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Post by Ulythium on Mar 9, 2023 13:03:52 GMT
Not to mention all the crap they pulled while they were dominating the PS4/Xbone era - being douchey over mods for Bethesda games, acting as though cross-platform play would somehow dilute the PlayStation brand by making PS players hobnob with the riffraff on Xbox, and saying "Backwards compati-WHAT, now?" while Xbox owners happily played older games on their Ones.
Yeah, whichever company is on top almost invariably acts like a twat.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 9, 2023 13:07:46 GMT
Well I was certain I was getting the ps5 before all the full announcements as I loved my PS4 and wasn't a fan of the Xbox one at all but as soon as they said £70 in the UK I knew I'd never do that when the competition were doing a decent job with game pass. I've played so many amazing games on game pass I'd never have bought, it really is amazing. Hi fi rush being the latest example but also loads of indie games etc. Sony trying to block this is just fucking over millions of pc and Xbox pass users who want mor egames on their sub. It certainly doesn't stop sonys No1 position. Nearly all the games in this merger don't appeal to me at all but it's been annoying seeing how petty Sony have been acting when they always say 4 the players bs. Yeah £70 is for the players and their shite multi tier sub is for the players and their strangle hold on the marketplace like apple is totally for the players as well.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 13:10:23 GMT
Really? With the launch price of the PS5, £70 games, 'upgrade path' troubles and the like? I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, more reiterating what Derblington said half hour ago - whoever's on top is an ass. The pricing stuff is interesting. It's like the digital vs disc stuff at the start of the last gen. - there is an agreed direction that everyone will move in, and then a rug-pull by whoever announces last. MS were onboard with the pricing changes, they've just held out longest to implement. It was an industry change, not instigated by Sony. but the perception is very different due to how it played out. |
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 13:13:21 GMT
Well I was certain I was getting the ps5 before all the full announcements as I loved my PS4 and wasn't a fan of the Xbox one at all but as soon as they said £70 in the UK I knew I'd never do that when the competition were doing a decent job with game pass. I've played so many amazing games on game pass I'd never have bought, it really is amazing. Hi fi rush being the latest example but also loads of indie games etc. Sony trying to block this is just fucking over millions of pc and Xbox pass users who want mor egames on their sub. It certainly doesn't stop sonys No1 position. Nearly all the games in this merger don't appeal to me at all but it's been annoying seeing how petty Sony have been acting when they always say 4 the players bs. Yeah £70 is for the players and their shite multi tier sub is for the players and their strangle hold on the marketplace like apple is totally for the players as well. It's for their players. Same as MS's " we want more gamers to play our games" but they don't intend to put Forza and Halo on PS. None of them do anything for the broadest gaming market, they do things for their gaming markets. And as such, they also try to protect them. That's all this is. |
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 13:20:12 GMT
Really? With the launch price of the PS5, £70 games, 'upgrade path' troubles and the like? I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, more reiterating what Derblington said half hour ago - whoever's on top is an ass. PS5 cost the same as Xbox Series X here. I’ve yet to pay overmuch for a game (but in fairness I’ve yet to buy Returnal because it’s too expensive). I’m not sure what you mean by “upgrade path troubles”. Microsoft sound like they’ve done a great job with backwards compatibility, which is commendable. That whole thing about whoever’s on top being a dick, is it not also that whoever’s lagging will kiss your ass? Microsoft invested a lot to win people over with 360 and were given a huge advantage by Kutaragi’s hubris with PS3, but then Microsoft started to parlay that advantage into their own hubris with the 360’s constant UI changes toward the end, putting ads on the dashboard and so on, then were so overconfident with Xbox One they kindly offered to skullfuck people with this poorly designed Kinect always-online home surveillance TV TV cockfest they’d somehow cooked up while they weren’t making games. Sony crushed them just by having good games and making a console that wasn’t stupid, and I think PS5 crushed Xbox 4 because they STILL have good games, and Microsoft has just about fuck all. A Halo game that may have fizzled. So they are brute forcing their lack of finesse in the gaming space through Game Pass, and massive acquisitions, and Sony are absolutely right to fight them as hard as possible. Microsoft absolutely can’t be trusted with this much power over the whole industry, they’ve never earned it. Their OS and Office monopoly was never based on quality but on strongarm tactics. The gaming near-monopoly they may well succeed at making will be the same. |
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Post by dogbot on Mar 9, 2023 13:23:26 GMT
If only MS people were paying £70 a game and not £4 a month, maybe they wouldn't have just had to lay off thousands of staff...
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People arguing over which corporation is better is like having a shit flinging contest. Whether you win or not, you're still covered in shit.
