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Post by darkling on Oct 30, 2022 15:15:12 GMT
Also of course they have hdr10... That's the standard. DV adds more scene by scene differentiation. If TV has no DV it defaults to hdr10. Yeah obviously the TV has HDR10, but will Netflix know to serve up a programme in HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision, if your TV doesn't support Dolby Vision? All HDR content on Netflix, D+, and Apple TV has the Dolby Vision logo. As you say, Dolby Vision has a lot more metadata so that HDR can be implemented differently on a scene-by-scene basis, but I'm not sure if Dolby Vision is a natural extension of HDR10, and if it gracefully falls back to HDR10 when a TV doesn't support DV. I thought Dolby Vision was its own standard. |
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Post by darkling on Oct 30, 2022 15:18:30 GMT
I think holding out for Black Friday is becoming a bit of a fallacy. I'm glad I bought my CX when I saw a good John Lewis deal, because there were no good CX offers a few weeks later on Black Friday. If you're looking for a discount, I'd say the best tactic is to decide on a TV, setup a HUKD alert for that TV, and periodically check good retailers for offers (Richer Sounds, John Lewis, etc.) which will inevitably pop up now and again. Sure. But given that the prices on those two TVs is how they've been tracking for a little while, waiting one month just to see is probably a good bet. I wouldn't have said the same thing if this came up in July.  I got lucky recently actually with a PC monitor. I had my eye on a Samsung Neo G7, but fuck paying the better part of £1200 for one so was gonna hang on for Black Friday. Kept an eye out and Samsung ran a 25% off promo last week, so I bit their arm off. Unlikely that Black Friday is gonna beat that (by much, if at all). Exactly my point. Even if it's only 2 weeks till Black Friday, if you see a great deal it's best just to take it, as you rightfully did. There's no guarantees on Black Friday deals whatsoever, and it's much better to simply have your ear to the ground when it comes to prices all year round. Also, it's common for prices to mysteriously increase leading up to Black Friday, meaning it's hard to find good deals unless you've done your research. |
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 30, 2022 15:31:40 GMT
The Samsung Oled in question has been massively discounted already . I doubt it can drop much more especially with the world cup imminent.
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Post by Derblington on Oct 30, 2022 15:43:54 GMT
The Samsung QD-OLED has 4x HDMI2.1.
DV falls back to HDR10 if DV isn’t present (the only reason you see DV on Netflix is if your tv supports it, otherwise it says HDR).
The OS is Tizen, which is the Samsung OS on all the TVs. Nothing wrong with it specifically, I just think it’s a bit shit personally.
HDTVTest did a Blind shootout a month or so back. The Sony QD-OLED won, followed by a Panasonic (I think) then the Samsung QD-OLED, then LGs G2 EVO (only the latest Evo panels will get anywhere near bright enough compare, and they don’t really). All were pretty close though. Just buy the Samsung.
LG are going to struggle going forward I think. Samsung have reduced their manufacturing costs of the QD-OLED by 40%, hence all the recent price drops. They’re going to go hard on this tech going forward, and LG will struggle to keep pace with their regular OLEDs. Hopefully they’ll go the QD-OLED route as well, as I like their OS and Dolby Vision.
Or Samsung could stop being dicks and support DV and I’ll put up with their OS.
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Post by paulyboy81 on Oct 30, 2022 16:48:47 GMT
I took the plunge on the 65" S95B about a month ago with the deal from HUKD I posted in the home theatre thread a while back.
Can't recommend it enough to anyone considering one, my only 3 gripes would be:
1. In typical Samsung fashion build quality isn't great in comparison to the LG CX we have in the man cave. That said, once it's mounted on the wall you never touch it again, so bit of a non issue.
2. The Tizen OS isn't my favourite. It does everything you need it to and has every smart feature and/or app you could possibly hope for in a modern TV, it's just not my cup of tea, never has been, felt the same about my KS7000.
3. It needs some tinkering out of the box to really deliver it's best, probably more so than any TV I've bought in recent memory. Plenty of owners threads and info about to tackle that though.
Beyond that we're pretty thrilled with it in all honesty. It's capable of making the LG CX we have look comparatively quite dull at times with HDR content.
The lack of DV was initially annoying, but firing up any previously Dolby Vision content from Netflix or Disney+ in "just" HDR10 on a TV this capable goes a long way to alleviating the fear of missing out.
