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Post by Chopsen on Mar 9, 2023 18:54:00 GMT
You seem strangely invested in the cost of something you have no intention of buying.
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Post by anthonyuk on Mar 9, 2023 19:27:57 GMT
In my 40's I just find it hard to justify paying ÂŁ70 for a videogame, especially one that might only last the weekend.
I wanted Callisto Protocol, even just to support the devs for even making it, but at ÂŁ70 (on console at least) It got weighed against a nice meal and drinks with the Mrs and funds towards other hobbies and lost out.
Worth is relative depending on the person obviously and the way prices seem to being up rather than down tells you someone is paying those prices. These days I think if it wasn't for the likes of Gamepass I'd likely play a handful of games a year tops.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 19:31:55 GMT
If you have a disc drive Boomerang rentals is great. Tenner a month and if you play it right with your list you get new games on release day.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 19:37:16 GMT
See I'm the opposite. As I get older I'm a lot more choosy with what I want to play, and I'm happy to pay for it if it's a top tier game. The days of me piling through endless 6/10 games just to pass the time are over, I'd rather just go to the gym or get out on the bike or something. 5 or 6 years ago I'd probably be as big a Game Pass cheerleader as some are on here, now Xbox just doesn't appeal to me in the slightest until they start making game I actually want to play again.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 19:42:04 GMT
I’m the same, though I play more than I should. I’ll pay for the value though, and although there are games in GP I’d like to pay for “free”, I really dislike the console UX, to the extent I’d rather spend money to use the PS5. And the social stuff.
And that’s all largely why I don’t think they remove CoD from the platform - it won’t translate to Xbox sales in any major way. They’d just be losing money.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 20:32:13 GMT
The value for me, I suppose, is that I’ve played and really enjoyed games I would rate pretty highly that I never would have staked money on usually.
And the flip side of that is that I’ve also binned just as many fairly quickly because I’m not chasing a sunk cost.
I’m just describing Netflix, aren’t I?
And, yeah, I’d rather use the PS5, too.
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Post by ekz on Mar 10, 2023 3:13:52 GMT
I’m the same, though I play more than I should. I’ll pay for the value though, and although there are games in GP I’d like to pay for “free”, I really dislike the console UX, to the extent I’d rather spend money to use the PS5. And the social stuff. And that’s all largely why I don’t think they remove CoD from the platform - it won’t translate to Xbox sales in any major way. They’d just be losing money. I couldn't get a PS5 at the time I got my XSX and even though I enjoy game pass, every time I turn it on I wish it was a PS5 because the UI is awful. The entire xbox experience (IMHO) feels as cheap as GP is.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 10, 2023 4:59:19 GMT
Microsoft has a market capitalisation of 1.89 trillion dollars, second highest in the world. Sony is at 125th with 109 billion. Sony are dominating games because they are good at it, put the work in, and deserve it. Microsoft are trailing because they are fucking shit, they started shit, and the minute they got good, they shat right in it and now all they can do is spend Sony’s entire worth on every huge company they can. Their best strategy had been to use their immense OS Monopoly wealth to make new games cost fuck all via Game Pass, which I expect to destroy the industry because consumers reach for cheapest shiny thing. Talking like Microsoft are the underdog here is completely insane. You seem to have taken a side in a battle between two conglomerates. Aren't we a little old for my console company is better than yours? No. Never. I buy one console per generation, always have. I have no brand loyalty, I want the companies to fight to the death for my money. I didn’t buy a PS1, 2 or 3 because I thought they were shoddily made and Sony was using it’s diversified portfolio to sell hardware at a loss, which I take to be anti-competitive/ monopolistic behaviour. But they took a massive punch to the face with PS3 and learned from it. They aren’t faceless, there’s actual people in there, you are just too eagerly reaching for the shiny keys to care about it. I thought Mark Cerny did a great job explaining the PS4 and philosophy behind its design, the PS5 as well, as opposed to the hubris of Ken Kutaragi and Don Mattrick. It’s people. They make decisions. They make assumptions about the consumers. And when they fuck it up, I don’t want to reward that. If you don’t want to take part in a discussion as to whether this industry-changing event is good or bad, or pick a side, no one is blocking the exit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 10, 2023 8:40:19 GMT
What's going on here?
