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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 15:30:52 GMT
I don't know if I have any opinions, popular or otherwise. I suppose the only opinion I have that could be deemed as either is that I don't give a rancid fuck about anyone else's opinion.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2021 15:31:11 GMT
Possibly unpopular opinion: a lot of time the "this has aged badly" comment can often actually mean "this emulation is poor" or "this port has way too much input lag" or "my 240p retro console that I have plugged directly into an LCD looks terrible". But people just don't have the knowledge, and outside of hobbyists who can blame them. Perhaps not us enlightened folk, but Joe Public is currently be basing his opinion of the PS1 on the PlayStation Classic, and his opinion of the N64 on the Switch online stuff. I'm currently playing FFVI for example and to this day the best way to play it by far is the original copy on a SNES. Everything released since is severely compromised in some way. Even amongst people using original hardware, the number of them upscaling it properly (and in this part of the world, seeking out 60hz) must be vanishingly small. I can easily imagine this stuff tarnishing people's memories. It seems that (PC) emulation is the convenient answer but again you've got no chance talking Joe Random into that, and see above regarding off-the-shelf emulation. Old 3d games are shite no matter how well emulated they are I will, however, grant that some old sprite graphics look better on old hardware - this Twitter account demonstrates that well twitter.com/CRTpixelsI will go one further than this and say that I dont know why people bother emulating 99% of old games and I am glad the fad of sticking emulators on *everything* has died out. 'Oh, I just got my new console' 'Cool. Can you put mame on it yet?' 'I dont know. Just I just play the games that are out for it like a normal person' |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 22, 2021 15:31:29 GMT
Cricket has got to be one of the most boring sports I've ever been forced to watch. Don't get me started on Test cricket. Dead to me. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2021 15:32:00 GMT
Somewhere retroid has just burst into flames
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 22, 2021 15:34:33 GMT
I do think, if you were to give a kid the original Tomb Raider nowadays, they would find it largely unplayable. And they wouldnβt be wrong. And yet if you gave them Super Mario World I reckon theyβd say it largely holds up. If you gave then Super Mario 64, which came out at the same time as the original Tomb Raider. This is an unfair comparison though, because Mario games are largely exempt from the "old games are bad" rule, and Tomb Raider was always clunky and awkward to play even at the time, and reviews reflected that. What people liked about the original Tomb Raider games were the globe trotting, ruin exploring Indiana Jones theme, and frankly, Lara. I think Japanese games have aged better than western ones because they were focused more on gameplay while western games were more about spectacle and gwafics |
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Post by grey_matters on Nov 22, 2021 15:39:24 GMT
Roast Turkey is one of the best roast meats.
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Post by robthehermit on Nov 22, 2021 15:41:41 GMT
I'm with Jambo on that, cricket is a bit shit. 20/20 cricket seemed almost exciting by comparison and I didn't mind watching that occasionally. Of course once I'd forgotton how dull proper cricket was and 20/20 just became cricket it lost what little shine it had so I stopped watching.
Give me a nice game of snooker any day of the week, although even thats a bit shit these days. Once the class of 92 hang up their cues I'll probably stop watching that as well.
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Post by Psiloc on Nov 22, 2021 15:41:51 GMT
Old 3d games are shite no matter how well emulated they are See I find this to be an over generalisation even though I also know exactly what you mean. Plenty of the earliest 3D games still hold up gameplay wise. I think early 3D problems are so well understood by modern standards that it's easily picked up on, but the majority of good games weren't affected nearly as much as people suggest/remember. Most aren't even in a category where that stuff applies, like Gran Turismo, Crash Bandicoot, RE, FF, MGS, THPS, Tekken, Ridge Racer... this is basically the top 10 of the PS1. Looks aside, are these honestly automatically shite games now? I think bad early 3D games are just distinctly bad, in a way that everybody remembers and can point too. But there were good games too otherwise nobody would have bought in to it, consumers rarely accept gaming tech for long if it's less fun, even if it is new and shiny. Can you imagine if Sony's offering - as a newcomer no less - was "shite games but at least they're in 3D"? Post definitely belongs in this thread btw. I know not many people defend old 3D... |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 22, 2021 15:45:49 GMT
I'm with Jambo on that, cricket is a bit shit. 20/20 cricket seemed almost exciting by comparison and I didn't mind watching that occasionally. Of course once I'd forgotton how dull proper cricket was and 20/20 just became cricket it lost what little shine it had so I stopped watching. Give me a nice game of snooker any day of the week, although even thats a bit shit these days. Once the class of 92 hang up their cues I'll probably stop watching that as well. Few sports can match the last few hours of a close Test match for tension. It's so good how games ebb and flow, full of mini-stories and battles. Snooker is probably one of them actually. |
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Post by π on Nov 22, 2021 15:46:27 GMT
I had more fun with the recent Quake re-release than most modern FPS games.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 15:46:53 GMT
People that watch snooker are even more boring than watching snooker.
Same for Formula 1.
The rocky franchise is shit.
