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Post by Zuluhero on Jan 6, 2022 11:36:15 GMT
Bit weird putting rockstar on there as they didn't develop the GTA trilogy did they?
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Post by dominalien on Jan 6, 2022 11:46:52 GMT
Everything get graded in binary. It’s either the best thing ever or the bottom orifice of the shit monster.
Same with competing things. If one thing is just a little bit better it’s the pinnacle of the bestest best and the other is the vilest of humankind’s failures and must be burned in acid.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jan 6, 2022 11:53:40 GMT
Everything get graded in binary. It’s either the best thing ever or the bottom orifice of the shit monster. Same with competing things. If one thing is just a little bit better it’s the pinnacle of the bestest best and the other is the vilest of humankind’s failures and must be burned in acid. I get this way when people compare the combat of games to, say, Dark Souls, and judge it terrible on that account. It's ok, you're allowed to think something isn't as good as another thing, while still liking it! It's one of those "not letting the perfect be the enemy of the good" kinds of things. (though to be fair, Witcher 3 kind of ruined a lot of other RPGs for me in a similar way) |
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Post by JYM60 on Jan 6, 2022 11:58:02 GMT
I've never even played a Souls game. I guess I am missing out, but they just don't look interesting at all to me.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 6, 2022 12:05:20 GMT
I've never even played a Souls game. I guess I am missing out, but they just don't look interesting at all to me. When they click there are few games that control and "feel" as great as they do, definitely worth a try. |
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Post by dominalien on Jan 6, 2022 12:06:09 GMT
There's... different types of combat? One may like one more than another, but that doesn't mean one is amazing and the other is shit.
I'm shit at Ninja Gaiden, I'm good at Souls (regular enemies, anyway). Thus I like souls much more than NG, but I know the combat there is great. Or at least I'm told it is, it's just chaos and button mashing to me.
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Post by dominalien on Jan 6, 2022 12:07:22 GMT
I've never even played a Souls game. I guess I am missing out, but they just don't look interesting at all to me. When they click there are few games that control and "feel" as great as they do, definitely worth a try. Yeah, they're immense. And not in size (though that, too). |
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 6, 2022 12:11:37 GMT
Nintendo's 1st Party Studios
Capcom
FROM Software
Remedy
Ryu Ga Gotoku Studio
Those are the ones that come to mind as the most reliable, solid studios/publishers whose content I am almost certain to enjoy.
Conversely, EA is such a pile of uninteresting shite, Jedi:Fallen Order is the only game (pebble aside) from them that has given me any enjoyment since Mass Effect 3, 95% of their stuff has no interest at all for me.
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Post by oldskooldeano on Jan 6, 2022 12:23:29 GMT
No one mentioned Blizzard? Ok, they may be persona non grata these days but technically their games are always of the highest order. Often a refinement of a genre or design that has come before but they always work, they always look good and they are always enjoyable.
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Post by LTK on Jan 6, 2022 12:28:48 GMT
I know they’re a publisher not a developer but where are people here on someone like Devolver? They’ve had a pretty high hit rate with me over the last few years Devolver have published over 100 games, and while there are a ton of great games in that selection and zero pieces of utter trash, they don't have the consistency necessary for me to say that I would buy a Devolver game sight unseen, every time. |
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Post by Cappy on Jan 6, 2022 12:30:22 GMT
Well, no.
Certain publishers and developers have my interest though, that's an important precursor to buying anything. I'm always interested in anything Vanillaware make for instance, since I find their games to be interesting and crafted with an unusual level of love and care.
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Post by neems on Jan 6, 2022 12:30:58 GMT
I'd go with From (obviously). And no, Dark Souls 2 is not a bad game, not even close. It is also, I believe, the only Soulsborne game from the entire run from Demon's through to Sekiro that wasn't directed by Miyazaki, who is also the boss of the company.
Once Miyazaki retires then who knows, but until I reckon we're in pretty safe hands.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jan 6, 2022 13:52:13 GMT
I'm shit at Ninja Gaiden, I'm good at Souls (regular enemies, anyway). Thus I like souls much more than NG, but I know the combat there is great. Or at least I'm told it is, it's just chaos and button mashing to me. IIRC it's 90% about blocking and picking your counterattacks very carefully.
(Ninja Gaiden that is).
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Post by dominalien on Jan 6, 2022 13:56:07 GMT
I'd go with From (obviously). And no, Dark Souls 2 is not a bad game, not even close. It is also, I believe, the only Soulsborne game from the entire run from Demon's through to Sekiro that wasn't directed by Miyazaki, who is also the boss of the company. Once Miyazaki retires then who knows, but until I reckon we're in pretty safe hands. Yeah, DS2 was a (huge) step down from Demon's and DS1, but it was still an excellent game. |
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Post by LTK on Jan 6, 2022 13:57:11 GMT
The nice thing about Dark Souls is that, like any RPG, there's more than one 'right' way to play it. Blocking and counterattacking, spacing and whiff-punishing, or steamrolling through enemy attacks with poise are all valid approaches. But that's a topic for the Dark Souls thread.
