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Post by clemfandango on Jun 13, 2024 15:25:02 GMT
The last bit of Star Wars content I can remember enjoying was The Last Jedi. wow.... |
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 13, 2024 15:28:45 GMT
Best thing with the Star Wars name on it in the last ten years.
Certainly better than shite like Andor, Rogue One, Obi-Wan and numerous crappy games.
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Post by simple on Jun 13, 2024 15:42:00 GMT
Not a criticism specifically of this but one more in general, I hate flashbacks in programmes. They just make everything grind to a halt or try to rewrite things in a poor way. The worst ones are shows where you see the end then they flash back for nearly the entire programme to show the build up to that. I think Godfather 2 is the only thing that I've ever liked it in. Agreed. The Ms Marvel show ground to a halt with their flashback episode*, and there was another one around the same time that did the same thing.
*The actual Partition time period was interesting, or would have been if Dr Who hadn't just done the same thing, but it was a bunch of characters I didn't care about.
I'd heard that Ep3 was really good, which was why I asked how many episodes. But I guess that was the flashback episode?
I know there was an anniversary around the time but you don’t really expect the Partition of India to get the Antz/Bug’s Life treatment on a pair of kids shows. Still, my wife didn’t know a thing about Partition, like didn’t even know it had happened. So being obliged to sit through my arrested development wasn’t a total loss there. |
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Post by gamingdave on Jun 13, 2024 15:48:38 GMT
Best thing with the Star Wars name on it in the last ten years. Certainly better than shite like Andor, Rogue One, Obi-Wan and numerous crappy games. There is no galaxy in which TLJ is better than Andor and Rogue One. |
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 13, 2024 15:56:03 GMT
Different strokes and all that. I found both incredibly bland, boring and unmemorable.
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Post by Lizard on Jun 13, 2024 21:12:35 GMT
When they announced the live-action Star Wars TV show years ago, before Disney bought it, I was super keen. Now I can't even be bothered to execute the half-dozen button presses needed to start up one of these TV shows. Everything they've done from TFA onwards has been so uninspired and unappealing.
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Post by crashV👀d👀 on Jun 14, 2024 6:48:42 GMT
I don't care for any of the magical Jedi bollocks but I'm up for a solid space story so Rogue One and Andor were right up my street.
Based on the statement above, would this Acolyte thing any good or is it too much of the space sword majicians ?
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 14, 2024 8:43:12 GMT
100% no
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 14, 2024 10:02:32 GMT
Best thing with the Star Wars name on it in the last ten years. Certainly better than shite like Andor, Rogue One, Obi-Wan and numerous crappy games. There is no galaxy in which TLJ is better than Andor and Rogue One. This I tried to watch the TLJ a few months ago to see if I was unfairly harsh on it, I wasn't... The your mum joke in the first few minutes sets the tone for the utter shite that follows, its also incredibly boring. Both TLJ and ROS are equally shit in different ways |
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 14, 2024 10:19:15 GMT
Not everything landed in TLJ (the humour in particular as well as the Super-Leia moment) but I enjoyed the expanding of the Force mythology, Rey's parents being nobodies and Luke's arc in particular. Really wanted a double turn with Rey and Kylo but sadly it wasn't to be.
It was different, original, subversive, well-written and the most I've been interested in Star Wars since RTOJ. Give me that any day instead of ridiculous fan-service, pandering to fan theories and the same stories told over and over again (but in space).
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Post by technoish on Jun 14, 2024 10:37:22 GMT
I think I'm mostly into the space sci fi angle of Star Wars, hence why also TIE Fighter was one of my favourite games ever, and DF before the Jedi stuff started turning up.
The prequel Jedi mumbo jumbo was just too much, and it never ends up being clever or profound.
But still, I like the sequel series enough, but nothing as good as Andor or Rogue One.
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Post by rhaegyr on Jun 14, 2024 10:44:42 GMT
Yeah, I've realised over time a lot people want different things from Star Wars.
For example, a few in this thread have ridiculed the Jedi/Force angle and prefer the more science fiction aspects. For me, if the Jedi aren't the main focus I'm not bothered in the slightest, hence a big part of my dislike of Rogue One/Andor.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 14, 2024 11:23:51 GMT
I feel like we've done this 100 times already, but I think both TLJ and Rogue One are great. And pretty much everything else post RotJ has been meh.
(not seen Andor tho)
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Post by Lizard on Jun 14, 2024 23:51:19 GMT
The new trilogy was fundamentally flawed from the start. Abrams hasn't got an original. bone in his body, so instead of showing us something post-Empire he just recreated the dynamic of the original film with a few palette swaps.
Still doesnt excuse the flailing shitshow of the TLJ, or ROS' manic, idiotic attempt to tidy up the mess, though.
Having said that, the Luke and Rey bits in TLJ are the highlights of the three films.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 15, 2024 3:48:58 GMT
But TLJ actually did something different and interesting and moved things forward post-Empire.
Briefly reignited my love of star wars... But it was not to last...
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Post by Lizard on Jun 15, 2024 7:25:19 GMT
Not sure TLJ is different in any meaningful or cogent way, and it certainly isn't interesting. If anything its worst crime is that it's so fucking boring. ROS, for all it's stupidity, at least has some energy
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 15, 2024 9:48:07 GMT
Not sure TLJ is different in any meaningful or cogent way, and it certainly isn't interesting. If anything its worst crime is that it's so fucking boring. ROS, for all it's stupidity, at least has some energy 100% disagree. |
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jun 15, 2024 10:12:44 GMT
I think ROS might even be worse than PM and AOTC.
