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Post by JuniorFE on Sept 16, 2024 12:35:49 GMT
He might be better off just playing in the golf simulator. No chance of that. It would accurately record the score. Just have someone make a GameShark code that only records one out of every three strokes if the username is Donald, Trump, DJT etc
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 16, 2024 12:58:25 GMT
I think his specific brand of populism will fall apart without him. There are plenty of crazy people in American politics, but none of them have quite his combination of cultish TV star charisma, plus utter and complete lack of shame. The problem is that people like him and Boris show others that if they just lie without shame and never admit fault then they can win.. for a time at least. the Tories had a whole bunch of wannabe Borises who tried using his playbook. It didn't go that well for them in the end, but they caused a fair bit of damage in the meantime, and are still running the conservative party.
So I guess the Republican party will follow a similar path...
I think the experience of similar politicians in America at least - like, say, Trump's running mate - shows that the whole "lie as much as you want and nobody cares" thing isn't that easily replicated. People like Trump. At his best/worst he's got this kind of entertaining camp quality to him, a genuine talent of showmanship that reminds me a bit of a pro wrestling heel (I do not say this in admiration). He can be an asshole, and his fans lap it up. Vance (or De Santis, Cruz, Boris, etc) don't have that. People fundamentally don't like them, not least because they don't have anywhere near the kind of lizard brain charisma to get away with saying dumb shit.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 16, 2024 13:15:59 GMT
But then the human cigarette that is Nigel Farage is playing from the exact same hymn sheet as Trump and despite being as likeable as a foot fungus he's doing pretty well out of it.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Sept 16, 2024 13:20:17 GMT
And you have all the other grifters like Musk, MTG, etc.. who, while maybe not being as good at it as Trump, are still seemingly able to make a living out of it. At least for a while, until it all comes crashing down. Boris was basically as teflon as Trump for quite a while there.
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Post by Duffking on Sept 16, 2024 14:25:56 GMT
I think with Trump last time around they felt like he was a useful idiot and they'd be able to control him (they were wrong). This time around though, I think they're genuinely hitching their wagons to him.
The useful thing though is that I don't think any of those crazies really have any pull with the public like Trump somehow does, they're all JD Vance style fuckups who literally nobody likes. They're there for Trump more than the direction he's taking the party, though god knows why.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 16, 2024 14:37:39 GMT
Thick people will flock to liars that tell them what they want to hear. It happens everywhere.
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Post by Vandelay on Sept 16, 2024 14:43:30 GMT
Trump, Boris and Farage all came to the fore as entertainment figures though. Trumps been around for years, of course, but The Apprentice gave him the catchphrase and the strong public persona. Both Johnson and Farage were the figures that got dragged out on Have I Got News For You to be laughed at.
Once people associated these figures with being entertained, whether that be laughing at or with, it was much easier for people to carry on finding them entertaining when they started trying to push their political agenda. Someone like Vance hasn't got that same association in people's minds, so it is much easier to see through it. Whilst he is backing Trump and vice versa then it isn't such a problem for him, but if Trump weren't there no one would be supporting him.
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Post by rftp on Sept 16, 2024 14:50:24 GMT
I think Boris and Farage have much lesser versions of the charisma that's reached cult leader levels, but in the UK we are a bit less motivated by the flashy showmanship and it didn't work for as long, or requires things more substantial to allow it to continue. Boris couldn't survive on charisma alone and for all the "He'll be the next Tory PM!" from the Reform loons, I suspect Farage has just passed his absolute peak and it'll be downhill from here. It's harder to play at not being the establishment when you're... the establishment.
In the US, it's been clear for a while now that only Trump on the GOP side has the power and the pull to keep the hardcore base and the "undecided" morons voting, which is why the wagons are still hitched despite the fact that he can't string a sentence together. I think if something did happen before the election (and I am in no way calling for or hoping for that), they would be in utter disarray and even if they won on some massive sympathy sweep, it'd be a disaster.
Unfortunately, most Americans aren't as good at the ole' rootin' tootin' shootin' as they'd like the rest of the world to believe and Don ain't going nowhere on his own, except to the toilet in his trousers again.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 16, 2024 17:13:30 GMT
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Post by rawshark on Sept 16, 2024 17:40:00 GMT
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Post by Tuffty on Sept 16, 2024 18:22:25 GMT
Do we know if Farage has flown out yet to offer his support? Best friends and all that
Elementary school in Springfield, Ohio evacuated due to a bomb threat. One of many and hospitals also getting them too. And all since Trump/Vance opened their mouths.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 16, 2024 18:24:46 GMT
Do we know if Farage has flown out yet to offer his support? Best friends and all that Elementary school in Springfield, Ohio evacuated due to a bomb threat. One of many and hospitals also getting them too. And all since Trump/Vance opened their mouths. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?! SOMEONE TRIED TO KILL THE PEOPLE'S PRESIDENT. FUCK THEM KIDS!
