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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 10:17:02 GMT
It's ok to admit your player completely got away with one last night monkman. He did! He said he was lucky! And stupid! Edit: Ah, I see that's been covered.
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Post by cristar on Feb 29, 2024 10:28:40 GMT
Plenty of reason for our own fans to complain about Bruno. I don't usually really mind his bullshit whinging and overall poor sportsmanship, but he's been pretty shit all season and should just focus on his game.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 11:15:23 GMT
Shit like the rest of the team yea.
When we play well, he will play well. The foundations and lack of control are the problem, not the guy who is there to play a risky ball when in advanced positions.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 11:16:43 GMT
That's too hand wavey though. I would completely understand were VAR not in play. With VAR having been there and reviewed it, it's ridiculous. Edit; also we could do without our own fans moaning about our best player. Leave that to rival fans. (though his aimless overhead hoof last night was a complete WTF but that's for footballing reasons!) You know the guy that set up the goal, created our only meaningful attacks and also set up the goal on Saturday. Big Bruno fan, but the amount of time he spent on the ground yesterday while they attacked was ridiculous which is what was frustrating. He's not in great form at the minute but has no real viable competition for his spot and no rotation options so gets run into the ground. With regards to the red, yes it should have been a red but it didn't affect the game so why care? Because he shouldn't get away with it, simple as that really |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 11:24:23 GMT
Shit like the rest of the team yea. When we play well, he will play well. The foundations and lack of control are the problem, not the guy who is there to play a risky ball when in advanced positions. His risky play is a big reason for lack of control too. There's times when it's unnecessary and puts us in trouble and not in advanced positions. And when he's not in form and looking tired like he is now he can be a bit of a liability. Again, not his fault because he should get rested and rotated out or even dropped when he's not in form or needs a break. He just plays every game and usually the full 90mins too. But my issues with him yesterday were more down to his off the ball behaviour, with staying down "injured" for fucking ages while the game goes on around him. |
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Post by cristar on Feb 29, 2024 11:28:44 GMT
I am not listening to any of the talk about how it was a brilliant smart set peice from Bruno last night either. It was his standard rubbish hitting the first defender setpiece, defended woefully.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 29, 2024 11:35:17 GMT
There needs to be conversation if he's part of a clear out as well, the answer can be no but no one should be safe by default.
Especially if we can get decent money for him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 11:37:31 GMT
I'd keep him as he can be a creative force when on it. He just shouldn't be a guaranteed starter playing every game all game no matter what. Nobody should and should be earned through performances.
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 29, 2024 11:38:36 GMT
The other thing about Bruno and it cannot be stressed enough, he's the only one that is consistently available and not injured
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 12:00:45 GMT
Shit like the rest of the team yea. When we play well, he will play well. The foundations and lack of control are the problem, not the guy who is there to play a risky ball when in advanced positions. His risky play is a big reason for lack of control too. There's times when it's unnecessary and puts us in trouble and not in advanced positions. And when he's not in form and looking tired like he is now he can be a bit of a liability. Again, not his fault because he should get rested and rotated out or even dropped when he's not in form or needs a break. He just plays every game and usually the full 90mins too. But my issues with him yesterday were more down to his off the ball behaviour, with staying down "injured" for fucking ages while the game goes on around him. He was getting kicked constantly last night to be fair. Shearer and comms decided to just ignore it (because, I presume, he's a bit annoying) but Yates in particular was leaving one on him all game. There was another example of someone obviously taking Antony out in the first half where the free kick was awarded but Shearer said, "the less I say about that the better". I mean his legs were literally taken from under him as the Forrest player just barged through. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 12:05:43 GMT
There needs to be conversation if he's part of a clear out as well, the answer can be no but no one should be safe by default. Especially if we can get decent money for him. I find this take incredible. If we have a functioning team in a year and you feel the same, maybe he's part of that discussion. If, however, we have a functioning team, I guarantee you he is top of the league for chance creation and one of the top scoring midfielders. There's not a shred of doubt in my mind about that. He's a whipping boy for other teams due to his whininess and our own fans have for some reason let it rub off on them. I do not get it. Lol, I actually just checked chance creation stats, looking for last years stats and it turns out, actually he is also topping the league in that regard this season. Edit; to be clear I get people being annoyed at his moaning from time to time but questioning his importance to the team is bizarre imo. |
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Post by Frog on Feb 29, 2024 12:52:53 GMT
He does cause us to get outnumbered at the back a lot when he refuses to get up as he is rolling around. Makes a massive gap in the midfield.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 29, 2024 12:56:25 GMT
There needs to be conversation if he's part of a clear out as well, the answer can be no but no one should be safe by default. Especially if we can get decent money for him. I find this take incredible. If we have a functioning team in a year and you feel the same, maybe he's part of that discussion. If, however, we have a functioning team, I guarantee you he is top of the league for chance creation and one of the top scoring midfielders. There's not a shred of doubt in my mind about that. He's a whipping boy for other teams due to his whininess and our own fans have for some reason let it rub off on them. I do not get it. Lol, I actually just checked chance creation stats, looking for last years stats and it turns out, actually he is also topping the league in that regard this season. Edit; to be clear I get people being annoyed at his moaning from time to time but questioning his importance to the team is bizarre imo. I'm not questioning his importance to this team, I'm questioning if we will win the league with him in a team. Especially in a team where he keeps losing the ball and we struggle to retrieve it. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 13:05:30 GMT
He loses the ball about the same amount as any top player in his position. The difference in other top teams is that thry have a good structure behind such players, recovering and recycling the ball.
