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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 30, 2021 15:21:03 GMT
On the other hand, you’d think she knows more or less as much as him which does pour water on him being suicided. Although "look what happens when you can't keep your mouth shut" also works. Maybe she'll magically fall off a boat and go missing like her dad. |
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Post by geefe on Dec 30, 2021 15:52:06 GMT
I did notice on the Queen's speech this year, which I watched with morbid fascination for the first time in forever, that they ran a little montage of all the lovely royals. Phillip, Charles, the other daughter, William and Harry and the princesses.
No Andrew, though.
Felt a bit pointed.
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Post by jono62 on Dec 30, 2021 15:54:34 GMT
She did call him a sweaty cunt which I didn't expect. Thought he didn't sweat.
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Post by TheSaint on Dec 30, 2021 18:19:25 GMT
What’s the deal with headlines/stories like this? The bbc seem to be having an absolute shocker covering this story:
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 30, 2021 18:31:15 GMT
At some point though, naming names of fellow abusers could get her a lighter sentence, now or later.
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Post by H-alphaFox on Dec 30, 2021 19:13:36 GMT
Yeah, probably not when that list likely contains former Presidents, Supreme Court judges and Stephen fucking Hawking.
Everything is as exactly as it seems but I doubt we will ever know the extent of it.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 15:44:48 GMT
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Post by dogbot on Dec 31, 2021 15:50:04 GMT
It's all very well suggesting that she might name names, but surely it's a question of whether she has access to the evidence that Epstein had? If she can't indisputably prove anything she might allege, it's all rather moot anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2021 15:55:28 GMT
I find it odd that in response to any communications about sexual abuse between him and Epstein, the lawyers have said it's "overbroad, burdensome and oppressive”.
If someone asked me for something like that, I'd just reply "there isn't anything". Saying "it'll be a real burden for me to get back to you on that unless you narrow down what exactly you mean by sexual abuse" would end up with me expecting to be in prison for some time. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.
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Post by dfunked on Dec 31, 2021 15:57:29 GMT
By that he just means it'll take some time for the royals to find a doctor who they can bribe to confirm this ailment.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 15:57:56 GMT
It's all very well suggesting that she might name names, but surely it's a question of whether she has access to the evidence that Epstein had? If she can't indisputably prove anything she might allege, it's all rather moot anyway. Call me cynical but it feels more like who does she know that can act as sacrificial lambs that isn't someone with a ridiculous amount of power and would never prosecute. |
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Post by dogbot on Dec 31, 2021 16:03:38 GMT
It's all very well suggesting that she might name names, but surely it's a question of whether she has access to the evidence that Epstein had? If she can't indisputably prove anything she might allege, it's all rather moot anyway. Call me cynical but it feels more like who does she know that can act as sacrificial lambs that isn't someone with a ridiculous amount of power and would never prosecute. Maybe, but is there any value to that? I can see why from a prosecutor's point of view, they might be interested but if it's only minor names, is there any value to her? It's unlikely to get her much consideration... and she'd still need to have access to the evidence. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 16:11:49 GMT
My tin foil hat is saying that it's all a show and dance for the public because she obviously fucking knows powerful people involved in this, I mean her dad was Robert Maxwell. There's no chance of anyone like former Presidents or CEOs of billion dollar corporations getting done here.
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Post by dogbot on Dec 31, 2021 16:18:21 GMT
My tin foil hat is saying that it's all a show and dance for the public because she obviously fucking knows powerful people involved in this, I mean her dad was Robert Maxwell. There's no chance of anyone like former Presidents or CEOs of billion dollar corporations getting done here. Oh, absolutely. I think that the chances of anyone else actually being prosecuted is a nice round number. But it's good imagining Andrew continuing to squirm, the entitled twat. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 31, 2021 16:21:36 GMT
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 31, 2021 17:00:22 GMT
I saw a clip of it on the news. Just keep quiet, m8, Christ.
‘She may have had a 30 year relationship with a known sex offender, had multiple people accuse her of grooming and sexual assault and have eventually been convicted of a series of sex offences but I don’t believe she did those things’.
Man, shut the hell up. At this point you’re lucky for people not to be calling for your whole bloodline to be erased.
