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Post by simple on Dec 29, 2021 22:31:19 GMT
Andrew must be sweating now
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Post by Lukus on Dec 29, 2021 23:08:21 GMT
He's having a massive dump
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Post by Jambowayoh on Dec 29, 2021 23:12:09 GMT
I think he's gone to Woking for the Christmas holiday.
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Post by mothercruncher on Dec 29, 2021 23:45:25 GMT
Prison guards looking the other way in 3… 2… 1…
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Post by dfunked on Dec 29, 2021 23:51:46 GMT
Those pesky accidental suicides...
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Post by X201 on Dec 29, 2021 23:53:13 GMT
Prison guards looking the other way in 3… 2… 1… The other route would be more interesting. Some low level celebrity to have their peccadilloes leaked as a warning shot to people in power of what info has been squirreled away over the years. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 30, 2021 7:38:04 GMT
According to the conspiracy theory, Epstein was 'killed' to prevent him 'naming names'.
Maxwell has already been tried and convicted. If she was going to name names, she would have already.
Seen the "she's going to kill herself in prison thing" mentioned loads and it just feels like a bit of an overlap between lefties and qanon.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 30, 2021 7:47:36 GMT
Personally, I find "prisons are cruel, inhumane institutions staffed by neglectful idiots who don't take proper care of their charges" a more convincing argument than any conspiracy thing.
I don't want this person to die. Leaving aside the morality of it, I think living is a much harsher punishment for her.
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Post by technoish on Dec 30, 2021 8:00:49 GMT
Good result, I guess, in absence of the main man.
Thing I don't get, is what were the parents doing? These weren't as far as I am aware the kind of vulnerable / in care / homeless kids that you see in these Rochdale type sex pest rings. My future 13 year old is not going off to another country with some old geezer.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 30, 2021 8:07:22 GMT
Some parents just don't care. Or they've got busy jobs and they have to give their teenagers a long leash.
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Post by aubergine on Dec 30, 2021 8:19:56 GMT
According to the conspiracy theory, Epstein was 'killed' to prevent him 'naming names'. Maxwell has already been tried and convicted. If she was going to name names, she would have already. Seen the "she's going to kill herself in prison thing" mentioned loads and it just feels like a bit of an overlap between lefties and qanon. Some lawyers discussing the verdict on US TV said that there’s still scope for her to get reduced sentence via cooperation. What you’re talking about is only relevant when the person pleads guilty or otherwise strikes a deal before the trial I think. There’s also a question of whether the prosecutors / DA whatever even approach her for names. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 30, 2021 8:51:29 GMT
Of course, I'm still not entirely convinced Epstein was murdered. It's plausible, maybe, but I don't think it's a cast iron definite.
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Post by cubby on Dec 30, 2021 9:20:43 GMT
He was definitely allowed to murder himself at the very least
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 30, 2021 9:26:46 GMT
I dunno... the shit you hear about what goes on in American prisons is pretty heinous.
You'd think "surely nobody could be so incompetent as to accidentally let this guy kill himself". But they could, and they are.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 30, 2021 9:27:51 GMT
I'm not even convinced by that.
It's one of the more plausible conspiracy theories to be sure, and there may one day be evidence that convinces me, but it's all just conjecture.
It's equally plausible that in a callous prison system the guards just neglected their duty of care. Epstein isn't the first prisoner under suicide watch to kill themselves, and he won't be the last.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 9:30:05 GMT
It's just a shame all the surveillance footage was deleted by accident or we could have known for sure.
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Post by sport✅ on Dec 30, 2021 9:31:29 GMT
It's equally plausible that in a callous prison system the guards just neglected their duty of care. Epstein isn't the first prisoner under suicide watch to kill themselves, and he won't be the last. Is that a threat, doctor? |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 30, 2021 9:32:34 GMT
"never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence"
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Post by dominalien on Dec 30, 2021 9:36:24 GMT
But that just makes no sense at all. Just because something could have happened by incompetence doesn't mean there was no malice.
It doesn't matter either way, does it? Someone made sure there's no way to establish the truth so the truth will not be established.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 9:47:40 GMT
I wouldn't even class it as a conspiracy theory. A man who was known to have ran a paedophile ring for the rich and famous which included a prominent member of the royal family, who was known to keep detailed records in order to blackmail people, died in prison while under surveillance. And all the CCTV and backups were immediately deleted by accident.
I hate wild conspiracy theories as much as the next person, but there's also a danger of labelling everything a conspiracy theory when it's pretty much nailed on that it happened.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 30, 2021 9:47:40 GMT
But that just makes no sense at all. Just because something could have happened by incompetence doesn't mean there was no malice. It doesn't matter either way, does it? Someone made sure there's no way to establish the truth so the truth will not be established. Well yeah, we'll never 100% know for sure. I just don't think "they were really fucking incompetent" is as unlikely an explanation as others think it is. Not when this happens: www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/08/thirty-two-stories-jeffrey-epstein-prison-death/596029/ |
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Post by sport✅ on Dec 30, 2021 9:53:52 GMT
So are we saying this could have gone either way?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Dec 30, 2021 9:55:51 GMT
It's not a cast iron certainty why the surveillance was deleted.
I think it's likely that the footage was deleted for a reason, but it's plausible that it was deleted to hide evidence of neglect on the part of the guards, not necessarily to hide evidence of a murder.
It's not a *wild* conspiracy theory, but it is literally a theory about a conspiracy. It's plausible, but I honestly don't think it's as nailed on as you or Joe Rogan think.
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Post by sport✅ on Dec 30, 2021 9:59:38 GMT
Footage shows Epstein killed by a jacked chimp.
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Post by GigaChad Sigma. on Dec 30, 2021 10:01:53 GMT
I think there comes a point where the coincidences pile up a little too high. Especially when there's a long list of influential people with a lot to lose and who would be very happy he was dead.
Probably the most high profile inmate in the facility.
On Suicide watch but managed to hang himself.
Two prison guards on duty at the time falsifying records.
CCTV erased by 'technical errors'
Anyway as for Maxwell I can't imagine being convicted of sex trafficking under age girls for billionaire paedo's makes you particularly popular in prison. If she makes it out of the detention centre and to appeal/sentencing I'm sure she'll have a plenty of names/info to share for a reduced sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 10:04:36 GMT
Man who keeps detailed records of his clients to use as blackmail should he ever be caught kills himself at first opportunity.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 30, 2021 10:55:31 GMT
On the other hand, you’d think she knows more or less as much as him which does pour water on him being suicided.
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Post by EMarkM on Dec 30, 2021 10:57:58 GMT
Not sure how new it is, but there's a Bing News headline this morning regarding Prince Andrew asking for "special" provisions to be made for evidence to be withheld.
None of this is very nice, is it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 11:15:57 GMT
On the other hand, you’d think she knows more or less as much as him which does pour water on him being suicided. Although "look what happens when you can't keep your mouth shut" also works. |
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Post by MysteryLamb on Dec 30, 2021 14:32:51 GMT
I keep reading stuff about Maxwell giving out names etc but it's already been announced that she's going to appeal the verdict. She can't say anything if she's still trying to claim innocence.
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