Duffman5
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Post by Duffman5 on Dec 24, 2021 7:45:15 GMT
Morning ratfans So managed to get the latest consoles at last! I'm reading that to get the "best" of them I should use a 120fps TV (or monitor, not interested in that though) I currently have a 2020 4K Samsung, not 120 though. I have been looking at the LG's, price range £800 Will the jump make that much difference. To be frank I just want Gears multiplayer to run better/smoother, will this be achieved with the 120fps, I mean I know/assume it will but will I actually notice ? Thank you for help/piss taking at my shite knowledge!  |
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Post by dominalien on Dec 24, 2021 7:48:52 GMT
Of course it will. 120 is two times sixty.
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Post by dfunked on Dec 24, 2021 8:15:10 GMT
I wouldn't say 120fps is really needed. I've got a 2018 TV that can do that at 1440p and I've used it once for Ori. If a game has the option of 4k/60 and lower +120 I'll just go with the former, especially with the Xbox and VRR.
Really depends on what you already have if it's worth an upgrade. LG CX (?) seems to be highly regarded.
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Post by Phattso on Dec 24, 2021 10:33:26 GMT
If you play a lot of Gears (and I know you do) then of course you'll notice. But does it matter? Probably not.
One thing you will notice going from your Samsung LCD/LED TV to an LG OLED TV is that the LG isn't as bright or impactful at the HDR stuff. In every other regard, however, it'll kick the shit out of the Samsung. I have the CX and love it. Not sure it's gettable in the £800 range though.
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Post by richardiox on Dec 24, 2021 10:43:59 GMT
(Decent) HDR / Dolby Vision support and VRR support are bigger difference makers than 120fps in my opinion. Even games with 120fps options I tend to opt for 60 with the extra jingle bells and whistles.
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Post by Zomoniac on Dec 24, 2021 11:14:08 GMT
Seconded with VRR. I went from a 4K 60 Bravia without VRR to an LG CX. Destiny 2’s Crucible went from 60fps to 120 and I couldn’t tell the difference. I’m sure I could side by side, but I couldn’t feel it. However AC Valhalla, which suffers awful stuttering and tearing on Series X with a fixed refresh, suddenly became buttery smooth thanks to VRR.
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Post by Warrender on Dec 24, 2021 12:10:23 GMT
I have a LG TV capable of 120 fps but only because of my intense FOMO-itis. I doubt I really need it as 60 fps is just fine for my gaming needs. IMO, 120 fps is for games which need the added precision like multiplayer shooters or platformers, neither of which I really play anymore due to old age robbing me of fast-twitch reflexes.
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Post by technoish on Dec 24, 2021 13:31:12 GMT
Totally agree if slightly different slant. I definitely want 120 Hz for my next TV, as I mainly play online shooters. 100% makes a big difference there.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 22, 2022 13:04:16 GMT
This thread seems suitable, so I'm expecting to either be refunded or given the choice of a new TV from John Lewis after the last one died, I spent about £650 on the last one, this one to be specific: www.sony.co.uk/electronics/support/televisions-projectors-lcd-tvs/kd-55xe7003/specifications and apart from the software being a bit shit the picture has been fine enough for me, hooking up the PS4Pro and getting the settings just right played dividends and it looks gorgeous. I'm not quite sure how these things work, presumably they'll offer me one they have in stock up to the value of £650 or I can spend a bit extra I guess, so that seems to leave a single TV at that price or thereabouts, anything wrong with this one: www.johnlewis.com/samsung-qe55q65b-2022-qled-hdr-4k-ultra-hd-smart-tv-55-inch-with-tvplus-freesat-hd-titan-grey/p6230028I need an internal freesat tuner, 3 x hdmi's, bluetooth and optical out. All fairly standard stuff which it has, just want to check it's not an obvious lemon of a TV. I'd heard a few years ago that Samsung were putting forced adverts on, is that still a thing or can t just be turned off? |
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Post by Frog on Sept 22, 2022 13:09:58 GMT
With mine they deemed it unfixable, however they didn't give me the whole value. They offered me a replacement model or the option to take cash minus a bit as I had X amount of usage from it. The amount was very fair though and i was perfectly happy with it.
Going back a few years now though so it may have changed
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 22, 2022 13:20:13 GMT
That makes sense I guess and thinking about it years ago when I had a fridge go wrong (not from JL) that could not be fixed they did a similar thing. Hmm, might have to stump up more than I thought.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 22, 2022 13:38:43 GMT
Now I kinda need to know what TV Duffman got
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Post by darkling on Sept 22, 2022 17:02:07 GMT
Mass Effect Legendary Ed. @120fps in HDR looks utterly glorious on my LG CX.
I do like playing at 120fps when possible, because I think the difference in fluidity is huge, but with modern games it usually comes at too big a cost ie. 1080p.