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Post by darrenb on Nov 1, 2022 20:00:33 GMT
Got a 65 S95B too and would agree with all that. The OS can be a pain but once you have your shortcuts set up most of the bloat can be ignored.
I would say, if you don't mount it on the wall, with kids you'd be scared to death the glass thick panel would get broken.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 4:56:41 GMT
Also of course they have hdr10... That's the standard. DV adds more scene by scene differentiation. If TV has no DV it defaults to hdr10. Yeah obviously the TV has HDR10, but will Netflix know to serve up a programme in HDR10 instead of Dolby Vision, if your TV doesn't support Dolby Vision? All HDR content on Netflix, D+, and Apple TV has the Dolby Vision logo. As you say, Dolby Vision has a lot more metadata so that HDR can be implemented differently on a scene-by-scene basis, but I'm not sure if Dolby Vision is a natural extension of HDR10, and if it gracefully falls back to HDR10 when a TV doesn't support DV. I thought Dolby Vision was its own standard. Yes. My Sony TV was from the year just before they implemented Dolby Vision into their sets. Everything that supports both Dolby Vision or Samsung's HDR10+ also supports standard HDR10, and it looks fantastic. I honestly couldn't tell you what I'm missing as I don't have a DV capable TV for comparison. Maybe I'm missing some contrast from not having an OLED and them true blacks, but HDR10 on its own is fantastic, and even more widely supported than either premier HDR formats. Though DV has since became fairly standard as well. |
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Post by puddleduck on Nov 14, 2022 22:23:40 GMT
So I didn't end up biting despite all your excellent advice. Is the LG C2 basically the one to get if the price is drops to something I'm happy paying. Can get one for £1052 at the moment but would I have been better off with the Samsung S95 I think it was that I was asking about before? Cheers again!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 0:00:07 GMT
You're fine with either. Trade offs being brighter highlights and more vibrant colors on the Samsung vs Dolby Vision on the LG. Don't think either would disappoint, and you wouldn't notice a difference unless you owned both and placed them side by side.
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Post by Derblington on Nov 15, 2022 9:12:35 GMT
Sammy would have been the better buy, aye, but the C2 is a great TV.
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Post by Duffman5 on Nov 18, 2022 7:05:55 GMT
Keeping an eye on the 2022 LG QNED816QA 55" on the Amazon BF deals. It is £700 at the mo, would love £550 mark. I think the series X/PS5 will look and play class on it
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Nov 18, 2022 8:31:11 GMT
Duffman5 I have that TV, all good, see the page before this one, paid £700 from JL so at least have a decent warranty.
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Post by SpiralScratch on Nov 18, 2022 16:55:40 GMT
Tempted by the LG 42" C2 for £749 at Amazon, they've added a £100 off voucher today, was £849. I'd rather buy from John Lewis for the 5 year guarantee, but £949 there unless they do another price cut next week.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Nov 18, 2022 18:10:57 GMT
Richer Sounds have a 6 warranty on TV's btw but I have no experience of how well they deal with repairs.
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Post by richardiox on Nov 18, 2022 18:31:47 GMT
Tempted by the LG 42" C2 for £749 at Amazon, they've added a £100 off voucher today, was £849. I'd rather buy from John Lewis for the 5 year guarantee, but £949 there unless they do another price cut next week. Not sure about the C2 but remember reading up when I got my CX that models sub 50" have features stripped back |
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Post by SpiralScratch on Nov 19, 2022 9:10:57 GMT
Tempted by the LG 42" C2 for £749 at Amazon, they've added a £100 off voucher today, was £849. I'd rather buy from John Lewis for the 5 year guarantee, but £949 there unless they do another price cut next week. Not sure about the C2 but remember reading up when I got my CX that models sub 50" have features stripped back From what I've read, same panel, same processor, the 42 and 48 C2s go less bright than the larger ones and the sound is a little lacklustre (not too bothered I've got a good soundbar), other features all the same i think. Some compromises unavoidable, it's for a small room and a even 48" is pushing it for the corner it needs to fit in |
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Post by SpiralScratch on Nov 23, 2022 14:48:39 GMT
Ended up getting the 42" C2 for £799 from John Lewis. Pretty happy with that.
