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Post by baihu1983 on Jun 2, 2023 10:21:57 GMT
I’m sure there are pictures of Schofield out and about drinking in a bar with mcgreevy when he was a lot younger than 20 too. Also Why have they still not named him and are blurring out his pictures The video of them keeps appearing on twitter |
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Post by simple on Jun 2, 2023 10:23:25 GMT
It is quite weird that the only voice in the media expressing concern for the boy’s wellbeing is Schofield himself.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 10:23:27 GMT
Sometimes I think the whole age of consent thing is barely relevant. There are appropriate relationships and inappropriate relationships. Two 15 year olds shagging isn’t going to make me clutch my pearls (so long as they’re doing it awkwardly and with no one really understanding how it works) but a 18 year old and a 40 year old for example is fucking weird.
Thinking back to how papers used to have topless 16 year olds and countdowns to girls 16th birthday feels really gross now. And that wasn’t even that long ago. Sending the message that 16 = sex is just a bit unhealthy.
But obviously everyone should have done it before 25. That’s a rule that should be enforced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 10:28:20 GMT
Right...
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 10:28:37 GMT
Alison Hammond has just had a tearful moment talking about the whole thing where she’s said “Use the Bible as your Sat Nav”
Me: Oh God please don’t be referring to Leviticus.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 10:29:13 GMT
I'm old enough to remember Bill Wyman and Mandy Smith (13) being a thing. Even as kid I knew it was wrong but the media just went along with it and my parents just called him a dirty old man.
It's only when I got older and read a biography on Brian Jones (Golden Stone, great book) I found out he had form for young girls dating back to the 60's.... He's another proper wrong un who now lives a life of luxury in the South of France
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Post by geefe on Jun 2, 2023 10:31:03 GMT
Alison Hammond has just had a tearful moment talking about the whole thing where she’s said “Use the Bible as your Sat Nav” Me: Oh God please don’t be referring to Leviticus. Just seen that. She went full "my mum always said..." And then start flinging Bible quotes. BRING BACK PHIL. Also she was banging on about "I know it's wrong but let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and I fucking hate that. Sorry, Mr Saville, but I can't judge you because I stole some cider when I was 14. Fuck off.. |
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Post by anthonyuk on Jun 2, 2023 10:35:25 GMT
Depending on what you read, the timeline of events point to the victim reaching out via twitter as a child underage and seemingly being mostly ignored. Philip seemingly took a keener interest once they turned 16-18, after the victim once again reached out via another new seperate twitter account.
It could obviously be alot more sinister and he'd been grooming the boy since he was 12, I guess he's hardly going to do that via twitter.
If however it was a case of the boy reaching out at 18 and it's developed purely from that, I can see how people could claim there's an element of homophobia involved within this current outrage. Genuinely can't see there being quite the same outrage if it was an 18 year old blonde girl. Chris Evans & Billie Piper springs to mind, while also being suitably icky.
I would say having friends who struggled with their sexuality, hiding and even harming themselves in the process. For Phillip to "come out" and bask in the sympathy and adulation, purely as a way of burying the story and furthering his own career shows the true nature of the man.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 2, 2023 10:36:19 GMT
True but there's always an inherent power dynamic in these famous couplings where predominantly it's always a much, much, much older, famous guy. She's nearly 30 - that's a decade and a half of being an adult. Surely we should credit her with some sort of agency to make her own choices? She's dated multiple older Hollywood stars, apparently, perhaps she just likes really old men? If he had been dating her for 10+ years, was her boss, was getting her parts in films etc, I might agree there's a power dynamic of an older man using his knowledge, wealth, fame and experience to bamboozle a starstruck younger woman, but we can only guess if those things have happened and speculating so does her a disservice and suggests that she cannot make her own decisions. It might even be so, but we don't know that. On this occasion I would agree especially as she has form with very old rich men, but I think we have agreement about how it usually goes but I do agree there is an attempt to infantilise the younger person in the relationship some times. |
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 10:37:31 GMT
I think people get this one a bit back to front. The issue is whether a relationship is based on genuine connection and affection, or whether coercion or manipulation of some sort is at play.
Age, fame, power etc can all be factors in that manipulation, but that does not mean those factors automatically mean a relationship is problematic.
The notion of ‘consenting adults’ is the legal bare minimum for a relationship to be legit. Beyond that there are still as said lots of other factors that can make it a problematic relationship.
However it’s also I think reasonable to say if those others problematic factors aren’t in play, as long as both parties are grown ups they can do whatever the fuck they want without judgement.
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Post by Solid-SCB- on Jun 2, 2023 10:47:15 GMT
The fact it's a homosexual relationship makes me feel a bit more for the alleged victim more than anything. I've already heard water cooler talk more or less to the effect of "The noncing made him gay, he had no chance being warped like that". So on top of the fact he's possibly been groomed from an early age, he's also now not even allowed to fully take ownership of his sexuality because outside forces caused it.
