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Post by psymmon on Jan 5, 2022 16:07:44 GMT
I'd be interested to hear what you lovely folks have to say about this as it's been on my mind for a while. Are there any big studios (studios here meaning companies or individual "star" developers/designers) who you believe will always put out a good game? I'm talking mainly in terms of AAA rather than indies, but it's still applicable. I'm also not referring to whether you'd automatically preorder/day 1 a new game from them, although that is related.
I've heard people (not on here) describe some studios as having that "magic", where they had a great team and for a while they were putting out hit after hit, but I don't think this can ever be the case in the long term (10+ years) for a few reasons:
1) after 10+ years, the original talent will have left/retired/crunched to death. 2) owner/publisher changes affect the direction they can take their games. 3) playing it safe/trend chasing where there's so much money involved they can't afford to go out there with gameplay/story that's not the current style/significantly different from their previous titles.
From my perspective, I'm not sure if there's any dev I'd trust to the point where, if they announce "we're working on a new game", I'd immediately think it'll be an instant must play. I think I got burned by Codies when they announced Grid 2, having loved the original, and it left me very cold.
I saw an article a while back about some "famous" game dev who's kickstarting a new game, having made one successful game for the Amiga (and, from the wording of the article, nothing of note since), and the comments were talking like this new game was going to be a stone cold classic, as if his last game was the peak of quality and game design/industry/his abilities haven't changed in the last 30 years. I'm not saying that the game will be bad, but the lack of recent success doesn't fill me with confidence, even if I had played his original game.
Am I crazy/overly cynical? Very interested to hear your thoughts, especially if there's any strong counter arguments you have (examples please)!
My examples (of loved devs who put out "bad" games):
- Bioware (ME Andromeda, Anthem) - CDPR (Cyberpunk) - Rockstar (GTA trilogy) - Dice (BF 2042) - Ken Levine (whatever he's doing now) These were off the top of my head but I'm sure there's more.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 5, 2022 16:09:06 GMT
Nintendo
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Post by grey_matters on Jan 5, 2022 16:10:59 GMT
For a given value of 'always', Valve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 16:13:04 GMT
Capcom and Nintendo probably have better track records than most. I'd say those two are my all-time favorite studios.
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Post by KD on Jan 5, 2022 16:14:29 GMT
I can't trust any studio if basic trust was the question, all they want is the money out of my bank.
As for quality it's drying up slowly in this world of post release fixing.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 5, 2022 16:17:39 GMT
Arkane and id are reliable, although id had a bit of a dip with Rage
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Post by JYM60 on Jan 5, 2022 16:23:42 GMT
Most of the big Sony devs. At least the games will normally always be finished.
Not really Sony owned, but always liked Insomniac in terms of quality.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 16:25:42 GMT
Insomniac is officially Sony owned now. They were for a long time independently exclusive, though.
But yeah, they're great. I'd put them over the other Sony studios, personally. Santa Monica is great too, though.
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Post by Reviewer on Jan 5, 2022 16:30:24 GMT
Introversion Software
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Post by RadicalRex on Jan 5, 2022 16:45:58 GMT
Activision
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Post by Psiloc on Jan 5, 2022 16:49:45 GMT
Bioware? And you cite ME: A? That's a weird choice OP.
So anyway I'm going with CDPR
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 16:55:09 GMT
Bioware? And you cite ME: A? That's a weird choice OP. So anyway I'm going with CDPR kind of funny to mock someone's choice for one game, then go with another studio's whose last game was controversially not up to par. fwiw, I enjoyed both Andromeda and Cyberpunk, but that just stood out to me.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 5, 2022 16:55:32 GMT
CDRP is an even weirder choice
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Post by Gruf on Jan 5, 2022 16:55:56 GMT
From Software might as well be a subscription service for me
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 5, 2022 16:56:13 GMT
I think the OPs list is of good devs that made bad games?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 17:01:39 GMT
I think the OPs list is of good devs that made bad games? Yeah, that makes sense. I guess it wasn't clear to me from how the post progressed, but considering the examples, I think you're right. My bad.
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Post by Gruf on Jan 5, 2022 17:11:41 GMT
From that point of view Bethesda takes the prize
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Post by psymmon on Jan 5, 2022 17:13:38 GMT
I think the OPs list is of good devs that made bad games? Yeah, that makes sense. I guess it wasn't clear to me from how the post progressed, but considering the examples, I think you're right. My bad. Whoops, yes this was meant to be a list of good devs with bad games. Will edit
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Post by malek86 on Jan 5, 2022 17:18:06 GMT
If by "trusting" you mean that I would preorder their games no questions asked, then... none.
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Post by cubby on Jan 5, 2022 17:48:32 GMT
At the moment Supergiant are in that position for me. But as you say these things aren't always forever. Nintendo really is the closest to a constant.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jan 5, 2022 17:55:09 GMT
I think Rockstar are still quite safe. GTA Trilogy was a lazy port and not really reflective of them as a developer. GTA 6 will likely be a huge hit. Have they ever made a really bad game?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 18:04:38 GMT
The thing about Rockstar is that they have a lot of different studios under the same banner, much like Ubisoft. The big ones are North and San Diego, but they had Vancouver which made Bully, I'm not sure if Lincoln and Leeds are still around, and then there's the Grove Street Games or whatever studio that did the recent remasters. I do agree that maybe a remaster isn't the best way to judge the studio as a whole, but the smaller studios haven't stood out the way North and San Diego have.