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Post by Cappy on Mar 9, 2023 13:27:35 GMT
Eh, Sony absolutely did all these things throughout the PS2 era. Not at all. Sony never really strong armed third parties. They only prominent instance I ever found of Sony 'denying' a game to users of other platforms was SCEE who decided they wanted Sands of Time to carry a PS2 console bundle. Yeah, if you lived in Europe and didn't import games that was bummer if you had a Gamecube or Xbox. A few weeks after six month exclusivity elapsed I picked up a brand new Gamecube copy for £15, so on the plus side I got a massive discount courtesy of Ubisoft and Sony.
That's nothing like Nintendo telling third parties you either make games for the Famicom or you make games for the Master System, you only get to choose one. Sony could easily have done that but they didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 13:29:05 GMT
Would be cool if MS put the same amount of money and effort into actually making some games as they did subsidising a free game service or attempting to buy up the competition. The 360 was great but since then they've been about as appealing to me as doing the weekly shop in Home Bargains.
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 9, 2023 13:31:46 GMT
What dogbot said - they're both as bad as one another, and neither company gives a flying fuck about its customers beyond the contents of their wallets. I say this as someone who's only ever had a PlayStation (PS4 and PS5), and doesn't much like the acquisition arms race that's going on right now regardless of which corporate behemoth is doing the buying. Where the ActiBlizz deal in particular is concerned, I can't say I care either way. For one thing, the only Activision game I own is Sekiro (and they only published that); for another, the Rubicon was crossed for me when Microsoft bought Bethesda. |
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 9, 2023 13:34:38 GMT
Really? With the launch price of the PS5, £70 games, 'upgrade path' troubles and the like? I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, more reiterating what Derblington said half hour ago - whoever's on top is an ass. PS5 cost the same as Xbox Series X here. I’ve yet to pay overmuch for a game (but in fairness I’ve yet to buy Returnal because it’s too expensive). I’m not sure what you mean by “upgrade path troubles”. Microsoft sound like they’ve done a great job with backwards compatibility, which is commendable. That whole thing about whoever’s on top being a dick, is it not also that whoever’s lagging will kiss your ass? Microsoft invested a lot to win people over with 360 and were given a huge advantage by Kutaragi’s hubris with PS3, but then Microsoft started to parlay that advantage into their own hubris with the 360’s constant UI changes toward the end, putting ads on the dashboard and so on, then were so overconfident with Xbox One they kindly offered to skullfuck people with this poorly designed Kinect always-online home surveillance TV TV cockfest they’d somehow cooked up while they weren’t making games. Sony crushed them just by having good games and making a console that wasn’t stupid, and I think PS5 crushed Xbox 4 because they STILL have good games, and Microsoft has just about fuck all. A Halo game that may have fizzled. So they are brute forcing their lack of finesse in the gaming space through Game Pass, and massive acquisitions, and Sony are absolutely right to fight them as hard as possible. Microsoft absolutely can’t be trusted with this much power over the whole industry, they’ve never earned it. Their OS and Office monopoly was never based on quality but on strongarm tactics. The gaming near-monopoly they may well succeed at making will be the same. I'm not arguing that the deal should go through (I'd rather it didn't and I've got three years of Gamepass left), just that seeing one corporation after your money as 'better' than the other is a bit daft. |
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 13:39:45 GMT
Come on. Seeing all organisations, their cultures, their decisions, as uniformly generic or unable to be rated against each other is daft. Reductive. Newscorp is a corporation after your money.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 9, 2023 13:40:18 GMT
I always find it weird when people choose to align themselves to a faceless multinational company. SEGA for life. One day we will get that Dreamcast 2. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 13:41:20 GMT
Would be cool if MS put the same amount of money and effort into actually making some games as they did subsidising a free game service or attempting to buy up the competition. Tbh, if it was a binary choice between gamepass or sony exclusives, which I suppose it is for most people, I'd take gamepass every time. |
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Post by gibroon on Mar 9, 2023 13:47:14 GMT
I can understand the sting of paying £70 for a new game but are we really that surprised? Everything has become more expensive, if you don't pay top dollar for games now and again, you can kiss this industry goodbye. If you are smart enough you can get £70 game for £62 without too much effort. Most companies put out games at £60 in the last gen. It really is not too much more.
I didn't buy Horizon:FW when it got released due to Elden Ring being out a week later. Now I am playing it for "free" on PS Extra, I am quite happy with that kind of timeline for a first party game to be added to a subscription model.