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Post by mothercruncher on Mar 10, 2023 8:46:01 GMT
Xbox still offer AA games, as opposed to Sony with the GIGAAAA.
True though.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 10, 2023 9:05:00 GMT
You seem to have taken a side in a battle between two conglomerates. Aren't we a little old for my console company is better than yours? No. Never. I buy one console per generation, always have. I have no brand loyalty, I want the companies to fight to the death for my money. I didn’t buy a PS1, 2 or 3 because I thought they were shoddily made and Sony was using it’s diversified portfolio to sell hardware at a loss, which I take to be anti-competitive/ monopolistic behaviour. But they took a massive punch to the face with PS3 and learned from it. They aren’t faceless, there’s actual people in there, you are just too eagerly reaching for the shiny keys to care about it. I thought Mark Cerny did a great job explaining the PS4 and philosophy behind its design, the PS5 as well, as opposed to the hubris of Ken Kutaragi and Don Mattrick. It’s people. They make decisions. They make assumptions about the consumers. And when they fuck it up, I don’t want to reward that. If you don’t want to take part in a discussion as to whether this industry-changing event is good or bad, or pick a side, no one is blocking the exit. Ok you seem to be talking about the last console generation cause Microsoft have learnt from that too, hence gamepass. All I said was that Sony saying they just want to block a merger of a smaller (in this industry) competition is stupid when it comes to competition regulation. That's all. No shiny keys.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 10, 2023 9:05:50 GMT
aubergine definitely isn't picking sides when he chooses one console and sticks with it for the entire generation.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 10, 2023 9:21:07 GMT
No. Never. I buy one console per generation, always have. I have no brand loyalty, I want the companies to fight to the death for my money. I didn’t buy a PS1, 2 or 3 because I thought they were shoddily made and Sony was using it’s diversified portfolio to sell hardware at a loss, which I take to be anti-competitive/ monopolistic behaviour.  But they took a massive punch to the face with PS3 and learned from it. They aren’t faceless, there’s actual people in there, you are just too eagerly reaching for the shiny keys to care about it. I thought Mark Cerny did a great job explaining the PS4 and philosophy behind its design, the PS5 as well, as opposed to the hubris of Ken Kutaragi and Don Mattrick. It’s people. They make decisions. They make assumptions about the consumers. And when they fuck it up, I don’t want to reward that. If you don’t want to take part in a discussion as to whether this industry-changing event is good or bad, or pick a side, no one is blocking the exit. Ok you seem to be talking about the last console generation cause Microsoft have learnt from that too, hence gamepass. All I said was that Sony saying they just want to block a merger of a smaller (in this industry) competition is stupid when it comes to competition regulation. That's all. No shiny keys. If you don’t get the point that people painting Microsoft as the underdog when their market value is 1.89 trillion compared to Sony’s 109 billion is ridiculous, there’s nothing much to say.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 10, 2023 9:28:21 GMT
It's relevant in which field it's in. Google are monster but the money didn't make stadia popular. Sony control the gaming market to an extent and ms buying act/blizzard doesn't change that much. All it does is make it more competitive.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 10, 2023 9:29:49 GMT
To be boringly fair, if youre going to start throwing market caps around, make an apples to apples comparison (not cheese to games). Sony Gaming Division is worth thrice the amount MS's gaming division is at 150bn to 50bn. They are the entities going after each other.
