but don't want to buy them again and it'll all be there waiting for you. You don't have to store all the boxes in the meantime |
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Post by Derblington on Jun 26, 2023 12:23:17 GMT
It's not just digital games though, it's the systems around that too - the UX of the console family and controller, trophy history, friend lists, reward programs. It's all designed, now more than ever, to keep you invested in one place and it works.
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Post by Zyrr on Jun 26, 2023 13:28:38 GMT
It's always been like this to an extent (Sega v Nintendo, anyone?) and I expect it will only get worse from now on as Sony and Microsoft try to buy up or buy exclusivity to every major player left in the industry.
It sucks and ultimately it feels extremely anti-consumer, but I don't see how there's a way back to the multiplatform days of old at this point. It'll just be the Indies left in 5 years time.
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