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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 22:22:26 GMT
It's more the fact that a former US president has been brought up on criminal charges. This has never happened before. For the first time ever, Donald Trump is actually facing real consequences. That's not nothing, and it's important to acknowledge that.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 30, 2023 22:27:37 GMT
I mean, a real consequence would be him getting convicted of something. That's a "first" I'd care more about.
But I've banged that drum enough, I guess we'll see how it goes. I'm more hopeful about the Georgia thing.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 30, 2023 22:28:07 GMT
He likes to break new ground does Donny; first president to be impeached twice and the first former president to be indicted.
All the stuff like the sex crimes he's almost certainly done, the racism, being indebted to the Russians and all the other bullshit show just how unique he is, hopefully we never see his like again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2023 22:31:25 GMT
Fox News are spinning this so hard it's a wonder they don't pass out from motion sickness.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Mar 30, 2023 22:52:56 GMT
Which direction will he be sent
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Post by JuniorFE on Mar 30, 2023 23:17:26 GMT
Lol @ Truth Social's "verified" tick being red. Republican "pride" innit...
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Post by malek86 on Mar 30, 2023 23:51:17 GMT
Can't help but think it's pointless. They should have indicted him for something proper serious.
Reminds me of the Berlusconi trials. And those didn't go too well in the end.
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Post by richardiox on Mar 31, 2023 0:06:51 GMT
Spoiler warning: the rich and powerful will almost always get away with anything.
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Post by aubergine on Mar 31, 2023 2:25:14 GMT
I mean, a real consequence would be him getting convicted of something. That's a "first" I'd care more about. But I've banged that drum enough, I guess we'll see how it goes. I'm more hopeful about the Georgia thing. Sure, but the cunt has somehow never been brought up on criminal charges his entire life, despite all the evidence of fraud that’s been public knowledge for at least forty years. He has ten civil cases against him every week but who cares about those, he just waits them out or settles with the money he’s stolen and just steals more from someone else. Given he has something like four or more criminal investigations into his affairs, at state and federal levels, and this is just the first to kick it up a notch, it’s a significant moment in history. He’ll try to use it to incite another insurrection, but I suspect he has fewer nutters willing to bat for him, and Fox is hopefully about to lose a billion dollars for their own years of fraud. If Fox gets away with it, I can’t see how that’s not a bullet in the head of American Democracy. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 31, 2023 3:02:16 GMT
Yeah look, I want the guy to get his dues as much as anyone. I just don't think this is the thing that's going to do it, even in a "that's how they got Al Capone" kind of way. Anyone I've listened to who knows the technicalities of these cases, says that this one is the weakest of them all, and that we should pin more of our hopes on the Georgia thing.
But I hope they're wrong!
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Post by khanivor on Mar 31, 2023 3:28:14 GMT
This breaks the seal. There’s no longer a question of whether a firmer president will be indicted. This removes the pressure from all the other investigations. It’ll be much easier for them to proceed in accordance with the evidence of crimes without having the question of whether to indict a former president in play any longer
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 31, 2023 3:46:01 GMT
Eh, I think the other investigations would have proceeded anyway. Especially since their evidence is more substantial.
Hell, the Georgia case has a literal phonecall asking a guy to change an election result. If any of the cases result in a conviction, it's going to be that one imo.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 31, 2023 4:29:02 GMT
On the other hand, if this case turns out to be weak and he gets off, won't that add to the pressure on the other investigations because it'll allow all his supporters to claim even more loudly that they're just trumped up political charges?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2023 4:32:53 GMT
It's unlikely the Manhattan DA would have brought charges to bear against a former president if he didn't have an incredibly strong case. He knows as well as anyone what the stakes are.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 31, 2023 5:22:18 GMT
*shrug*
Guess we'll find out Tuesday when the charges are made public.
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Post by X201 on Mar 31, 2023 5:30:50 GMT
Apparently his lawyers are negotiating the terms of his arrest.
I’m sure that’s the same process for every American.
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Post by Dougs on Mar 31, 2023 5:38:03 GMT
Obviously we'll have to see what happens in court, but it does seem to be a bit flimsy.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Mar 31, 2023 5:42:22 GMT
There’s no longer a question of whether a firmer president will be indicted. Most of the other presidents were firmer than Trump, to be fair. |
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Post by cubby on Mar 31, 2023 6:53:49 GMT
SO MUCH FIRMER, SO SAD!