That said, I'm still undecided on Deathloop @120fps. I don't think the drop to 1080p is that noticeable for this game, for some reason, so I'm favouring the 120fps mode at the mo.
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Post by Psiloc on Sept 23, 2022 9:07:04 GMT
I'm in the "120fps is a surprisingly small improvement to 60fps" gang. For me like you say it's definitely not worth the sacrifice with the games I want to play. I think it makes sense on PC more than console.
On the other hand I love VRR and I'm fine with games unlocking the framerate and floating around 60. You really don't notice the fluctuations and it transformed games like Cyberpunk and Resident Evil for me.
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Post by richardiox on Sept 23, 2022 10:12:44 GMT
I'm the same, was so eager to experience 120fps but I was underwhelmed and it didn't feel worth it in terms of trade offs and nothing like the 30>60fps gulf.
I'm a CX owner too and am still loving the new generation consoles paired with this TV. I'm still impressed every single time I play something. With VRR pretty much everything has a razor sharp image and locked 60fps.
Firing anything up at 30fps is ridiculously jarring now. Decent HDR is a game changer too and I really notice when games don't support it.
My CX has also got me back into buying films as again, 4k HDR UHDs absolutely reinvigorate a lot of classic movies.
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Post by Fake_Blood on Sept 23, 2022 10:20:14 GMT
I love seeing all the detail and film grain in old movies.
Recently erm acquired Meaning of Life, it might be simultaneously the best and worst Python film.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 23, 2022 11:24:55 GMT
Won't anyone answer my obviously very important post?  |
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Sept 23, 2022 11:48:12 GMT
It's a decent TV at the budget end of the range. No VRR etc if you were wanting gaming features.
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 23, 2022 13:30:14 GMT
It's a decent TV at the budget end of the range. No VRR etc if you were wanting gaming features. OK thanks, well I will definitely plug some consoles into it and I expect I will get a PS5 or new Xbox at some point in the next few years so is this a vital feature to have? I guess it's all subjective isn't it, I spent £650 5 years ago so will this TV look no worse than that one? Looks like I'd have to step up to around £900 if I wanted that feature and to stay with JL.
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Post by Derblington on Sept 23, 2022 13:35:59 GMT
Until you have those consoles it's not important but it's definitely a good thing to have when you do.
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Sept 23, 2022 13:41:02 GMT
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 23, 2022 14:20:42 GMT
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Post by Blackmarsh63 on Sept 23, 2022 14:37:46 GMT
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Post by gamingdave on Sept 23, 2022 14:53:29 GMT
Can't comment on those particular sets, but for reviews I trust avforums and rtings. The later has more US set's so not all the European models, but has very good breakdowns for gaming specs and also reviews more mid-tier sets. Generally speaking, last years higher-end sets discounted are better than this years mids, so I would often look to those. If you are spending similar money as your last set, but replacing after 5 years, I would hope anything you get would be a step up in some regards but maybe not all (it might have a higher res but handle motion less well, or be brighter and have more features but not have as good speakers). Unless you go to the top of the range there will always be trade-offs, and even at the top end some sets will do better at some things than others. I do think VRR is a big plus for the PS5/Series X, but like you say it's a bit of a jump up in cash. But then those sets will probably also have better contrast and handle HDR better. Slippy slope though as once in that range you might as well look at last years top QLEDs or the LG OLEDs |
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Sept 23, 2022 14:55:55 GMT
Blackmarsh63 OK thanks, food for thought, I could possibly go to that, I guess it depends what they'll offer me in terms of a replacement or a refund or maybe only a part refund .... /knowing me I'll probably just cave on the phone and say fuck it when the time comes!
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Post by technoish on Sept 23, 2022 21:53:52 GMT
Playing Xbox on my 28inch 1440p gsync monitor at 120fps is extremely comfortable compared to the very nice big telly but which doesn't do 120fps.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2022 22:08:02 GMT
My laptop has a 165hz screen but I can't tell the difference. I agree that the 30 -> 60 jump is much more noticeable than the 60 -> 120 jump.
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 25, 2022 17:40:02 GMT
Any sites that give you the best settings to use?
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Post by Frog on Sept 25, 2022 19:09:31 GMT
Rtings
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Post by uiruki on Sept 26, 2022 7:43:00 GMT
Rtings is very good, especially for what settings properly defeat sharpening and other processing stuff. Sharpness in particular is an inconsistent one in terms of what turns it off or whether there’s a setting which actually softens the image.
One thing worth keeping in mind is that calibration settings for colour aren’t going to be 100% accurate due to natural manufacturing differences and your room lighting but it’ll get you a good way there, certainly enough that you likely won’t want to faff about with manual calibration.
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