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Post by darkling on Sept 26, 2022 8:13:56 GMT
I also think it's worth noting that settings found online always give you the most "accurate" picture (accurate to the creator's intent) but that might not necessarily be what you want, especially for games.
I prefer having slightly more vivid colours, for example, so I've got this setting higher than recommended. When gaming, lack of detail in dark areas is a common issue, so you might want a brighter but less accurate image.
Subjective settings aside, I found Vincent's settings videos on HDTVTest the best for understanding things like HDR tone mapping on the LG OLEDs / Series X.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 26, 2022 8:49:18 GMT
Yeah I always go for higher contrast with gaming.
With my TVs the main thing I obsess over, and this may be an OLED thing, is where the black level is on the brightness setting. Like your true black, then 1% grey, 2% grey and so on. It's a pain trying to calibrate that for all sources so that true black is black and not grey, and conversely so that the dark greys are not crushed to black.
It's bizarre to me that this isn't automated yet. In a world where HDR tone mapping works just fine why the fuck can the TV not know where the true black and true white parameters sit.
(I know that this is heavily influenced by the brightness of the room but like calibrate it for perfect conditions and then let the user tweak from there. Or just note on the brightness slider where "correct" is).
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 26, 2022 8:50:51 GMT
By the way with dark/horror games, I tend to adjust the in-game brightness rather than mess with my TV.
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Post by darkling on Sept 27, 2022 11:01:55 GMT
Yeah I always go for higher contrast with gaming. With my TVs the main thing I obsess over, and this may be an OLED thing, is where the black level is on the brightness setting. Like your true black, then 1% grey, 2% grey and so on. It's a pain trying to calibrate that for all sources so that true black is black and not grey, and conversely so that the dark greys are not crushed to black. It's bizarre to me that this isn't automated yet. In a world where HDR tone mapping works just fine why the fuck can the TV not know where the true black and true white parameters sit. (I know that this is heavily influenced by the brightness of the room but like calibrate it for perfect conditions and then let the user tweak from there. Or just note on the brightness slider where "correct" is). I completely agree. There are objective best settings for a 4K OLED which should be selected by default out of the box, or at the very least the TV should auto-select the best tone mapping, sharpness, motion settings, etc. by default, based on the detected input device. I suppose a TV's default settings are selected in the name of compatibility, so they're settings that'll work for all source types. |
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 29, 2022 19:12:31 GMT
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Post by deebs on Sept 30, 2022 1:08:46 GMT
Do consoles do over 60 frames yet? If so, I would say get a high refresh TV. I find anything too far under 100 frames unplayable these days. 60-80 frames feels like a belt sander against my brain in first person games, but other games are fine.
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Post by Lizard on Sept 30, 2022 1:28:03 GMT
Make sure to get one you can connect audio to.
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Post by baihu1983 on Oct 4, 2022 16:17:28 GMT
No results found for my TV on Rtings
Panasonic tx50jx800b
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 16:23:47 GMT
Oh yeah, Panasonic abandoned the North American market ages ago, and rtings is based in Montreal. Maybe AVForums has something?
Sony's X90K is on sale at the moment and I'm considering picking one up. $1200 for a 65".
It can actually wait. I think I want to order a new iPhone before I upgrade my TV, but that price is tempting. Something to look forward to near Black Friday, I suppose.
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Post by rawshark on Oct 4, 2022 17:40:09 GMT
With much puppy eyes and begging I was able to persuade Mrs Shark to allow me to turn one of the guest rooms into a guest room / gamer room / cinema room. Only problem is Black Friday feels so far away. I want to get the rig set up asap but she’s telling me to hold off for another eight weeks.
Just to put it to the FG hive mind test, have you ever deeply regretted not holding out til Black Friday, or alternatively what is the best deal you’ve swiped on what is easily the worst named day of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 18:09:22 GMT
Sometimes there's better deals outside of Black Friday, and there's less competition for stock too.
The TV I currently have, the Sony X900E/XE90, I remember I paid $1000 for it on sale during the whole Christmas leadup, but about a month prior to that, the same TV, for one day only, was going for $750. So if you can find a price that sounds just too good to skip, I'd say go for it. But if it's the same sales price you see regularly, you can probably just wait till BF.
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Post by technoish on Oct 4, 2022 20:32:11 GMT
Hdtvtest has a couple videos on YouTube covering TV prices and when to buy.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Oct 14, 2022 9:04:42 GMT
So had this TV for about a week now, all good so far, so much nicer to have a non clunky and buggy software like the old Sony and the picture is certainly an improvement, depending on the source. There doesn't seem to be a definitive way of establishing the resolution when I'm running my PS4 Pro through it but pretty sure it's displaying at max resolution. I can get an info screen up that says 2160 but I would have expected it to say 3840x2160. |
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Post by puddleduck on Oct 29, 2022 13:43:25 GMT
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Post by Phattso on Oct 29, 2022 13:50:04 GMT
Is there a reason The One True Fontgeek OLED isn't on your list?  |
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 29, 2022 13:55:42 GMT
A quick glance at the reviews saying that the Sony has only 2 full spec 2.1 hdmi sockets and is not overly bright. I personally think the Samsung edges it slightly.
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Post by One_Vurfed_Gwrx on Oct 29, 2022 14:04:08 GMT
I can't compare to the Samsung but I got an A84J 65 last year (basically the same as A80j) and have really liked it. Good upscaling and motion on non game stuff too. Switch games look fine. I only have a PS5 that needs the 2.1 HDMI so whether the 2 sockets is a deal-breaker or not is up to you. Had all of its VRR etc added last year. Not sure if it has the same range of frequency as Xbox Series X or not though as I don't have one.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 29, 2022 14:15:10 GMT
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Post by Derblington on Oct 29, 2022 14:36:33 GMT
Samsung, without a doubt.
