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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 7:59:59 GMT
I’m sure there are pictures of Schofield out and about drinking in a bar with mcgreevy when he was a lot younger than 20 too.
Also Why have they still not named him and are blurring out his pictures
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Post by geefe on Jun 2, 2023 8:03:24 GMT
Is that "why have they not named the victim"?
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Post by Ulythium on Jun 2, 2023 8:06:01 GMT
Literally a guy sat opposite me at work (who I don't know) is saying to his mate that he feels sorry for Schofield.
"All this 'cause he jumped a bloody queue?"
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 2, 2023 8:18:28 GMT
To be fair to the "sympathy for Schofield" crowd, the reporting isn't actually telling us important details like the age of the kid. I've seen comments online saying 10-12 when they first met, but that hasn't been in any mainstream news, so no idea if that is true or not. I expect if that was true and included in reporting, people would be less sympathetic.
Most will probably assume that the young guy was 18, seeing as we just know he was runner on This Morning (can you get a job like that at 16?). An older generation in particular likely wouldn't see it much different to someone like Brucie having a lady 50+ years his junior on his arm (not that this is right either, but certainly not illegal and not viewed as morally wrong until recent years).
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Post by freddiemercurystwin on Jun 2, 2023 8:28:39 GMT
There are various timelines on the web for anyone bothered to Google it but not sure how accurate they are, there sure has been a massive witch hunt for his blood in the gutter of social and non mainstream media for a couple of years.
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 8:42:28 GMT
As with everything there’s no room for nuance. The Schofield thing is a field day for homophobes as it’s effectively validation for all their worst prejudices, and they’re going to town on him. That can be wrong at the same time as whatever he’s done also being wrong.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 2, 2023 8:57:09 GMT
That's sadly very true. The sexuality of Schofield isn't something I care about, if he'd been grooming a teenage girl, or if it was an older woman, in a position of power, grooming a teenage boy it would be just as wrong.
But absolutely some people will use this to fuel their prejudices.
Let's leave Phil's sexuality out of this and just concentrate on the noncy aspect of all this
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 2, 2023 9:01:11 GMT
Shame the BBC felt they had to release this interview at the same time as their Andrew Tate interview, as I don't think the dangerous sex pest we need to pay attention to is the 61 year old crying about the end of his career.
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Post by Lukus on Jun 2, 2023 9:02:53 GMT
Coincidentally, it's just started on BBC 2. It's already super weird.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 9:05:59 GMT
I’ve not seen any homophobia, but I don’t frequent Twitter etc.
all I’ve seen is the mainstream media imply things without any clear information.
However 3 years ago it all came, the Lad was very young when they first met and there were pictures and videos of them in a restaurant when he looked no older than 16. This damage limitation exercise by Schofield and the itv needs to be put to bed, the guy is wrong un, just like if it was an underage girl. Who gets to know a girl when she is 12 then starts sleeping with them at 16…
On another note My wife and sister both work in tv and it was common knowledge that Schofield was gay for years. There is next to no homophobia in British tv land
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 9:07:04 GMT
I mean it’s all just intended distraction from all the government/Covid/boris stuff if we’re being real.
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 9:08:08 GMT
I’ve not seen any homophobia, but I don’t frequent Twitter etc. all I’ve seen is the mainstream media imply things without any clear information. However 3 years ago it all came, the Lad was very young when they first met and there were pictures and videos of them in a restaurant when he looked no older than 16. This damage limitation exercise by Schofield and the itv needs to be put to bed, the guy is wrong un, just like if it was an underage girl. Who gets to know a girl when she is 12 then starts sleeping with them at 16… On another note My wife and sister both work in tv and it was common knowledge that Schofield was gay for years. Their is next to no homophobia in British tv land 16 is the age of consent. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 2, 2023 9:08:33 GMT
I mean it’s all just intended distraction from all the government/Covid/boris stuff if we’re being real. Depressingly it really is. |
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 9:11:22 GMT
I’ve not seen any homophobia, but I don’t frequent Twitter etc. all I’ve seen is the mainstream media imply things without any clear information. However 3 years ago it all came, the Lad was very young when they first met and there were pictures and videos of them in a restaurant when he looked no older than 16. This damage limitation exercise by Schofield and the itv needs to be put to bed, the guy is wrong un, just like if it was an underage girl. Who gets to know a girl when she is 12 then starts sleeping with them at 16… On another note My wife and sister both work in tv and it was common knowledge that Schofield was gay for years. Their is next to no homophobia in British tv land 16 is the age of consent. Yep, doesn't make it any less creepy when they have known them since they were 12. He is a wrong un |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 2, 2023 9:16:33 GMT
16 being the age of consent is weird. I mean, a 50 year old sleeping with a 16 year old just feels very dodgy.
I know there needs to be a line drawn somewhere for legislature, but as both individuals get older the wider the gap can be before it feels "wrong". Or maybe it's just me.
I mean, 34 and 16 feels a off, but 40 and 56 seems okay. Then of course there's so the complications with different people having different levels of emotional maturity, different levels of influence and power.