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Post by gamingdave on Jan 6, 2022 15:01:11 GMT
I know they’re a publisher not a developer but where are people here on someone like Devolver? They’ve had a pretty high hit rate with me over the last few years I would say they are my favourite publisher alongside Nintendo. After Hotline Miami it seemed like every smaller title I was interested in was coming from them. Luftausers, Olli Olli, HM2, OO2, Enter the Gungeon, Gris, Katana Zero - all classics for me. There are others I haven't got round to yet, and some which just don't appeal, but overall I love their output. With Nintendo, there may have been a few recently where I have preferred early instalments - Golf comes to mind - but I still don't regret the purchase. Got nearly 30 carts for the Switch now (it's the kids primary console) with a large portion being 1st party. The quality is overall very high. So in answer to the original question - yes, those 2 I trust to put out quality and would (and do) buy games that I like the look of without needing to play them first or really even read reviews. This is also the correct answer |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 15:54:33 GMT
Bit weird putting rockstar on there as they didn't develop the GTA trilogy did they? They're definitely made by a subsidiary of Rockstar though. Grove Street Games? It can't be coincidence that they're named after CJ.'s neighborhood/gang, right? There's... different types of combat? One may like one more than another, but that doesn't mean one is amazing and the other is shit. I'm shit at Ninja Gaiden, I'm good at Souls (regular enemies, anyway). Thus I like souls much more than NG, but I know the combat there is great. Or at least I'm told it is, it's just chaos and button mashing to me. Funny enough, I'm the exact opposite here. I'm good at Ninja Gaiden so I love that series, but for the life of me, Souls combat has never clicked. |
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Post by robthehermit on Jan 6, 2022 16:13:47 GMT
I trust that From will make games I hate, no need to watch videos, check the news or read reviews, if it's got From on the box it's a massive bag of shite. I realise I'm mostly alone in this opinion but I don't care.
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Post by neems on Jan 6, 2022 16:15:26 GMT
I trust that From will make games I hate, no need to watch videos, check the news or read reviews, if it's got From on the box it's a massive bag of shite. I realise I'm mostly alone in this opinion but I don't care. Ban please. |
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 6, 2022 16:16:12 GMT
I trust that From will make games I hate, no need to watch videos, check the news or read reviews, if it's got From on the box it's a massive bag of shite. I realise I'm mostly alone in this opinion but I don't care. That's a cry for help post if ever I saw one... |
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Post by dominalien on Jan 6, 2022 16:17:08 GMT
username checks out
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Post by robthehermit on Jan 6, 2022 16:17:10 GMT
I trust that From will make games I hate, no need to watch videos, check the news or read reviews, if it's got From on the box it's a massive bag of shite. I realise I'm mostly alone in this opinion but I don't care. Ban please. It would be nice if they were, but unfortunately my opinion doesn't hold that much sway. |
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Post by neems on Jan 6, 2022 16:20:39 GMT
Aww, we love you Rob, you freaky no-From weirdo.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 6, 2022 16:34:20 GMT
I've never even played a Souls game. I guess I am missing out, but they just don't look interesting at all to me. When they click there are few games that control and "feel" as great as they do, definitely worth a try. I don't agree with this at all. The DS combat is slow and cumbersome (intentionally). There are a ton of games with more fluid, well crafted combat than DS. This is one of those DS myths that kind of annoy me. The games are good and deserve their praise without making stuff up about them unnecessarily, seriously |
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 6, 2022 16:47:33 GMT
When they click there are few games that control and "feel" as great as they do, definitely worth a try. I don't agree with this at all. The DS combat is slow and cumbersome (intentionally). There are a ton of games with more fluid, well crafted combat than DS. This is one of those DS myths that kind of annoy me. The games are good and deserve their praise without making stuff up about them unnecessarily, seriously I'm not making anything up. The combat feels responsive, solid and satisfying. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 6, 2022 17:04:43 GMT
The "few games" that control and feel as great is the bit. DS has good combat but it's nowhere near the be all and end all of well designed controls or combat. The bow controls in DS are actually atrocious and still are in DS3. Nioh's bow controls put From to shame
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2022 17:14:54 GMT
I definitely wouldn't call Souls combat responsive. Satisfying is subjective, but the clunky sluggishness is what puts me off the series.
The Ninja Gaiden and Nioh games used as comparisons, are responsive. You press the button and it performs the action without delay. Heavier weapons take appropriately longer to swing, but the action itself happens immediately. Blocking, dodging, it's immediate. There's a delay to Souls' actions that makes it feel clunky to me.
That said, I'm an idiot, and as much as I complain about the series, I'm always there to try their next game and hope it clicks better. So I'll probably get Elden Ring as well, then probably hate it after a few hours.
Sekiro was pretty good though.
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Post by dominalien on Jan 6, 2022 17:17:37 GMT
I didn't even try Sekiro, having decided it'd be too fast for me.
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Post by スコットランド on Jan 6, 2022 17:21:21 GMT
The "few games" that control and feel as great is the bit. DS has good combat but it's nowhere near the be all and end all of well designed controls or combat. The bow controls in DS are actually atrocious and still are in DS3. Nioh's bow controls put From to shame So, you have issues with "few games" but can name a grand total of 2? |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 6, 2022 17:22:03 GMT
I'm not saying the combat in DS is bad, rather that I find putting From/DS on a pedestal for things that simple don't tally annoying and unnecessary. As well as the bows issue, when you're on stairs or slopes, whether your or the enemy's attacks connect is completely unreliable, as is whether or not attacks will deflect off or go straight through walls. Again, this doesn't happen in Nioh. Nioh is a far more technically accomplished game. From games are better than the sum of their parts
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