So many layers of damage stuff like this causes.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 10:56:03 GMT
Depending on what you read the timeline of events point to the victim reaching out via twitter as a child underage to be seemingly being ignored, to then Philip taking a keener interest once they turned 16-18 after the victim reached out again via another new seperate account. It could obviously be alot more sinister and been grooming the boy since he was 12, I guess he's hardly going to do that via twitter. If however it was a case of the boy reaching out at 18 and it's developed purely from that, I can see how people could claim there's an element of homophobia involved within this current outrage. Genuinely can't see there being quite the same outrage if it was an 18 year old blonde girl. Chris Evans & Billie Piper springs to mind, while also being suitably icky. I would say having friends who struggled with their sexuality, hiding and even harming themselves in the process. For Phillip to "come out" and bask in the sympathy and adulation, purely as a way of burying the story and furthering his own career shows the true nature of the man. Yeah the timeline doesn't seem too bad, but Schofield did follow McGreevys twitter account when he was 15, he just didn't send any public tweets until he was 18. Which could be deemed as responsible or 'clever' |
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Post by mothercruncher on Jun 2, 2023 11:07:40 GMT
Just so I’m clear, am I allowed to think children are sexy the first minute of their 16th birthday? And do I get my adult children to babysit for them prior to that. It’s so confusing  |
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 11:08:27 GMT
The fact it's a homosexual relationship makes me feel a bit more for the alleged victim more than anything. I've already heard water cooler talk more or less to the effect of "The noncing made him gay, he had no chance being warped like that". So on top of the fact he's possibly been groomed from an early age, he's also now not even allowed to fully take ownership of his sexuality because outside forces caused it. So many layers of damage stuff like this causes. Like I say, the absolute zero fucks given about protecting this guy tells its own story. |
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Post by mothercruncher on Jun 2, 2023 11:08:31 GMT
“Nothing happened before he was 20” is absolutely going to come back and haunt him if the timeline rumours are accurate.
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Post by simple on Jun 2, 2023 11:13:12 GMT
Just so I’m clear, am I allowed to think children are sexy the first minute of their 16th birthday? And do I get my adult children to babysit for them prior to that. It’s so confusing Our safeguarding training at work says anyone under 18 is a child regardless of other factors. So get those blinkers back on. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 2, 2023 11:15:46 GMT
From what I've read (which isn't much) they met when he was 15 at a drama event of some kind and Phil was asked to help him get a job in the media. He got him a job on This Morning when he was older (18-20) and then the relationship started
I've never really seen it as a noncing issue. If it is, even a cursory glance at an internet porn site suggests most men are nonces
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 11:21:32 GMT
Someone posted a timeline thing in here before that very heavily suggests it is a noncing issue.
Think Nick has suggested bits about it before too.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 2, 2023 11:27:54 GMT
Hang on... people give cursory glances to porn sites?
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Post by geefe on Jun 2, 2023 11:29:27 GMT
Just so I’m clear, am I allowed to think children are sexy the first minute of their 16th birthday? And do I get my adult children to babysit for them prior to that. It’s so confusing Our safeguarding training at work says anyone under 18 is a child regardless of other factors. So get those blinkers back on. And we're told anyone that you have any position over is abuse of power. |
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 2, 2023 11:32:35 GMT
Hang on... people give cursory glances to porn sites? I did before making that comment. As research. Just looked at the first video I saw, watched the first 30 seconds, skipped to the middle, then the end. Disgusting |
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Post by Lukus on Jun 2, 2023 11:35:41 GMT
Whilst I've definitely participated in a bit of a pile on, with stuff like this ultimately I always find myself eventually thinking, only two people really know that the actual truth is. And neither of them are going to be objective either. So, fuck it. I don't need to know. I don't need to think about it. I won't miss Schofield from the telly. He may or may not be a paedo. At the very least he's a dirty old man. On with my life I go.
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Post by simple on Jun 2, 2023 11:39:44 GMT
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 12:04:11 GMT
Yeah there’s not much more water to be drug up from this well now. It’s just going to be the same people bringing it up as it’s their only way of getting attention. The results of the probe on ITV will probably keep this in the public eye for a bit but by next month most people will have moved on to the next outrage. Johnson’s WhatsApp messages might have a bit more longevity.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 12:11:35 GMT
Lets all just remember that Phil is only sad now because its all come out. 3 weeks ago he didn't have a care in the world, perfectly happy and was by some accounts being a daily thundercunt to the ITV staff.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 12:26:00 GMT
I remember when those untelevised clips of Andy Gray and Richard Keys came to light and got them sacked. Staff at Sky Sports couldn’t have been happier to see the back of them. It was a long time coming. I’m assuming it’s a similar story here.
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Post by Syrette on Jun 2, 2023 21:05:44 GMT
50+ people died in a train crash today - is this Schofield story really the headline news?
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 21:08:11 GMT
Depends. How many people on the train were a bit groomy?
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Post by Aunt Alison on Jun 2, 2023 21:17:11 GMT
How old was the train
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Post by Frog on Jun 2, 2023 21:24:50 GMT
Slight underestimate there, it's 120+.
As sad as it is a lot of people will care more about the Schofield saga than 120 dead Indian people.
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