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 9:19:19 GMT
I think this is where caution is important. Grooming/nonce is very baked into the homophobic narrative and as of yet we do not know that this actually happened. It may have happened and the circumstantial evidence is damning, but certainly the homophobes are again having a field day with accusations of pedophilia and grooming and it’s in the overlap that things get messy.
One quite significant tell is the lack of concern for the guy he had there affair, and in fact the gleeful posting of images and videos of him in the rush to bury Schofield. If he is a victim of grooming and people really cared about that, that’s clearly not the right thing to do.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 2, 2023 9:19:37 GMT
Rank.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 2, 2023 9:19:58 GMT
We should probably get 82 year old Al Pacino and his pregnant 29 year old gf in here.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 2, 2023 9:24:43 GMT
That age gap is also quite squicky.
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Post by kal on Jun 2, 2023 9:29:14 GMT
Age of consent is super tricky but if you feel strongly that 16 year olds should have the vote, you should probably be ok with them making their own decisions about who they have sex with.
My take is once people are adults their choices should be their own without judgement. But I do feel by a similar token that 18 or even 21 is a more appropriate place to draw that line.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 2, 2023 9:30:01 GMT
That age gap is also quite squicky. She's not 16, though. Presumably, there comes a point where people have been adults long enough to make their own informed choices, regardless of what we as a society think of them? Edit: Kal beating me to the punch, again. |
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 2, 2023 9:34:13 GMT
I know it's legal, but it does feel off to me. Which ultimately means fuck all, but there you go. Squicky.
I'm sure neither of them will be bothered by what I think and I'm not going to harrangue them but it just seems weird.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 2, 2023 9:51:19 GMT
I know it's legal, but it does feel off to me. Which ultimately means fuck all, but there you go. Squicky. I'm sure neither of them will be bothered by what I think and I'm not going to harrangue them but it just seems weird. I don't know, I heard Pacino's lawyers are already preparing defamation of character charges against you. Good luck. |
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 2, 2023 9:53:32 GMT
That age gap is also quite squicky. She's not 16, though. Presumably, there comes a point where people have been adults long enough to make their own informed choices, regardless of what we as a society think of them? Edit: Kal beating me to the punch, again. True but there's always an inherent power dynamic in these famous couplings where predominantly it's always a much, much, much older, famous guy. |
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 9:59:47 GMT
It’s interesting seeing the sort of people coming out of the woodwork to get their last jabs in. It’s not often Jodie Marsh rises from the depths these days. Not to say Schofield wasn’t vile - more so that there was a certain level of people he saw as fair game and could give a kicking.
That being said, considering his career is now done, I don’t think there’s much more you can do to bring him down. It’s all about 20 years and god knows how many millions of pounds too late. He’s a pariah in the UK, but he’ll probably move to any other country (it’s not like he’s globally well known) and live out the rest of his days in relative peace.
He’ll be a pub quiz answer in five years time. Holly Willoughby on the other hand is unfortunately is going to have try and shake off the association.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 10:01:36 GMT
16 is the age of consent, I think its more the fact that a man in his 50s new the person as minor then developed a relationship with them and apparently waited until they were 16 to get his end away. Its seedy and stinks of grooming.
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Post by clemfandango on Jun 2, 2023 10:03:46 GMT
As someone with a five month old baby, I can confirm sex is basically a bad idea and no one should do it at any age. I don't think Phillip had to worry about babies being made... |
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Post by rawshark on Jun 2, 2023 10:05:45 GMT
Even so. If he’d have taken up the noble hobby of disinfecting bottles and building ikea furniture and bed by 8pm instead he’d still be in with a job.
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Post by geefe on Jun 2, 2023 10:18:03 GMT
He's 61. That's practically telly retirement anyway.
Heard on the radio, and you must find it - a very angry old woman from Glasgow defending him to the hilt. She even threatened a dude who works in care who said the material he'd seen were similar to grooming he has to deal with.
I quote: "you're just lucky I'm up in Glasgow"
Still, at least we're not talking about the government wilfully breaking their own covid rules eh?
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Post by dogbot on Jun 2, 2023 10:20:23 GMT
She's not 16, though. Presumably, there comes a point where people have been adults long enough to make their own informed choices, regardless of what we as a society think of them? Edit: Kal beating me to the punch, again. True but there's always an inherent power dynamic in these famous couplings where predominantly it's always a much, much, much older, famous guy. She's nearly 30 - that's a decade and a half of being an adult. Surely we should credit her with some sort of agency to make her own choices? She's dated multiple older Hollywood stars, apparently, perhaps she just likes really old men? If he had been dating her for 10+ years, was her boss, was getting her parts in films etc, I might agree there's a power dynamic of an older man using his knowledge, wealth, fame and experience to bamboozle a starstruck younger woman, but we can only guess if those things have happened and speculating so does her a disservice and suggests that she cannot make her own decisions. It might even be so, but we don't know that. |
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