Wes Anderson is shit and people convince themselves they like it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 15:48:55 GMT
Old 3d games are shite no matter how well emulated they are See I find this to be an over generalisation even though I also know exactly what you mean. Plenty of the earliest 3D games still hold up gameplay wise. I think early 3D problems are so well understood by modern standards that it's easily picked up on, but the majority of good games weren't affected nearly as much as people suggest/remember. Most aren't even in a category where that stuff applies, like Gran Turismo, Crash Bandicoot, RE, FF, MGS, THPS, Tekken, Ridge Racer... this is basically the top 10 of the PS1. Looks aside, are these honestly automatically shite games now? I think bad early 3D games are just distinctly bad, in a way that everybody remembers and can point too. But there were good games too otherwise nobody would have bought in to it, consumers rarely accept gaming tech for long if it's less fun, even if it is new and shiny. Can you imagine if Sony's offering - as a newcomer no less - was "shite games but at least they're in 3D"? Post definitely belongs in this thread btw. I know not many people defend old 3D... ππ½ 32-bit era is my favourite generation to this day. I knew when the Super Mario World vs Tomb Raider comparison was happening, that it was essentially 2D vs 3D, 16-bit vs 32-bit. And those are both, inaccurate and unfair. As you mentioned, there were plenty of gems in that era, but if you really wanted to make the 2D vs 3D comparison, you can't choose the final 2D era and compare it to the first 3D era. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 22, 2021 15:49:10 GMT
Cricket has got to be one of the most boring sports I've ever been forced to watch. Don't get me started on Test cricket. Dead to me. In my defence, having an Asian father meant cricket was persistently on TV and he'd watch any fucking country play. When we got Sky it was even worse, the cunt wouldn't even let me watch one episode of Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles because he wanted to see the West Indies smash England. Obviously you can see why we don't have a relationship anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 15:50:12 GMT
Who would get in the way of a young lad's turtles?
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Post by hedben on Nov 22, 2021 15:50:25 GMT
See I find this to be an over generalisation even though I also know exactly what you mean. Plenty of the earliest 3D games still hold up gameplay wise But this is it though, we've come full circle. They're only good and "still hold up" if you played them the first time. Taken on their own merits, by people who've never seen them before, they pale in comparison to modern games. |
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Post by cubby on Nov 22, 2021 15:51:11 GMT
Snooker is the best sport. Judging by viewing figures that's a pretty unpopular opinion, dammit.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 22, 2021 15:53:54 GMT
See I find this to be an over generalisation even though I also know exactly what you mean. Plenty of the earliest 3D games still hold up gameplay wise But this is it though, we've come full circle. They're only good and "still hold up" if you played them the first time. Taken on their own merits, by people who've never seen them before, they pale in comparison to modern games. Exactly most if not all 3d fighting games from the PS1 era are fucking awful bar VF2 and Tekken 3. |
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Post by π on Nov 22, 2021 15:56:29 GMT
Aren't you undermining your own argument there by excluding the titles that do, in fact, hold up?
I get the argument in general that early 3D hasn't aged gracefully, especially pre-analog controls, but that's a world away from "all old 3d games are bad".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 15:58:00 GMT
These unpopular opinion threads are normally started by someone trying to show everyone how unique and interesting they are but always descend into people being cunts.
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Post by cubby on Nov 22, 2021 16:01:01 GMT
Steady on Decks!
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 22, 2021 16:02:50 GMT
Aren't you undermining your own argument there by excluding the titles that do, in fact, hold up? I get the argument in general that early 3D hasn't aged gracefully, especially pre-analog controls, but that's a world away from "all old 3d games are bad". Nah, nah, those games are scientifically proven to be ahead of their time. Men have done studies. Top Men. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 22, 2021 16:03:43 GMT
Which men?
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 22, 2021 16:04:08 GMT
Top. Men.
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 22, 2021 16:06:20 GMT
Aren't you undermining your own argument there by excluding the titles that do, in fact, hold up? I get the argument in general that early 3D hasn't aged gracefully, especially pre-analog controls, but that's a world away from "all old 3d games are bad". This. There are loads of modern games that are crap and completely forgettable
I'm not personally a fan of it, but Warcraft III was pretty early on in terms of 3D but stands up extremely well and I'm sure most people could still play and enjoy it
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Post by γΉγ³γγγ©γ³γ on Nov 22, 2021 16:07:45 GMT
I'm with Jambo on that, cricket is a bit shit. 20/20 cricket seemed almost exciting by comparison and I didn't mind watching that occasionally. Of course once I'd forgotton how dull proper cricket was and 20/20 just became cricket it lost what little shine it had so I stopped watching. Give me a nice game of snooker any day of the week, although even thats a bit shit these days. Once the class of 92 hang up their cues I'll probably stop watching that as well. IMO to get cricket you have to have grown up with it culturally, have memories with family, friends, have played it as a kid etc. as objectively it's slow and boring and people rarely get into it as adults. I went to a 20/20 match years ago, thinking "all sports are better live, might be a positive experience. It wasn't, it was shit. The oft repeated "You can have a beer in the sun with your mates" selling point struggles to convince when you've stood waiting for ages queuing for a shit beer when you could be in a nice pub garden instead. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 22, 2021 16:08:35 GMT
I think Jambo's opinion on cricket is fair as he didn't get to watch his Turtles
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 22, 2021 16:09:23 GMT
Thank you.
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Post by π on Nov 22, 2021 16:13:56 GMT
Cricket is great, baseball is great, NFL is great, basketball is great, football is shit.
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Post by imamazed on Nov 22, 2021 16:14:43 GMT
Cricket has got to be one of the most boring sports I've ever been forced to watch. Don't get me started on Test cricket. Heh. I mean you're wrong, but I can totally understand that point of view. I remember volunteering in Vietnam - shared a house with a yank. He walked in as I was watching a test match. And was just totally baffled. "They're leaving the field. Is it over?" "No, no this is the first day of a possible five. This is just the tea break." "Days?! They break for tea?!" "Yes....yes they do." |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Nov 22, 2021 16:15:56 GMT
What about ice hockey? I've always thought if I was going to watch a sport it might be that
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