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Post by Duffman5 on Nov 23, 2022 14:58:38 GMT
Duffman5 I have that TV, all good, see the page before this one, paid £700 from JL so at least have a decent warranty. Nice one, I'm still hoping for a drop but it is looking less likely now, still I will wait until Friday at least and then see. |
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Post by Happenstance on Dec 26, 2022 17:16:52 GMT
Looking to get a new TV in the Christmas sales and have pretty much settled on the Samsung S95B so happy to see the positive comments on it here.
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Post by Duffman5 on Dec 26, 2022 19:59:23 GMT
Looking to get a new TV in the Christmas sales and have pretty much settled on the Samsung S95B so happy to see the positive comments on it here. Looks nice. I have 2 Samsung tv's, not as new as that mind you and the only negative albeit a big one for me is that they are too dark. I only use for my series x and ps5 but even in game mode they are so dark. I have messed around with settings and can't seem to get them to look "bright" I'm going to go with LG or Hisense next, they seem to offer a lot of bang for your buck. |
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Post by technoish on Dec 27, 2022 9:32:58 GMT
Samsung isn't bright enough, I will get an LG
Said no one ever!!!
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Post by clemfandango on Dec 27, 2022 10:24:43 GMT
Samsung isn't bright enough, I will get an LG Said no one ever!!! Yeah this, Samsungs are eye searingly bright, duffman that doesn’t sound right at all |
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Post by PatrickEwing on Dec 27, 2022 10:32:10 GMT
Does your budget stretch to Sony A95k? Reviewing pretty pretty pretty good
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Post by darkling on Dec 27, 2022 10:37:42 GMT
Samsung isn't bright enough, I will get an LG Said no one ever!!! Yeah this, Samsungs are eye searingly bright, duffman that doesn’t sound right at all It would massively help if Duffman specified the model of those 2 Samsungs he mentioned, or at least the screen technology. I'm guessing they're LCDs. |
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Post by clemfandango on Dec 27, 2022 10:42:05 GMT
Yeah this, Samsungs are eye searingly bright, duffman that doesn’t sound right at all It would massively help if Duffman specified the model of those 2 Samsungs he mentioned, or at least the screen technology. I'm guessing they're LCDs. Even the older lcds are really bright, I’m wondering if he has a hidden eco setting on or something |
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Dec 27, 2022 10:49:17 GMT
The LCD part hasn't changed much over the years , it's the backlight tech that has improved. Mini LED/Qled like Clem says burns your eyeballs. Duffs must be quite old. Having said that some budget models still use the old tech in the backlights so I'd be checking out potential purchases in Currys etc before I buy. Some of the budget LG'S look awful.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Dec 27, 2022 10:51:29 GMT
It would massively help if Duffman specified the model of those 2 Samsungs he mentioned, or at least the screen technology. I'm guessing they're LCDs. Even the older lcds are really bright, I’m wondering if he has a hidden eco setting on or something Eco mode was the default setting on my new QN 94 and looked awful. I thought it was broken until I found that setting and turned it off. |
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Post by darkling on Dec 27, 2022 11:31:52 GMT
After being mentioned so much, I've just been looking at the Samsung S95B compared to the LG C2 and it looks like really a good TV and actually has the necessary 4x HDMI 2.1 ports (essential).
Only downsides seem to be that the image can sometimes be a bit too bright and washed out compared to the LG OLEDs, and the UI looks like a sluggish nightmare, but it generally gives a much brighter and more detailed image than the LG OLEDs.
Also, bloody ell... LG OLEDs have come down in price about £500 since I bought my CX 2 years ago, but you'd be devastated if you'd bought an S95B earlier this year, given they've dropped over £1k in 8 months!
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Dec 27, 2022 12:29:28 GMT
It looks decent enough if you're not fussed about a mega bright image although if that's the case I'd go for an LG oled. The Samsung UI is crap as you say compared with the LG .
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Post by Derblington on Dec 27, 2022 12:41:03 GMT
LG have a new tech that’s a layer that will redirect deflected ambient light, or something like that, to make their OLEDs brighter without using the QD tech. Unfortunately it got delayed from launch next year and won’t be live until 24, so QD-OLED will gain some serious market next year (which is fine in itself but the Sony tax makes their sets very expensive, for less gaming-ready ports, and Samsung won’t adopt Dolby Vision so the options still have pretty annoying cons).
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