Celebrity Paedogeddon and old men yelling at clouds

I've been in an abusive relationship too, mate. Gaslighting, punching etc. It's horrible. The worst bit for me was if I ever reacted, which narcissistic people love to provoke, they live for it, and they will never ever let you forget it. If you shout in frustration they make you feel like you've lost it, and that you're the one who's escalated things, and make you feel endless shame and guilt about it.

Reacting and shouting, I can totally see it being abuse. But if it's in response to abuse, I can't quite go along with that notion. Obviously if it escalates to outright physical abuse, but so often there's cases of women who've hit their husbands because they couldn't take their abuse any more.

I more often than not had to leave the house, like how Depp says he does in the audio recordings, but even that was me abusing them apparently. I believed it for a while until I got help.

Perhaps it's worth noting that you might not be the most objective observer of this? However, just because you see your own situation or some similarities thereof, mirrored in this, it still doesn't absolve either party, or make what was said in an opinion piece defamation, nor does it justify the circus (which, as noted, can be seen in and of itself to be a perpetuation of abuse) and the behaviour of some of the people desperate to see a clown car crash. The fact remains that this trial is widely seen as damaging to people who are actual victims of abuse, which should be concerning to anyone who considers that they are or were that.

I suspect that whatever the result of this case, it will be appealled and that neither of them will ever see the damages they're seeking. He won't get the massive Disney roles any more, she might not get some of the roles she might have, but both of them will continue to work; the lawyers will rub their hands together and the odd folks on either side who are cheering their protagonist on like a team sport will claim victory and see their positions as vindicated.

I think Cubby is just about to read out the verdict.

I don’t think it even matters what the verdict is at this point.

Verdict imminent apparently ....

What's the prize?

Make him a nice sammich

What’s going to be even more boring is that there’ll inevitably be an appeal regardless and then we could have the whole thing start over again as there’s a chance the VA Supreme Court could throw it out saying it shouldn’t have been filed in VA in the first place.

From both a legal and a cultural viewpoint this is a bag of shit for everyone concerned.

I’m also confused

Well, there we go. Found in Depp's favour, unanimously. I'm not surprised as I just didn't find her credible at all at any point (and I watched more of the court case than I'd care to admit - and not just selective edits on social media) and it was quite fascinating that there appeared to be no witnesses whatsoever to all the claims she made. The one that stands out in my mind is her saying Depp launched a kick at her back in front of a bunch of people on a plane ("in my BACK!" followed by peculiar grimace) yet there doesn't seem to be anyone that can validate the claim. Same for a bunch of other accusation.

I know that's anathema to some people, that you just HAVE to believe someone that claims to be a victim of abuse. Well, no, you should take claims as seriously as is reasonable to do so given all the other information that's available opposing those claims and be mindful that some pricks do make stuff up, unfortunately.

This will probably get lost in the noise but this is a terrific article -
www.vanityfair.com/style/2022/05/monica-lewinskys-verdict-on-the-johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial/amp

Depp wins.

Heard to flex her acting skills in her new career as a glory hole laborer.

My mistakey. I misread the BBC title, which happened to be mostly nonsense.

Dude? Seriously?