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Post by Lizard on Jun 15, 2024 10:14:50 GMT
In fairness TLJ may have been well served by a properly thought-out sequel that picked up the threads, rather than the wacky retcon-fest we got with ROS. But I'm not sure a properly thought-out sequel was ever on the cards.
The VFX when Snoke's big ship gets smashed are fucking awesome, as are those on the salt planet.
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Post by starchildhypocrethes on Jun 15, 2024 10:15:37 GMT
Wait there are two ROS now aren’t there?
Stupid acronyms.
Rise of Skywalker is just the worst in pretty much every way.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 15, 2024 10:29:53 GMT
I feel like we've done this 100 times already, but I think both TLJ and Rogue One are great. And pretty much everything else post RotJ has been meh.
(not seen Andor tho)
Definitely. TLJ is the one saving grace of the most recent trilogy (Awakens was mostly fine, I guess). Certainly with the films it is by far the best of the modern era, with Rogue One being not far behind. Both are a long way better than anything from the prequel trilogy. The Canto Bight section in TLJ is the only sour point, but everything else is great. As for the TV stuff, from what I've seen (not seen Mandalorian season 3, Ahsoka, Book of Boba Fett or any of The Acolyte) it is mostly hit or miss. Andor was great and I had a bit of soft spot for Obi Wan, even though I know most didn't like it. Mandalorian has had its moments. Rise of Skywalker competes with Attack of the Clones as being the worst Star Wars film. |
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Post by UltraPyper777 on Jun 15, 2024 10:49:55 GMT
I only like OT, Mandalorian, BoBF and Rogue One. After the prequels I realised Jedi/Sith are boring.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 15, 2024 12:16:00 GMT
Is liking the TLJ the new cool?
It’s objectively a shit movie.
TFA is the only one that is at least watchable, but its still bang average.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 15, 2024 14:03:19 GMT
I thought disliking TLJ was the new cool?
It's not really objectively anything, as its a movie and so its largely down to taste.
But if one were to claim it was objectively bad, the fact it's the highest rated star wars movie on metacritic (by critics) and the 4th highest rated one on Rotten Tomatoes (by critics) might undermine the view that it was universally considered bad.
People are free not to like it, of course. Though they'd be subjectively wrong.
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Post by Derblington on Jun 15, 2024 14:36:24 GMT
What are the new ideas it brought to the table?
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 16, 2024 5:38:22 GMT
Off the top of my (sleepy) head: - It went in a more KotOR2 style direction of greyish jedi and questioning the endless and increasingly dumb battle between the Jedi and the Sith. - It questioned the increasingly dumb idea of being a powerful jedi simply being due to who your parents are, and therefore everyone needing to be a skywalker. - It questioned the standard heroic tropes and assumptions and the fact that people runnign off and doing dumb heroic things heroically tends to always pay off because they're the heroes and they have plot armour. - It actually stepped back slightly to look at the impact of all this Empire/Rebellion/Jedi on the wider galaxy, both in terms of how much support (or not) the rebellion might have, and how the Empire etc.. might be supported and armed. - It made Poe look like an idiot  - It did all that while effectively mirroring or reversing the plot beats of ESB, but not in the predictable and boring way that TFA aped ANH. I mean, it basically did a KotOR2 and questioned all the assumptions people had. Except without most of the bugs. Like KotOR2, it didn't all land perfectly, but it was more interesting than just repeating the same old worn out tropes again and again. |
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Post by Nanocrystal on Jun 16, 2024 9:24:06 GMT
I remember watching TLJ in the cinema and part way through thinking "Oh, wow this is an actual movie in addition to being Star Wars". It actually surprised me, several times, while still feeling like SW.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Jun 16, 2024 9:39:47 GMT
The thread inspired me to rewatch them yesterday - well, the first two, as that was enough for one day, just in terms of stamina.
I thought The Force Awakens was much better than I remembered: tight, well-paced, a decent blend of old and new characters. Sure, it does suffer from some slavish fan service / replication of old stuff. I actually don't mind fan service that much. Also, it reminded me that Adam Driver is just really good in general.
The Last Jedi: honestly, there may be a good movie in there, and the final 45 minutes or so are pretty enjoyable, but it's way too long and frankly boring in places. That whole fucking casino section - it wasn't exciting and what it was doing narratively could have been achieved way more efficiently. I can't say I came away with a renewed appreciation of the movie I'm afraid.
I await my revisit of Rise of the Skywalker with fear and trembling given what you folk are saying.
At the end of the day, it's just Star Wars, a decent boy's own adventure that we invest too much in because we're chasing nostalgia. I guess I enjoy the universe more than the whole Skywalker Jedi Sith yada yada saga as count me in as one of those who thinks Rogue One and Andor are brilliant.
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Post by simple on Jun 16, 2024 11:25:19 GMT
Rise has a lot of stuff in it that looks really great and was probably amazing in concept art form but the twist is a bit unnecessary and makes it clear there was no bible or roadmap for the trilogy.
Its weird that compared to what Lucas did its all somehow both over-thought and under-developed. But like you say, these are vehicles for going pew-pew and the rest is on us.
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Post by Derblington on Jun 16, 2024 12:29:39 GMT
So all its new ideas were basically done elsewhere? Right.
The whole “it showed you didn’t need to be born to a powerful Jedi to be a Jedi’ was never actually a thing outside of the main case. I’d love to know where that originated. It’s only Luke and Leia in the OT, obviously, but it’s never suggested for Ben or Yoda. And then the PT made Anakin the son of a nobody and midichlorians, and showed loads of other Jedi that were never referenced to be born to it.
Then Rey comes along, and her whole thing is “who are my parents?!”, and the second movie says it doesn’t matter (only for the third to thoroughly backtrack) and everyone goes “oh, wow, anyone can be a Jedi”.
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