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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 27, 2021 2:42:14 GMT
Talking of Pulp, Shatner's cover of Common People is unironically far better than the original. I wouldn't say it's "far better", but I really like how Shatner expresses the contempt in the lyrics. It's more effective than the way Jarvis did it. |
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Post by Lizard on Nov 27, 2021 3:20:50 GMT
Approximately 90% of the time cakes are claggy shit.
Ice lollies are infinitely better than ice cream. And choc ices are completely rubbish.
Roti is better than naan.
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Post by hedben on Nov 27, 2021 7:59:37 GMT
Ice lollies are infinitely better than ice cream Of all the wrong opinions in this thread, this is the wrongest. Ice creams are a yummy dessert or anytime snack; ice lollies are just a drink that takes an annoyingly long time to drink, and is far too sweet anyway. |
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Post by Lizard on Nov 27, 2021 8:38:51 GMT
Most ice lollies are too sweet, but the god ones are excellent refreshment on a hot day. Ice cream is just a bit bleh.
Mr Whippy is especially horrible.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Nov 27, 2021 9:01:34 GMT
I can't wait to see this forum on the news when one of you psychopaths finally cracks and goes on a murdering spree. They'll point to this exact thread as the flashpoint.
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Post by Nanocrystal on Nov 27, 2021 9:02:11 GMT
I blame Mola. Whole thing was his idea.
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 27, 2021 10:21:41 GMT
Talking of Pulp, Shatner's cover of Common People is unironically far better than the original. I doubt this more than most things I've ever heard, for which very reason I'm going to have to find out for myself.
ETA If you think a William Shatner-themed AI reading the lyrics to Common People without any regard to the expression or rythmn of the original song, covered half way through by a bargain basement Smash Mouth impersonater singing with a bit more verve but no more subtlety is better than the original then I suppose you could claim to be correct. Otherwise, it's a bit shit. And I'm not a huge fan of Pulp anyway.
You are fundemantally wrong. What makes shatner better is that cocker is an abysmal performer. The lyrics are quite charged and angry but Cocker's performance is just his usual disinterested camp moaning. He signs as if the lyrics are an inconvenience. *Anybody* covering this song would have been better than the original. It just happens that Shatner's is the only one that matters. |
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 27, 2021 10:24:40 GMT
Talking of Pulp, Shatner's cover of Common People is unironically far better than the original. I wouldn't say it's "far better", but I really like how Shatner expresses the contempt in the lyrics. It's more effective than the way Jarvis did it. Exactly. The lyrics are about someone the signer absolutely despises on a deep level. Shatner sounds like he's snarling while reciting it. Cocker sounds like he's deliberating over which blouse he prefers. |
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Post by Nanocrystal on Nov 27, 2021 10:35:26 GMT
Come on. Only ironic hipsters could argue the Shatner version is better than the original. Be for real, dawg.
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 27, 2021 10:35:50 GMT
...and on a similar but different theme: Elvis Costello's cover of Elastica's "What do I do now?" kicks the original's arse to a bloody mess.
The song is about falling to bits emotially and struggling to cope with the end of a relationship. Elasica wrapped that up in a head bopping vapid jangly guitar brtipop ditty. Costello's performance has genuine pathos and emotional weight to it.
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 27, 2021 10:36:40 GMT
Come on. Only ironic hipsters could argue the Shatner version is better than the original. Be for real, dawg. I'm totally serious. Jarvis is a great lyricist and writer but a terrible, terrible singer. |
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Post by Nanocrystal on Nov 27, 2021 10:37:39 GMT
Next you'll be claiming All Saints did the better version of Under The Bridge.
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 27, 2021 10:38:33 GMT
Now don't be daft.
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Post by dogbot on Nov 27, 2021 10:39:23 GMT
I don't particularly care about the Pulp version, but Shatner's is a clown show which has all the gravity of Paul Whitehouse doing Arthur Atkinson.
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Post by Chopsen on Nov 27, 2021 10:44:03 GMT
You can have pathos in comedic performances, though can't you?
You can be silly but still deliver a punch.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Nov 27, 2021 10:54:33 GMT
Not sure about Shatner's version of Common People but his version of Rocketman is sublime.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Nov 27, 2021 10:56:34 GMT
I'm confident I could beat Bruce Lee in a fight.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Nov 27, 2021 11:03:57 GMT
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Post by sport✅ on Nov 27, 2021 11:05:35 GMT
I'm confident I could beat Bruce Lee in a fight.  |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 27, 2021 11:05:41 GMT
You can have pathos in comedic performances, though can't you? You can be silly but still deliver a punch. Good comedy has pathos in spades. I am unconvinced by your argument (love Pulp and Jarvis, and have probably only listened to Shatner's version a few times), but will give it a proper listen. |
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Nov 27, 2021 11:10:29 GMT
This might be an unrepresentative sample. But quite a few of the Pulp songs I remember are about women who scorned the singer in some way. They're catchy, but man they sound bitter.
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Post by dogbot on Nov 27, 2021 11:12:24 GMT
You can have pathos in comedic performances, though can't you? You can be silly but still deliver a punch. Oh, absolutely. I just don't see it with Shatner. His style of comedy is rooted in a faint ridiculousness which offers nothing for me. It's bad enough on screen, but I can just about watch him. Musically, I'll pass, though. |
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Post by Goban on Nov 27, 2021 11:14:07 GMT
Shatners version is like a drama student trying to give the words meaning(he's the one who'd fail first year). Pulp/Jarvis, it sneaks up on you. You're nodding your head along to it, then it hits you that there's more to this than you first thought.
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Post by hedben on Nov 27, 2021 11:15:03 GMT
I'm confident I could beat Bruce Lee in a fight. I could also beat a nearly 50 year old corpse in a fight |
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Post by dogbot on Nov 27, 2021 11:17:48 GMT
Yeah, some of that is pretty damning and spot on. 😁 Fuck Loaded. |
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Post by LFace on Nov 27, 2021 11:22:46 GMT
Suede are great, too. You can keep most of the rest of Britpop though. Then again, I like Madchester. But I was there. Suede??  |
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Post by Dougs on Nov 27, 2021 11:30:19 GMT
Shatners version is like a drama student trying to give the words meaning(he's the one who'd fail first year). Pulp/Jarvis, it sneaks up on you. You're nodding your head along to it, then it hits you that there's more to this than you first thought. It gets increasingly angry which I love. It's proper frustration. |
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Post by dogbot on Nov 27, 2021 11:32:34 GMT
Suede are great, too. You can keep most of the rest of Britpop though. Then again, I like Madchester. But I was there. Suede?? Ironically, I "met" Mr Calf at Salford Precinct when he was filming in about 1991 or so. My mate wandered over to him (he was having a fag break, not actually filming) and said "that Paul Calf, what a bag o shite" and in fairness to Coogan, he laughed and did some banter in character. |
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Post by Zomoniac on Nov 27, 2021 13:14:16 GMT
The whole "Madchester" scene was fucking dire and full of boring bands. And somehow Britpop lowered the bar further. Also, Thom Yorke is a shit vocalist. And that spelling of "Tom" is annoying. The first paragraph is 100% accurate. The second should see you executed. |
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Post by Zomoniac on Nov 27, 2021 13:17:40 GMT
Approximately 90% of the time cakes are claggy shit. Ice lollies are infinitely better than ice cream. And choc ices are completely rubbish. Roti is better than naan. Paratha all the way for me. |
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