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Post by robthehermit on Mar 8, 2023 23:33:26 GMT
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 0:42:35 GMT
Seems fair enough, the merger is very bad for them, as the Bethesda one was very bad for them, and just comes on the back of Microsoft being shit at fostering their own development for ten-fifteen years or so. Sony have other revenue streams, but Xbox is backed up by Microsoft’s 30-year OS monopoly and clearly hasn’t had to run as a profitable business. On the face of it, I’d want to block the acquisition to keep the playing field somewhat level.
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Post by robthehermit on Mar 9, 2023 1:33:21 GMT
But surely blocking it and pissing off both MS and Acti is worse. If Acti remain independent there is nothing to stop them from pulling their games from Sony just to spite them. A quick sum on the back of a fag packet suggests that Acti pull in about $4b a year from Sony. A spare $69b in Phil's pocket could buy a lot of exclusivity.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 1:39:31 GMT
That’d just be proving Sony’s point though. MS obviously could go that route, owning Bliz or not, but it’d fly in the face of everything they’re saying about making games available to more people and keeping it on the platform. Sony’s platform is likely too big to make that viable either way. CoD makes a lot of money and MS would just be throwing money away to pay to make it exclusive.
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Post by robthehermit on Mar 9, 2023 1:49:48 GMT
If the deal goes through, one of the "remedies" is that CoD remain multi platform which is why Phil has been throwing 10 year contracts around like candy, so technically speaking allowing the merger is the only way to guarantee Cod stays on PS.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 7:42:36 GMT
But surely blocking it and pissing off both MS and Acti is worse. If Acti remain independent there is nothing to stop them from pulling their games from Sony just to spite them. A quick sum on the back of a fag packet suggests that Acti pull in about $4b a year from Sony. A spare $69b in Phil's pocket could buy a lot of exclusivity. That slug who runs Activision would never shun the lead console and its billions of dollars out of spite. Apart from the personal greed, he’d be rightfully drawn and quartered by the shareholders. I think the hostility is only likely to backfire on Sony if Microsoft DOES secure the purchase, but even then, after spending $69 billion, Microsoft would also be needling to make a lot of money back and fast. They’d seem more likely to want to secure PS5 for CoD (having double their install base) but then fuck Sony over in the lead up to next generation of PS6 / Xbox Dumbname beginning. edit I seem to recall Sony bought Bungee for access to their tools, with speculation that they would bring out their own online FPS service. Now wondering if they are doing everything as a delaying tactic while they work on it, then tell MicrActivision they sadly don’t want their competitors game on their platform, apologies to all PS5 owners, have a free copy of our new Duty Calls Online Service Shooter Warthog: Field of Battle.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 8:48:04 GMT
While Sony have 80% market share of the console space, I can't see ActiV or MS pulling it off the platform. They'd be cutting the brand off from, what, 60-70% of total sales and upspend? That's a lot of lost profits to be spiteful, and all parties know it.
I imagine it's just a matter of time until MS get the merger at this point, but I wouldn't expect CoD to change platforms unless MS start gaining significant market share, and that's looking pretty slim, four generations in. I don't think owning CoD will see that much of a shift, more than it will piss off the players that stand to lose it on their invested platform. It feels like Sony's ground to lose, rather than MS's to win.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 9:11:03 GMT
Honestly, after two decades I would have hoped someone could knock COD off its perch. This whole kerfuffle might also a symptom of how creatively bankrupt game development is / how complacent gamers are.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 9, 2023 9:16:58 GMT
Do you not see even the smallest parallel between your love of the Marvel product line and people playing and enjoying countless iterations of CoD?
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 9, 2023 9:19:53 GMT
I just need it to hurry up and go through so I can play D4 for free and not £70!!! Fuck off Sony.
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Post by robthehermit on Mar 9, 2023 9:33:50 GMT
I just need it to hurry up and go through so I can play D4 for free and not £70!!! Fuck off Sony. Very much this.