I dont really know what my point is other than they are both faceless corporations that would sell you aids if they thought they could get away with it.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 10, 2023 9:36:03 GMT
It's relevant in which field it's in. Google are monster but the money didn't make stadia popular. Sony control the gaming market to an extent and ms buying act/blizzard doesn't change that much. All it does is make it more competitive. Consolidation does not create competition, it reduces it.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 10, 2023 9:41:54 GMT
In the case of ms Vs Sony it makes it closer.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 10, 2023 9:43:27 GMT
To be boringly fair, if youre going to start throwing market caps around, make an apples to apples comparison (not cheese to games). Sony Gaming Division is worth thrice the amount MS's gaming division is at 150bn to 50bn. They are the entities going after each other. I dont really know what my point is other than they are both faceless corporations that would sell you aids if they thought they could get away with it. That's the point exactly. No one is calling Microsoft an underdog aubergine, it's a smaller player in the gaming industry. This is merger focused on the gaming industry. Does Sony give a shit about, cloud servers, Operating systems, productivity software, search engines etc? No. Does Microsoft give a shit about , TVs, AV equipment, Cameras? ( I left out mobile hardware cause you could argue MS care about that) No.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 10, 2023 9:47:04 GMT
It's relevant in which field it's in. Google are monster but the money didn't make stadia popular. Sony control the gaming market to an extent and ms buying act/blizzard doesn't change that much. All it does is make it more competitive. Consolidation does not create competition, it reduces it. The very existence of walled garden consoles reduces competition in gaming then.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 10, 2023 9:56:59 GMT
In the case of ms Vs Sony it makes it closer. It doesn't though, not in any meaningful way that the consumer will benefit from. They're taking something that already exists and either leaving it the same, if titles stay multiplat., or walling it off to people that were going to previously have it. It makes MS a bigger player but doesn't actually change their process or output. They still aren't building new games. If they took their vast sums of cash and supported their studios better, or created new ones, and built new IP and experiences to challenge Sony's dominance of 1st party output, that could create actual meaningful competition. edit: And I'm aware that Sony have bought studios too. Acquisitions aren't bad in isolation, especially when they're fully supported to build interesting things. MS don't really seem to be doing that though outside of one or two cases. It's the missing piece.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 10, 2023 9:58:09 GMT
No benefit to the customer? Bitch please, I'm going to have shed loads more on game pass AND diablo 4 for free! . X
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Post by Derblington on Mar 10, 2023 10:06:24 GMT
They could do that without owning the studios and taking them away from 80% of the console market. Y'know, because they want more people to play games and that.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 10, 2023 10:16:25 GMT
They could do that without owning the studios and taking them away from 80% of the console market. Y'know, because they want more people to play games and that. Are they taking it away from 80% of the console market or growing the entire market by including it on a service that doesn't need a console? This is also the whole reason they're making a song and dance about signing deals with Nvidia and Nintendo and apparently trying to do the same with Sony.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 10, 2023 10:18:40 GMT
The only reason they made a song and dance about Nvidia and Nintendo was to make themselves look good and Sony look like they were dragging their heels.
That never would've happened if Sony hadn't tried to put a stop to all this.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 10, 2023 10:21:46 GMT
The only reason they made a song and dance about Nvidia and Nintendo was to make themselves look good and Sony look like they were dragging their heels. That never would've happened if Sony hadn't tried to put a stop to all this. Yup which leads me back to my original point, Sony we're really thick in just stating they don't want a deal they just want to stop the merger. They should have just said nothing.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 10, 2023 10:26:48 GMT
They could do that without owning the studios and taking them away from 80% of the console market. Y'know, because they want more people to play games and that. Are they taking it away from 80% of the console market or growing the entire market by including it on a service that doesn't need a console? Again, GP exists without them owning the studios and pulling the content away from the established base.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 10, 2023 10:30:10 GMT
Are they taking it away from 80% of the console market or growing the entire market by including it on a service that doesn't need a console? Again, GP exists without them owning the studios and pulling the content away from the established base. They want it for more than just the console and Pc games, it's the mobile stuff too but yeah they could just chuck a really big chunk of money at Activision without buying and buy exclusivity for all the games put on game pass. Is that any better?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 10, 2023 10:31:35 GMT
They both do it, scale is important yes but they're both businesses trying to get your money, there are no underdogs just massive corporations vying for your support and trying to act as if they're your friend by creating a parasocial relationship and instill "loyalty". But yes let's pick sides.
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Post by malek86 on Mar 10, 2023 10:31:57 GMT
I wonder how much GP would be feasible without buying up devs. Some publishers (especially the biggest ones) might not want their games to be on a subscription service from day one, and we also know that Sony occasionally makes deals so that certain games can't go on Game Pass. Without a lot of first party studios, it would end up being a service full of just indie games, and I don't know if people would be willing to stay subscribed for that (at least not for the regular price).
More worringly, if MS is spending so much money on this venture, they probably expect a big return. What will happen if that doesn't come true? Like, what if they eventually remove the Gold trick and userbase retention revels itself lower than they expected?
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Post by Derblington on Mar 10, 2023 10:37:01 GMT
Why do they need exclusivity for all the games put on GP?
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