I may well purchase GP for Starfield on PC when it is released. I wouldn't pay £70 for that as I am pretty sure it will be mess on launch. I could well be wrong but Bethesda are hardly know for quality control when releasing games.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 13:59:30 GMT
I can understand the sting of paying £70 for a new game but are we really that surprised? Everything has become more expensive, if you don't pay top dollar for games now and again, you can kiss this industry goodbye. - nobody asked for games to be 70 quid - nobody asked for game companies to be mega-behemoths that need games to be 70 quid to satisy their shareholder returns - the industry is going nowhere, its easier than ever to make and publish games and in a lot of ways they have never been cheaper if you shop outside the premium tier - there are more games being produced than ever before. if the 70 tier vanished entirely, there would still be more games produced than you could ever play in a lifetime - games shouldnt cost 70 quid |
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Post by gibroon on Mar 9, 2023 14:04:59 GMT
You know a block of cheese that cost £3 last year, shouldn't cost £5 this year but there we go.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 14:07:19 GMT
Thats obviously a very cheese to videosgames comparison
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Post by dogbot on Mar 9, 2023 14:11:16 GMT
You know a block of cheese that cost £3 last year, shouldn't cost £5 this year but there we go. Was it Cheddar or Edam, though? |
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Post by gibroon on Mar 9, 2023 14:13:05 GMT
Edam if I know
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 9, 2023 14:18:07 GMT
You can't brie serious with that level of shit joke. |
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Post by gibroon on Mar 9, 2023 14:18:49 GMT
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 9, 2023 14:19:24 GMT
Play nice, Jambo - I Camembert it when you guys fight.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 9, 2023 14:22:28 GMT
I remember my parents buying me Street Fighter 2 and Aladdin at £60 each in 1992. No wonder we didn't get anything else that Christmas. Felt the sting myself when buying Mario 64 at £60 years later. |
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Post by JonFE on Mar 9, 2023 14:35:36 GMT
Eh, Sony absolutely did all these things throughout the PS2 era. Not at all. Sony never really strong armed third parties. They only prominent instance I ever found of Sony 'denying' a game to users of other platforms was SCEE who decided they wanted Sands of Time to carry a PS2 console bundle. Yeah, if you lived in Europe and didn't import games that was bummer if you had a Gamecube or Xbox. A few weeks after six month exclusivity elapsed I picked up a brand new Gamecube copy for £15, so on the plus side I got a massive discount courtesy of Ubisoft and Sony.
That's nothing like Nintendo telling third parties you either make games for the Famicom or you make games for the Master System, you only get to choose one. Sony could easily have done that but they didn't.
IIRC, Beyond Good and Evil had a similar PS2 exclusivity in EU at that time... |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 9, 2023 14:36:18 GMT
That was a really stupid thing to say, they're basically trying to abuse the competition whilst being the dominant player. Dumb fucks. Microsoft has a market capitalisation of 1.89 trillion dollars, second highest in the world. Sony is at 125th with 109 billion. Sony are dominating games because they are good at it, put the work in, and deserve it. Microsoft are trailing because they are fucking shit, they started shit, and the minute they got good, they shat right in it and now all they can do is spend Sony’s entire worth on every huge company they can. Their best strategy had been to use their immense OS Monopoly wealth to make new games cost fuck all via Game Pass, which I expect to destroy the industry because consumers reach for cheapest shiny thing. Talking like Microsoft are the underdog here is completely insane. You seem to have taken a side in a battle between two conglomerates. Aren't we a little old for my console company is better than yours? |
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Post by theguy on Mar 9, 2023 14:37:19 GMT
I'd rather games be £70 than stuffed with microtransactions honestly. I think most of MS's first party titles carry them. Not that I actually buy games at £70 mind
I think they all do cuntish things but Microsoft are awful when they begin strongarming in any industry and they've been buying a bunch of devs up as is.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 14:39:57 GMT
I enjoy the 'a thing used to be expensive so should still be expensive' game as much as anyone but I always get stuck on all the things that have maintained or reduced in price as economies of scale and refinement of production techniques have improved. And then I look around my room and wonder why everything in it, electronics, furniture, clothes, and all of my entertainment media has maintained in price or got cheaper bar video games and think it may be because gamers for some reason not only defend the high prices but, confusingly, advocate for them on videogames forums. |
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Post by paulyboy81 on Mar 9, 2023 14:41:32 GMT
We need them both really.
There's probably a good argument to be made that Sony of today wouldn't exist in its current form without a behemoth like Microsoft breathing down their necks.
Either one left to their own devices in this industry would happily Dirty Sanchez your mum whilst charging you £100 for a (probably shit) game.
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Post by gibroon on Mar 9, 2023 14:49:46 GMT
I enjoy the 'a thing used to be expensive so should still be expensive' game as much as anyone but I always get stuck on all the things that have maintained or reduced in price as economies of scale and refinement of production techniques have improved. And then I look around my room and wonder why everything in it, electronics, furniture, clothes, and all of my entertainment media has maintained in price or got cheaper bar video games and think it may be because gamers for some reason not only defend the high prices but, confusingly, advocate for them on videogames forums. I don't advocate them being £70, I wish they were cheaper but I also understand why they sometimes do cost that much. It is also very easy to wait 3-6 months to get them cheaper. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 14:52:18 GMT
Feels like you kind of are but, regardless, they will be until they are forced not to cost that much which will be never because gamers are weird simps for faceless corporations.
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