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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 28, 2024 23:21:08 GMT
Weird the Forest player didn't get a red at the end. Happy to go through but that was such a scrappy low quality game. Yeah he was lucky. Stupid. I've only finished watching. He wasn't "lucky" it's blatant and obvious ineptitude. That has been a straight red for 20 years at this point. I'd fucking love to hear PGMOLs weasel reasoning as to why that wasn't a red. Bizarre also that the commentary team in BBC saying nothing certainly within the first few minutes of the game finishing. |
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 29, 2024 6:51:29 GMT
Yeah he was lucky. Stupid. I've only finished watching. He wasn't "lucky" it's blatant and obvious ineptitude. That has been a straight red for 20 years at this point. I'd fucking love to hear PGMOLs weasel reasoning as to why that wasn't a red. Bizarre also that the commentary team in BBC saying nothing certainly within the first few minutes of the game finishing. You can absolutely guarantee if those players were reversed the media and football fans from every other team would be screaming to the hills about it. Also Casemiro would have got a red for just being on the pitch at the same time. |
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Post by monkman5000 on Feb 29, 2024 7:33:41 GMT
Ah yes, United the eternal victims. Fucking hell!  |
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Post by Frog on Feb 29, 2024 7:39:22 GMT
Wasn't like you didn't spend ages moaning that you should have had a penalty earlier in the season was it.
Football fans are many cunts it doesn't matter who they support!
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Post by monkman5000 on Feb 29, 2024 7:40:45 GMT
That had a material effect on the result. And was like 7 months ago, Jesus!
It's the idea that the media treats United harshly that I find most hilarious, as a supporter of a smaller club. There were long stretches of the BBC's coverage last night where they appeared to forget there was another team on the pitch. Pretty sure Shearer referred to United as "we" at one point.
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Post by kal on Feb 29, 2024 7:46:12 GMT
Wasn't like you didn't spend ages moaning that you should have had a penalty earlier in the season was it. Football fans are many cunts it doesn't matter who they support! True, but there is a bit of a difference when lower league teams moan about things like ref bias (or media favouritism), and when Man U fans do it. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 7:49:37 GMT
Yeah he was lucky. Stupid. I've only finished watching. He wasn't "lucky" it's blatant and obvious ineptitude. That has been a straight red for 20 years at this point. I'd fucking love to hear PGMOLs weasel reasoning as to why that wasn't a red. Bizarre also that the commentary team in BBC saying nothing certainly within the first few minutes of the game finishing. Course he was lucky. Lucky the ref was shit. There's plenty of examples of this across all clubs. And as monkman says, it had no impact on the game. The only thing it would affect is the Forest player getting a ban. |
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Post by Frog on Feb 29, 2024 7:56:54 GMT
Fwiw I don't think there was any ref bias going on it was just a bad decision.
I was just happy I only fell asleep for about 20 minutes of the first half considering what a classic it was.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 8:09:39 GMT
I've only finished watching. He wasn't "lucky" it's blatant and obvious ineptitude. That has been a straight red for 20 years at this point. I'd fucking love to hear PGMOLs weasel reasoning as to why that wasn't a red. Bizarre also that the commentary team in BBC saying nothing certainly within the first few minutes of the game finishing. Course he was lucky. Lucky the ref was shit. There's plenty of examples of this across all clubs. And as monkman says, it had no impact on the game. The only thing it would affect is the Forest player getting a ban. Yea and he should have got a ban. Just because it doesn't have an impact on the game in which it happens he should get away with it? I know you don't think that. It is ridiculous that they reviewed that and then decided to take no action. Every other player that's done something like that which was spotted in the last 20 odd years has been sent off. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 8:12:00 GMT
Fwiw I don't think there was any ref bias going on it was just a bad decision. I was just happy I only fell asleep for about 20 minutes of the first half considering what a classic it was. Yes complete ineptitude. It appears that they took the view that " United are winning, there's a minute left, let's let him away". That is such a poor basis for making a decision. |
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Post by Gruf on Feb 29, 2024 8:19:03 GMT
Fell asleep myself to that ManYoo game, my god it was awful. BBC gets a live game and its that shite Some real bad eggs in that Utd team, the captain certainly sets the tone. Hope they enjoy their day off. Pro players, train till 2pm and its off down the tattoo shop to spend their millions, hard life. |
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Post by Tuffty on Feb 29, 2024 8:20:34 GMT
Believe at the time the consensus around Casemiro's was no player should ever put his hands around another's face or neck. So if we're judging that as a red, then any other instance should also be a red, in order to curtail it. But last night's wasn't because....it was in added time? We were winning? Who can say? We all moan about inconsistencies when it comes to enforcing the rules, why are people surprised Utd fans are adding this to the list of examples where refs should be doing better?
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Post by monkman5000 on Feb 29, 2024 8:25:14 GMT
Hopefully he'll get a retrospective ban, then we can all sleep easy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 8:32:51 GMT
He didnt get sent off, yes poor decision and that's it really. Poor decisions happen every game.
I particularly wanted to strangle Bruno myself after yesterdays game.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 9:20:21 GMT
I'm not that arsed to bother googling, but i can guarantee there are loads of examples of a player grabbing another around the neck and not being sent off. Same with the old head to head contact. Some go, some don't. And it's annoying when it goes against you (although I guess you could argue those sent off could argue they are being had done by). It's much the same as all the other laws. They are subjective and down to the refs to judge the severity, intent, force etc.