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Post by dfunked on Mar 9, 2023 9:37:23 GMT
That's my only real investment in this too. Fuck paying £70 for D4 if it'll end up on GP.
Also a bit of schadenfreude in wanting to see Sony get a shit deal out of it after the way they've carried on recently.
Jim Ryan's "I don’t want a new Call of Duty deal. I just want to block your merger.” comment last month probably isn't going to help their cause.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Mar 9, 2023 9:40:17 GMT
That was a really stupid thing to say, they're basically trying to abuse the competition whilst being the dominant player.
Dumb fucks.
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Post by baihu1983 on Mar 9, 2023 9:55:38 GMT
MS have made it perfectly clear they aren't going to take COD away.
Activision have said they won't get an offer even close as good as that from them if the deal doesn't happen.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 9, 2023 10:18:02 GMT
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Post by paulyboy81 on Mar 9, 2023 10:30:16 GMT
The whole thing just gets increasingly odd as time goes on. Sony in particular is starting to sound like my brother's nutbag ex-wife with some of the accusations they're banding about.
I think what I find most depressing is that this acquisition has some much larger and more valid implications for the industry as a whole and all anyone can talk about (particularly Sony) is Call of Duty. I know it's an absolute behemoth of an IP, and why it's so important obviously (financially or otherwise), but it's basically been a bit shit for well over a decade now. Borderline depressing to be honest, kind of wish they were arguing over something decent at least.
As for my own feelings on the merger, I sway back and forth. I can definitely see the downsides, but as a paid up Game Pass subscriber I'm also happy (rather selfishly) to have more stuff I don't have to pay extra for hit the service. I also live in hope that Kotick will get the boot and Microsoft will put the likes of Raven software to work on something that isn't pissing Call of Duty.
Either way I don't personally think Sony have anything to worry about. Even without Call of Duty (which they're going to get anyway) I think they're current stranglehold on that market isn't going anywhere, such is the strength of their brand at this point.
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Post by Cappy on Mar 9, 2023 12:13:01 GMT
Considering all the fun and games Microsoft pulled back in the 90s with their OS monopoly they'd possibly face a shareholder revolt if Sony didn't tie Microsoft up, stop them or use any other avenue open to them egarding the Activision Blizzard acquisition.
Whatever 'deals' or assurances Microsoft give you will be tested right from the start as they go right up to the line, and even find ways of moving the line back wherever they want it to your disadvantage. Don't forget stuff like, we're not trying to force Explorer on users! Cease these baseless accusations! Explorer just needs to be tied into the OS so that they can't be separated, it's the only way things can function properly. Trust us.
Microsoft can try calling Sony the monopoly, I'd like to see the numbers that actually support the 80% claim, either way Sony have never tried to pull a Nintendo when they've had a market leading position and have never actively targeted users of rival platforms with annoyances the way Microsoft did to PS3 users when the 360 was ahead. The only reason Microsoft are behaving now is that there was no chance of victory in this generation.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 12:14:21 GMT
That was a really stupid thing to say, they're basically trying to abuse the competition whilst being the dominant player. Dumb fucks. Microsoft has a market capitalisation of 1.89 trillion dollars, second highest in the world. Sony is at 125th with 109 billion. Sony are dominating games because they are good at it, put the work in, and deserve it. Microsoft are trailing because they are fucking shit, they started shit, and the minute they got good, they shat right in it and now all they can do is spend Sony’s entire worth on every huge company they can. Their best strategy had been to use their immense OS Monopoly wealth to make new games cost fuck all via Game Pass, which I expect to destroy the industry because consumers reach for cheapest shiny thing. Talking like Microsoft are the underdog here is completely insane.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 9, 2023 12:15:41 GMT
Considering all the fun and games Microsoft pulled back in the 90s with their OS monopoly they'd possibly face a shareholder revolt if Sony didn't tie Microsoft up, stop them or use any other avenue open to them egarding the Activision Blizzard acquisition. Whatever 'deals' or assurances Microsoft give you will be tested right from the start as they go right up to the line, and even find ways of moving the line back wherever they want it to your disadvantage. Don't forget stuff like, we're not trying to force Explorer on users! Cease these baseless accusations! Explorer just needs to be tied into the OS so that they can't be separated, it's the only way things can function properly. Trust us. Microsoft can try calling Sony the monopoly, I'd like to see the numbers that actually support the 80% claim, either way Sony have never tried to pull a Nintendo when they've had a market leading position and have never actively targeted users of rival platforms with annoyances the way Microsoft did to PS3 users when the 360 was ahead. The only reason Microsoft are behaving now is that there was no chance of victory in this generation. Eh, Sony absolutely did all these things throughout the PS2 era.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 9, 2023 12:18:25 GMT
They're all assholes when they're on top.