If you were going against this years Sony QD-OLED I’d go that way, but you’re not. Only things that I find shitty about the Sammy are the OS (I just think it’s a bit shit) and lack of Dolby Vision.
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Post by puddleduck on Oct 29, 2022 14:52:24 GMT
Samsung, without a doubt. If you were going against this years Sony QD-OLED I’d go that way, but you’re not. Only things that I find shitty about the Sammy are the OS (I just think it’s a bit shit) and lack of Dolby Vision. Thanks all. So that was one of the things actually. Is Dolby vision going to matter? |
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Post by puddleduck on Oct 29, 2022 15:02:58 GMT
Is there a reason The One True Fontgeek OLED isn't on your list? Should it be? Is that gonna the LG one? These were just on offer but if someone has a recommendation outside these two TVs my budget can be flexible 😎 |
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Post by Dougs on Oct 29, 2022 15:08:27 GMT
Always a lot of love for the LG Oleds, but depending on circs, may not be for everyone - some worry about screen burn, and if you have a bright room, you may struggle with glare.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 29, 2022 15:11:32 GMT
Yeah - I should think the LG C1 will probably be in this price bracket if you're looking at a 55 incher, with the C2 being a little higher as it's the latest model. If you hold off until Black Friday I should imagine all of your options will have some sort of discount. I think the Sony gets a little brighter than the LGs (or I might be misremembering) but I've never been unhappy with my CX even in my relatively bright front room. Having the four HDMI 2.1 inputs has been a real boon too. One for the eARC to the Sonos sound bar, one for the Series X, and one for the PS5 for the one weekend a month I bring it's hideous form into my living room. |
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Post by Derblington on Oct 30, 2022 10:46:35 GMT
The Sammy QD-OLED will outperform all the standard OLEDs in brightness. It’s still the best option for an all rounder.
With regards to DV - I would want it but realistically you probably won’t notice much difference without a comparison, and if you’ve never had it then it really won’t matter.
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Post by darkling on Oct 30, 2022 13:00:37 GMT
Samsung, without a doubt. If you were going against this years Sony QD-OLED I’d go that way, but you’re not. Only things that I find shitty about the Sammy are the OS (I just think it’s a bit shit) and lack of Dolby Vision. Hate to muddy the water, but they'd be two huge deal breakers for me. The OS is so important because that's what's driving everything, and that's the thing you're interacting with constantly. A bad OS ruins a TV. I really like LG's webOS. How bad is the Samsung OS? Also, although Dolby Vision isn't the go-to standard for gaming yet (due to lack of support and poor implementation) it'd be crazy to buy a TV of this calibre that doesn't support it. Netflix, Disney+ and Apple TV all use the Dolby Vision HDR standard. That said, I'm unsure if HDR10 is offered up instead of Dolby Vision, if your TV doesn't support DV. If that's the case, it's no issue, as long as you're getting HDR whenever possible. |
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Post by technoish on Oct 30, 2022 13:38:46 GMT
Samsung OS is fine if it is same from 2019.
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Post by darkling on Oct 30, 2022 13:41:07 GMT
Yeah - I should think the LG C1 will probably be in this price bracket if you're looking at a 55 incher, with the C2 being a little higher as it's the latest model. If you hold off until Black Friday I should imagine all of your options will have some sort of discount. I think the Sony gets a little brighter than the LGs (or I might be misremembering) but I've never been unhappy with my CX even in my relatively bright front room. Having the four HDMI 2.1 inputs has been a real boon too. One for the eARC to the Sonos sound bar, one for the Series X, and one for the PS5 for the one weekend a month I bring it's hideous form into my living room. I think holding out for Black Friday is becoming a bit of a fallacy. I'm glad I bought my CX when I saw a good John Lewis deal, because there were no good CX offers a few weeks later on Black Friday. If you're looking for a discount, I'd say the best tactic is to decide on a TV, setup a HUKD alert for that TV, and periodically check good retailers for offers (Richer Sounds, John Lewis, etc.) which will inevitably pop up now and again. You're so right about the 4 HDMI 2.1 ports on the LGs. They're essential in my opinion, unless you have equipment that offers multiple HDMI-in ports and pass thru. You'll obviously need one for each console you want to connect (and they'll need to be 2.1 ports for newer consoles) as well a 2.1 eARC-enabled port for a soundbar. |
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Post by technoish on Oct 30, 2022 13:47:21 GMT
Also of course they have hdr10... That's the standard. DV adds more scene by scene differentiation. If TV has no DV it defaults to hdr10.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Oct 30, 2022 13:53:31 GMT
Samsung OS is fine as is LG's . Sony still insisting on Android which is shite in my experience. So if you need Dolby Vision it would have to be an LG.
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Post by Phattso on Oct 30, 2022 14:48:44 GMT
I think holding out for Black Friday is becoming a bit of a fallacy. I'm glad I bought my CX when I saw a good John Lewis deal, because there were no good CX offers a few weeks later on Black Friday. If you're looking for a discount, I'd say the best tactic is to decide on a TV, setup a HUKD alert for that TV, and periodically check good retailers for offers (Richer Sounds, John Lewis, etc.) which will inevitably pop up now and again. Sure. But given that the prices on those two TVs is how they've been tracking for a little while, waiting one month just to see is probably a good bet. I wouldn't have said the same thing if this came up in July. I got lucky recently actually with a PC monitor. I had my eye on a Samsung Neo G7, but fuck paying the better part of £1200 for one so was gonna hang on for Black Friday. Kept an eye out and Samsung ran a 25% off promo last week, so I bit their arm off. Unlikely that Black Friday is gonna beat that (by much, if at all). |
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