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 9:27:22 GMT
He didnt get sent off, yes poor decision and that's it really. Poor decisions happen every game. I particularly wanted to strangle Bruno myself after yesterdays game. That's too hand wavey though. I would completely understand were VAR not in play. With VAR having been there and reviewed it, it's ridiculous. Edit; also we could do without our own fans moaning about our best player. Leave that to rival fans. (though his aimless overhead hoof last night was a complete WTF but that's for footballing reasons!) You know the guy that set up the goal, created our only meaningful attacks and also set up the goal on Saturday. |
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 9:28:31 GMT
I'm not that arsed to bother googling, but i can guarantee there are loads of examples of a player grabbing another around the neck and not being sent off. Same with the old head to head contact. Some go, some don't. And it's annoying when it goes against you (although I guess you could argue those sent off could argue they are being had done by). It's much the same as all the other laws. They are subjective and down to the refs to judge the severity, intent, force etc. I can't think of many examples of either being let go. Head to head where there is no obvious forward force in the "headbutt" are sometimes let go, never a slap or throat grab or where someone makes an obvious impact with head to head contact. |
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Post by simple on Feb 29, 2024 9:29:11 GMT
I'm not that arsed to bother googling, but i can guarantee there are loads of examples of a player grabbing another around the neck and not being sent off. Same with the old head to head contact. Some go, some don't. And it's annoying when it goes against you (although I guess you could argue those sent off could argue they are being had done by). It's much the same as all the other laws. They are subjective and down to the refs to judge the severity, intent, force etc. Its one of those ones where even though it could go either way a player is absolutely daft for risking it. |
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 29, 2024 9:31:18 GMT
Believe at the time the consensus around Casemiro's was no player should ever put his hands around another's face or neck. So if we're judging that as a red, then any other instance should also be a red, in order to curtail it. But last night's wasn't because....it was in added time? We were winning? Who can say? We all moan about inconsistencies when it comes to enforcing the rules, why are people surprised Utd fans are adding this to the list of examples where refs should be doing better? Exactly this, every non Man United fan piled on Casemiro when he did it stating it was a definite red. Now when its against a United player its subjective. The way narrative changes in the media when its about a united player is a joke. Casemiro is now at the point where if he tries to tackle anybody he has a 75% chance of getting a card, yet people can plough through him for fun. Also it's been proven that United have been getting the shitty end of decisions for the past few seasons multiple times especially in comparison to the likes of City and Klopps media darlings... |
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Post by clemfandango on Feb 29, 2024 9:32:52 GMT
The amount of time the ref and VAR spent trying to disallow Casemiros goal was a joke too.
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 9:49:06 GMT
We used to call that the "If That Was Granit Xhaka" index. Tuffty |
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Post by monkman5000 on Feb 29, 2024 9:51:00 GMT
The amount of time the ref and VAR spent trying to disallow Casemiros goal was a joke too. And yet it stood (correctly in my view, fwiw), while the extremely similar one for Van Dijk and that other poor, put-upon club from the North West didn't stand on Sunday. |
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Post by Dougs on Feb 29, 2024 10:00:38 GMT
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Post by mikew1985 on Feb 29, 2024 10:01:32 GMT
It's ok to admit your player completely got away with one last night monkman.
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Post by geefe on Feb 29, 2024 10:03:20 GMT
Ha. Chelsea away in the next round. We'll either win 1-0 or get hammered. No idea which.
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Post by mcmonkeyplc on Feb 29, 2024 10:03:28 GMT
Wasn't like you didn't spend ages moaning that you should have had a penalty earlier in the season was it. Football fans are many cunts it doesn't matter who they support! True, but there is a bit of a difference when lower league teams moan about things like ref bias (or media favouritism), and when Man U fans do it. And when Spurs fans do it...don't act like you guys are innocent of this. |
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Post by kal on Feb 29, 2024 10:04:17 GMT
It must be very hard not to grab Bruno by the throat to be fair.
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Post by geefe on Feb 29, 2024 10:05:48 GMT
Reminds me of LvG's "sex masochism" line after ranting about grabbing Fellaini's hair.
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Post by monkman5000 on Feb 29, 2024 10:11:44 GMT
It's ok to admit your player completely got away with one last night monkman. I have done already. It's also OK for you guys to stop crying about some ludicrous conspiracy against your club which has been the media's darling for decades. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 10:12:40 GMT
He didnt get sent off, yes poor decision and that's it really. Poor decisions happen every game. I particularly wanted to strangle Bruno myself after yesterdays game. That's too hand wavey though. I would completely understand were VAR not in play. With VAR having been there and reviewed it, it's ridiculous. Edit; also we could do without our own fans moaning about our best player. Leave that to rival fans. (though his aimless overhead hoof last night was a complete WTF but that's for footballing reasons!) You know the guy that set up the goal, created our only meaningful attacks and also set up the goal on Saturday. Big Bruno fan, but the amount of time he spent on the ground yesterday while they attacked was ridiculous which is what was frustrating. He's not in great form at the minute but has no real viable competition for his spot and no rotation options so gets run into the ground. With regards to the red, yes it should have been a red but it didn't affect the game so why care? |
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