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 17:09:35 GMT
At some point though, naming names of fellow abusers could get her a lighter sentence, now or later. I mean, I think we saw a good illustration of what happens if there's a significant possibility of you naming names on this. You "commit suicide" and there's an incredible series of "unfortunate events" that allow that to happen (even if it was a genuine suicide, it seems like there was some intentional neglect involved there). Maxwell probably understands that snitches get stitches. If she names anyone it will very strategically be relatively unimportant (i.e. ones without power or further info of their own) or dead people whilst continuing to deny anyone important was involved. |
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Post by simple on Dec 31, 2021 17:15:48 GMT
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Post by Ulythium on Dec 31, 2021 17:21:36 GMT
I can't bring myself to click on that, but the URL itself is just nauseating. What a vile publication.
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Post by simple on Dec 31, 2021 17:26:21 GMT
Its just the Prime Minister’s sister defending the child-sex trafficker he’s been friends with since university. Perfectly fine and normal.
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 17:26:46 GMT
The Spectator in general is almost impossible to believe as real these days. It's like something Private Eye would make up. An implausible celebration of mindless privilege and let-them-eat-cake-ness (is there a word for that?). That bit of straightforwardly heartless aristocratic blather is just par for the course. |
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Post by EMarkM on Dec 31, 2021 17:40:00 GMT
let-them-eat-cake-ness (is there a word for that?). That bit of straightforwardly heartless aristocratic blather is just par for the course. I believe it’s spelt “t w a t”. |
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Post by cubby on Dec 31, 2021 17:48:05 GMT
What is this fetishisation going on with all the press over Maxwell and Epstein, they've been plastering their faces canoodling all over the place like it's the front cover of Heat magazine
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 17:50:00 GMT
What is this fetishisation going on with all the press over Maxwell and Epstein, they've been plastering their faces canoodling all over the place like it's the front cover of Heat magazine I presumed they were picking those pictures to avoid supporting any claim Maxwell might make to be "just a friend" of Epstein (a line she did try to run a few years ago, when this whole thing started going big), but I'm probably being wildly overgenerous to the British press there. |
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Post by X201 on Dec 31, 2021 18:45:02 GMT
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Post by lexw on Dec 31, 2021 19:24:02 GMT
Is it even really a "conspiracy theory" at this point? It's more like a pretty basic belief that a crime was committed. It's a bit like saying it's a "conspiracy theory" that there was a party at 10 Downing Street when the restrictions were on. Or rather multiple parties. And that the cops won't investigate because the Met is basically property of the government by way of Cressida Dick being an overpromoted incompetent (long history of fuck-ups) toofer who will do literally anything to keep her job. |
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Post by Lizard on Dec 31, 2021 20:18:01 GMT
I find it odd that in response to any communications about sexual abuse between him and Epstein, the lawyers have said it's "overbroad, burdensome and oppressive”. If someone asked me for something like that, I'd just reply "there isn't anything". Saying "it'll be a real burden for me to get back to you on that unless you narrow down what exactly you mean by sexual abuse" would end up with me expecting to be in prison for some time. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. It's a sandbagging tactic. As I understand it, and I'm not a lawyer but do work on civil court cases, the court has to consider the submission that the discovery request is too broad. Giuffre's lawyers will have to provide their submissions as to why it's not and/or refocus their request. It all takes more time and money. Just saying 'there isn't anything' isn't an option as even if true you still have to provide the documents. |
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Post by Rich on Jan 1, 2022 20:18:08 GMT
Loving the idea that Andrew can't find a single person who remembers him visiting a Pizza Express (not even the people he was with apparently.)
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jan 1, 2022 21:43:51 GMT
Eh, not really. You could pretty easily spin it as "two overworked guards didn't pay attention, fucked up, then tried to cover their tracks so they wouldn't get in trouble". Though on the other hand, they do look pretty shifty in their court pics. The cold-blooded murderers. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jan 1, 2022 21:53:43 GMT
Loving the idea that Andrew can't find a single person who remembers him visiting a Pizza Express (not even the people he was with apparently.) For reference, I remember seeing DI Burnside in the duty free on a Calais to Dover ferry in 1987 and I will tell that to anyone who will listen. |
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