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Post by Frog on Sept 16, 2024 18:45:22 GMT
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Post by rftp on Sept 16, 2024 18:50:52 GMT
I was going to make a joke about the GTAV mission on the golf course, but I don't want the bosses here getting a knock from the feds.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 16, 2024 20:45:15 GMT
Doom scrolling and spat my drink out.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 16, 2024 20:51:34 GMT
I'm sure he'd agree with Trump that he (Trump) is the worst treated president in history.
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Post by cubby on Sept 16, 2024 21:00:52 GMT
Int at Mark Rylance chillin?
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 16, 2024 21:22:53 GMT
I think his specific brand of populism will fall apart without him. There are plenty of crazy people in American politics, but none of them have quite his combination of cultish TV star charisma, plus utter and complete lack of shame. I'd love to believe this, but remember when we all thought how could it get any worse than George W Bush, and then Sarah Palin came along and we thought ok how could it get any worse than that...
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Post by Dougs on Sept 16, 2024 21:37:22 GMT
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 16, 2024 21:47:55 GMT
So calling it an attempt is pushing it a tad.
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Post by X201 on Sept 16, 2024 22:25:58 GMT
Based on what’s been released so far, the office junior could easily build a winning defence.
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Post by Duffking on Sept 16, 2024 23:11:05 GMT
Trump, Boris and Farage all came to the fore as entertainment figures though. Trumps been around for years, of course, but The Apprentice gave him the catchphrase and the strong public persona. Both Johnson and Farage were the figures that got dragged out on Have I Got News For You to be laughed at. Once people associated these figures with being entertained, whether that be laughing at or with, it was much easier for people to carry on finding them entertaining when they started trying to push their political agenda. Someone like Vance hasn't got that same association in people's minds, so it is much easier to see through it. Whilst he is backing Trump and vice versa then it isn't such a problem for him, but if Trump weren't there no one would be supporting him. That's another point, the same "free speech" people who believe that people shouldn't be allowed to express opinions different to their own if they have have a job that puts them in the public eye, are also the ones most likely to back some jumped up "celeb" twat like Trump, Fox, etc etc. I assume they're all just too thick to see the hypocrisy.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 17, 2024 0:13:53 GMT
I think his specific brand of populism will fall apart without him. There are plenty of crazy people in American politics, but none of them have quite his combination of cultish TV star charisma, plus utter and complete lack of shame. I'd love to believe this, but remember when we all thought how could it get any worse than George W Bush, and then Sarah Palin came along and we thought ok how could it get any worse than that... Again, it's not that Trump will depart and everything will be fine and normal again. But the MAGA thing is imo pretty strongly tied to him. It's a personality cult, and won't survive without that personality to hold it together. Bush and Palin didn't have anywhere near that kind of devotion. Anyway, it's definitely possible (or likely) that something worse than MAGA will come along in the future. But I think MAGA itself is going to die when Trump is gone.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 17, 2024 5:22:47 GMT
And he's using it to say that maybe God wants him to be president to save America.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 17, 2024 5:31:05 GMT
It sure would be nice if people stopped trying to assassinate political candidates. Even if they were successful in killing Trump, the result is going to be extremely fucked.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Sept 17, 2024 6:21:57 GMT
Your father's Milkshake. This is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster; an elegant weapon for a more civilized age.
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Post by X201 on Sept 17, 2024 6:39:42 GMT
I’m with the dog.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Sept 17, 2024 7:29:15 GMT
Wazzock. Love it.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 17, 2024 8:00:32 GMT
It may come under a different name but the spirit of American exceptionalism has been there since Plymouth Rock and isn’t going anywhere.
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Post by rftp on Sept 17, 2024 9:38:26 GMT
Trump saying that he heard shots and the Secret Service reacted.
"Secret Service knew immediately it was bullets, and they grabbed me," said Trump during a live-streamed event on X, formerly Twitter, from his Mar-a-Lago resort.
It's already been announced that Routh didn't discharge his weapon.
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