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 31, 2023 7:30:31 GMT
Just reading the Guardian report on the Fox News response - www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/31/donald-trump-indicted-reaction-how-fox-news-reported-indictmentUnbelievable (and terrifying) that they are allowed to broadcast one of their commentators (a sports commentator) saying "They are agitating for unrest … I’m ready for whatever’s next. And I hope that every other man watching this is ready for whatever’s next." How such a blatant attempt to push for violence is considered legal is beyond me. America needs to get it's act together. I really hope that this and the other cases against him go through, as well as bringing to light evidence of just how nasty Trump clearly is. And hopefully more of the Republican party. Their unwillingness to distance themselves from Trump's actions, particularly towards the dying days of his presidency, should be a stain on them they are unable to remove and they should come crashing down alongside him. They won't |
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Post by geefe on Mar 31, 2023 7:40:53 GMT
Oh America is gone at this point. Best case is a split and all the gun nuts head down to a cluster of states in the south east.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 31, 2023 7:56:27 GMT
This breaks the seal. There’s no longer a question of whether a firmer president will be indicted. This removes the pressure from all the other investigations. It’ll be much easier for them to proceed in accordance with the evidence of crimes without having the question of whether to indict a former president in play any longer I think this is the thing. It's almost as if no one dared to make the first move, even though there's undoubtedly evidence of more serious crimes.
Bragg has taken the first step and I suspect now that more will follow. Fox and the Republicans will snarl and gnash their teeth and try to foment rebellion but it seems unlikely that his rubes want to face their own legal issues with no chance of being saved by their hero.
He'll try to do his usual - tie this up with legal arguments and suchlike - but he doesn't have any lawyers worth a shit left, so it's likely to be pure theatre.
I expect there to be an announcement that he's got a long term illness - one that doesn't show any symptoms, of course - very soon.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Mar 31, 2023 8:00:47 GMT
Now this is a real application of AI
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Post by geefe on Mar 31, 2023 8:19:04 GMT
What the actual fuck is that?
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Post by malek86 on Mar 31, 2023 8:20:46 GMT
On the other hand, if this case turns out to be weak and he gets off, won't that add to the pressure on the other investigations because it'll allow all his supporters to claim even more loudly that they're just trumped up political charges? That's what worries me most. If he gets acquitted, people will be like "so it was just a political attack by the Dems after all". And if he himself doesn't benefit from it, other Reps will. |
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Post by cristar on Mar 31, 2023 8:39:27 GMT
Spoiler warning: the rich and powerful will almost always get away with anything. Pretty much. The entire financial institution in America, Wall Street, etc are just corrupt to continually fill the pockets of the rich. Most billionaires, in reality, are in part criminals or at the least, made by a corrupt system. |
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Post by Zomoniac on Mar 31, 2023 8:51:51 GMT
Spoiler warning: the rich and powerful will almost always get away with anything. Pretty much. The entire financial institution in America, Wall Street, etc are just corrupt to continually fill the pockets of the rich. Most billionaires, in reality, are in part criminals or at the least, made by a corrupt system. But every now and again there's an Epstein, Weinstein or Madoff that makes you think 'just maybe'. |
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Post by Ulythium on Mar 31, 2023 9:35:59 GMT
The sight of all the leading Republicans - including Pence, whom Trump would happily have seen lynched rather than admit that he LOST A FUCKING ELECTION - queuing up to tongue The Orange One's wrinkly, unwashed balloon knot is both vaguely amusing and thoroughly depressing.
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Post by dogbot on Mar 31, 2023 10:33:22 GMT
The usual suspects are also queuing up on social media to do the same - threaten violent insurrection (again) and suchlike.
Thankfully, the likelihood of their ever getting out of their seats is pretty slim, but they are definitely prepared to do violence. Honest.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 31, 2023 10:43:00 GMT
The usual suspects are also queuing up on social media to do the same - threaten violent insurrection (again) and suchlike. Thankfully, the likelihood of their ever getting out of their seats is pretty slim, but they are definitely prepared to do violence. Honest. Now, now we all know those people making threats are ANTIFA, or BLM, or the FBI. No, it's definitely the CIA. Definitely. |
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