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Post by simple on Feb 29, 2024 13:19:57 GMT
Losing possession is hardly a crime but in their own ways since Barca and Dortmund the onus from Pep and Klopp has been on getting it back as quickly as possible. Its hard to execute a 3 second press when you’re lying on the floor and the opposition have tried to break by playing the ball through the gap you’ve created by popping it over your prone body.
Which isn’t to say he isn’t a very good player when he’s on his feet with the ball. But then its seems a common theme at United that you’ve got plenty of guys who can do it when they’re in possession but who aren’t particular interested in whats happening when they aren’t.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 13:23:24 GMT
That I think is somewhat fair but again, your furthest forward midfielder should not be the last line before you're in front of a back 4.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 13:26:49 GMT
No but he's not even our first line a lot of the time he loses the ball.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
You put Martinez back in the team and the majority of instances where he loses the ball, we immediately recover it. We're higher up the pitch and Martinez recovers the second ball so often in those scenarios. There's no way in hell we should be as badly affected as we are by his (and Shaws) loss but we are and it definitley makes us look shambolic when a player loses the ball almost anywhere on the pitch. However, it's so blatantly obvious we can't cope without them just looking back at the games they were available for in the recent winning run versus those they weren't. There was still mad stuff happening in those games, granted, but the actual performance against Wolves and West Ham as well as the two FA cup games highlight how much better the overall structure and play is with them than without. Our own fans just seem to instantly forget and start saying (incorrectly  ) "400million" "it's his team" "Onana is shit" when last night of his signings he had Amrabat (loan option due to limited funds , terrible start to the game, really good second half), Case and Onana. Hardly what I'd call a rebuilt team? Edit: Lol forgot Antony who was solid, exactly meeting the expectations his 20million fee would command... |
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Post by cristar on Feb 29, 2024 13:55:57 GMT
That I think is somewhat fair but again, your furthest forward midfielder should not be the last line before you're in front of a back 4. Especially recently he hasn't been too far forward, we have been playing very deep (facing another 16+ shots last night) and Bruno is no use in those positions. I agree Bruno isn't the problem. He was unreal in his first season especially. But whatever tactic we are playing now is not working for him from the looks of it. |
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Post by cristar on Feb 29, 2024 13:58:58 GMT
Citing conceding 2 goals to a league two team as one of our good games shows where we are currently. lol
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 14:29:56 GMT
Quite.
I was more focused on the Wolves and West Ham games but I think the Newport one was overall a much better performance, it still however had that ridiculousness in it. Wolves in particular should have been a 5 or 6 niller.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 29, 2024 15:12:20 GMT
It's our ridiculous basketball style tactics that are fucking the team over in the long term and it needs to change or...ETH is gone.
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Post by mikew1985 on Mar 1, 2024 11:32:45 GMT
Only got around to these today. One pre VAR and apparently not spotted. It's also more of a collar than a neck grab. Would have been cautioned, possibly sent off if the ref had seen I would think but different to incident the other night. Hadn't seen the Jackson one. Though not in motion in that link it looks like that was a bad decision by the ref alright, should have gone. |
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Post by Resident Knievel on Mar 16, 2024 13:54:28 GMT
Coventry have battered Wolves, they'll be gutted if they lose this
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Post by Resident Knievel on Mar 16, 2024 14:01:41 GMT
Lol
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Mar 16, 2024 14:11:18 GMT
Nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2024 14:12:38 GMT
Amazing
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Mar 16, 2024 14:13:11 GMT
Oh wow!
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Post by Resident Knievel on Mar 16, 2024 14:13:32 GMT
Insanity
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 16, 2024 14:13:42 GMT
This has been a great FA Cup match!
Fucking hell what a rollercoaster.
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) "400million" "it's his team" "Onana is shit" when last night of his signings he had Amrabat (loan option due to limited funds , terrible start to the game, really good second half), Case and Onana.