I still expect GTAVI to be great though.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jan 5, 2022 18:05:10 GMT
What happened to Treasure?
/shake shake
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 18:10:01 GMT
What happened to Treasure? /shake shake Treasure were great, but I don't think they exist anymore since their games never sold incredibly well. Vanillaware has my faith, but they're small enough that they're probably considered independent as the main post suggested. Platinum's probably big enough to count. I'll buy anything they put out, even if it takes an age to come out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 18:17:12 GMT
It used to be bioware and Bethesda for me. But both have fucked up the last generation or 2.
Naughty dog are the only one I think I still rate as worth a blind preorder. In terms of series rather than studios I think Yakuza and Persona are probably the only 2 I trust at the moment.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Jan 5, 2022 18:17:56 GMT
RGG Studio for me. (Yakuza games). And I still preorder a lot of Atlus stuff. Otherwise just niche stuff I expect to go out of print quickly. Possibly Falcon too even though my backlog is huge...
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Post by LTK on Jan 5, 2022 18:44:53 GMT
- Supergiant
- ACE Team
- Toby Fox
- Vlambeer (RIP)
- Increpare/Stephen Lavelle
- Amanita Design
- Zachtronics
- Lucas Pope
- Klei Entertainment
- From Software
Are all developers I trust to release a quality game that's worth playing, every single time. I might not play every single one of them but it's extremely rare that I'll recommend against playing any of them.
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Post by hedben on Jan 5, 2022 18:45:18 GMT
Does Supergiant count or are they too small?
Edit- they've been mentioned twice already so I'll take that as a yes
If it has to be AAA, I trust Ubisoft for some of their franchises- AssCreed, Far Cry. Not like I'm buying it sight unseen at launch or anything, but I know if they stick to the formula I'll enjoy it whenever I get around to it.
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Post by lexw on Jan 5, 2022 18:49:37 GMT
I don't trust any studio on the first in a series of games, and I raise an eyebrow if they're making huge mechanical changes or fundamentally changing their approach (c.f. Resident Evil, pretty often), but a studio can earn my temporary trust for sure, particularly by making two good games in a series in a row. I trust the studio note, not the publisher.
So after ME1, I mostly trusted Bioware, so got ME2 immediately, and pre-ordered ME3, and honestly despite the "ending controversy" (yeah it was bad, real bad, but eh, the game overall was good, particularly the MP), that didn't burn me. Andromeda I stupidly saw as a continuation of this, and whilst it's nowhere near as bad as some say (it's really a solid 7/10-type game, mostly in a good way), I was pretty shocked by that.
Dragon Age, however, every game I considered on its own merits, because each was a big change mechanically and general approach. As such I wasn't never shocked or disappointed by any of them.
With Total War Warhammer, the first one I liked but it didn't blow me away enough to pre-order the second. However, because both were really solid, I will likely buy the 3rd day one. I don't buy Creative Assembly stuff sight-unseen though, and wouldn't have got Troy at release if it wasn't free on Epic.
I stupidly used to trust Bethesda Game Studios, even after being burned once. Personally I loved Morrowind, loved Oblivion even though it was in many ways terrible, really did not like FO3 (because it was a mess and I was a fan of the FO1/2 universe, which it clearly is not set in, any more than the Synderverse is the same as the BTASverse), loved Skyrim, wrote off FO3 as aberration, and preordered FO4 like a numpty, and then found... whilst it's undeniably a good game, it's another "basically 7/10" game where I expected something a bit more (in some ways it seems less-developed than Skyrim or even FO3, particularly the writing and storytelling, which is distinctly retrograde). Starfield will be on Xbox Game Pass, and I'm sure I'll sub for that, though may cancel again if it's not great. But I definitely don't trust BGS to make a good game.
Firaxis are another one I stupidly used to trust, until, against all sense, I got Civilization: Beyond Earth, which was basically pissing on the grave of SMAC (a totally incredible game). I should have hard-noped when one of the lead devs said not only had they never played SMAC, they never would. Or even before that, when the two leads listed all their sci-fi influences, and literally none of the books were after about 1975 (so missing amazing and very appropriate stuff that did influence SMAC, like the Red Mars series), and none of the movies after about 1989. Civ:BE was just basically a mediocre Total Conversion mod for Civ V, and had no personality, ideas, style, or really anything going for. I wouldn't auto-buy an XCOM 3 either, because however good XCOM1&2 eventually became, neither was amazing-amazing at release, and XCOM 2 was the biggest trashfire I've ever seen in an AAA release at launch, it took them months to fully fix it. I quite like Chimera, it's quite light but it's got a lot of style and some cool ideas. Still, I am not forgetting that XCOM2 release. It also didn't play THAT great at release. It only became absolutely 10/10 after WotC for my money.
So yeah, I trust a third sequel without big changes and that's about it. There are a lot of companies whose name makes me interested, but that's a bit different.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jan 5, 2022 18:55:36 GMT
I don't "trust" any particular dev. Just take each game as it comes.
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