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Post by bichii2 on Mar 9, 2023 12:20:37 GMT
All I know is I pay about 4 quid a month for game pass and it's fucking amazing. If I got a playstation I'd have to pay nearly 20x that a month a play a new game. I know which console I'm glad I ended up with.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 12:21:24 GMT
The market leader always does more bad things along with the good things, really just because they have more leeway to do it. None of them are doing things purely for the good of the consumer. Whoever isn't at the top always has more opportunity for the generous soundbites. None of this is new.
The only difference here is the sheer scale of the things involved.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 9, 2023 12:22:33 GMT
The market leader always does more bad things along with the good things, really just because they have more leeway to do it. None of them are doing things purely for the good of the consumer. Whoever isn't at the top always has more opportunity for the generous soundbites. None of this is new. The only difference here is the sheer scale of the things involved. Exactly.
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Post by gibroon on Mar 9, 2023 12:40:46 GMT
Microsoft do not have good track record of buying studios and creating better games than before they were bought. That's what I would worry about. Also the Series-S is going to hamper any truly defining games of this gen.
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Post by Derblington on Mar 9, 2023 12:51:42 GMT
Yeah, that's fair. Despite buying Bethesda and associated studios, and having the few studios they've actually created, there seems very little new coming, or even seeing the existing things really thriving (other than Forza). HiFi Rush obviously, and I'd hope there is more like that, but it's always the exception rather than the rule.
Sony supposedly have a handful of new announcements coming over the next month or so, and are working on their State of Play schedule for delivering them. I don't understand how MS don't have more happening. They always seem to be struggling for 1st party content.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 9, 2023 12:53:10 GMT
All I know is I pay about 4 quid a month for game pass and it's fucking amazing. If I got a playstation I'd have to pay nearly 20x that a month a play a new game. I know which console I'm glad I ended up with. What happens once every developer who isn’t on Game Pass has been starved out of existence? The games being developed will be the ones Microsoft chooses for you. “Straight to Game Pass” will be a saying, if it isn’t already. Again, Sony is worth about 5% of what Microsoft are worth. Game Pass and these massive purchases are going to crush diversity. Sony are probably thinking ahead to PS6 or PS7, because what Microsoft are doing with their trillions of dollars may well stomp Sony into the ground. Given how much I hated Sony during the PS1, 2 and 3 era, it’s weird that I’m on their side, but you know that as soon as Microsoft is on top again, they’ll pull their masks off and it’ll be all Don Mattricks under there. Sony did seem to learn a great lesson from their hubris with PS3, because they’ve been pretty good ever since. (For a giant corporation)
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 9, 2023 12:56:25 GMT
I always find it weird when people choose to align themselves to a faceless multinational company.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 9, 2023 12:56:46 GMT
Really? With the launch price of the PS5, £70 games, 'upgrade path' troubles and the like?
I'm not trying to defend Microsoft, more reiterating what Derblington said half hour ago - whoever's on top is an ass.
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Post by rhaegyr on Mar 9, 2023 12:57:03 GMT
I always find it weird when people choose to align themselves to a faceless multinational company. SEGA for life.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 9, 2023 12:57:41 GMT
Lol.
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