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Post by Blue_Mike on May 31, 2022 22:30:45 GMT
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Post by Danno on May 31, 2022 22:40:32 GMT
Yeah he doesn't deny getting wasted on drugs and alcohol, sending pretty disgusting texts to friends and the like. He denied some texts that came in right at the end, which was unusual because he's owned up to pretty much every other text he's sent, but there's some question mark around whether someone sent those texts to him as they were labelled as "incoming" on the evidence. As for any texts that Heard sent? Well she didn't hand over any of those. He is abusive, in terms of being very difficult to live with via his addictions and mood swings and seemingly having a 'deal with it or fuck off' attitude about it. Physically, it doesn't seem so.
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Post by deebs on Jun 1, 2022 1:28:21 GMT
She got fucked up as much as he did.
And it turns out she was also allegedly a hooker, having 3somes with Elon Musk and Cara Delavigne for that Musk cash.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 1, 2022 1:48:08 GMT
The word "allegedly" is doing a whole lot of work in that sentence.
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Post by deebs on Jun 1, 2022 4:00:57 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 1, 2022 8:33:30 GMT
Yeah, not.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 1, 2022 9:22:31 GMT
Like, it's ok to think that Heard was the worse of the two (not that it really matters for the purpose of this trial). But there's no need to bring all this other stuff into it, particularly when it's the "oh a friend of a friend told me" kind of thing.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 1, 2022 9:31:55 GMT
Even if she is/was a terrible human being, that wouldn't/doesn't remotely excuse Depp's abusive behaviour anyway.
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Post by cubby on Jun 1, 2022 9:36:23 GMT
When you guys are saying Depp's behaviour, could you be more specific what you're talking about?
Because it's all getting into a melange where physical abuse/sexual abuse/being drunk/shouting are being treated as the same thing.
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Post by jono62 on Jun 1, 2022 9:38:00 GMT
Mélange a trois, like what Heard did with Musk and Delevingne.
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Post by cubby on Jun 1, 2022 9:53:42 GMT
Yeah he doesn't deny getting wasted on drugs and alcohol, sending pretty disgusting texts to friends and the like. He denied some texts that came in right at the end, which was unusual because he's owned up to pretty much every other text he's sent, but there's some question mark around whether someone sent those texts to him as they were labelled as "incoming" on the evidence. As for any texts that Heard sent? Well she didn't hand over any of those. He is abusive, in terms of being very difficult to live with via his addictions and mood swings and seemingly having a 'deal with it or fuck off' attitude about it. Physically, it doesn't seem so. Listen to these, Danno.
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 1, 2022 9:57:54 GMT
Because it's all getting into a melange where physical abuse/sexual abuse/being drunk/shouting are being treated as the same thing. Not getting into how it relates to the Depp / Heard bullshit specifically as I cba getting into that at all at the moment, but *in general* those things are all very much abuse. Some are perhaps worse than others but they're all abusive behaviour and so can be treated in much the same way.
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Post by cubby on Jun 1, 2022 10:03:06 GMT
Respectfully, it very much matters what we're talking about. Being vague when discussing abuse is a dangerous road to go down that enables calling a whole swathe of actions without context abuse.
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Post by anthonyuk on Jun 1, 2022 11:04:04 GMT
Amber does seem like a nightmare to put it lightly.
The article about the alleged affair mentions one night.
We know Johnny was a addicted to drink and drugs and often violent, in the very least smashing hotel rooms and his own home. Worst case being all the accusations are true and he was beating her.
As awful as she is, if an attractive 30 year old woman comes to the realisation she's married to a drink and drug addict 20 years her senior. I can see how having a fling with the richest man on the planet and one of the hottest models might hold some appeal to have a break from reality.
No justification, just I can understand how that could happen. But again this seems like mud slinging, if she did have an affair.. What does that prove? She maybe she deserved a slap?
Even the videos above, the thumbnails straight away tell you what angle they're going for. She's awful, but we know that already.
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Post by Lukus on Jun 1, 2022 11:24:29 GMT
I mean if nothing else, all the media attention this case has got has highlighted what a circus the justice system can be. It's not about credible evidence or facts, it's about discrediting your opponent, smearing their reputation, highlighting what a prick they are and hoping this leads a jury to making an emotional choice rather than an objective one.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 1, 2022 11:34:41 GMT
I mean if nothing else, all the media attention this case has got has highlighted what a circus the justice system can be. It's not about credible evidence or facts, it's about discrediting your opponent, smearing their reputation, highlighting what a prick they are and hoping this leads a jury to making an emotional choice rather than an objective one. There's been some suggestions that this is why his legal team wanted to conduct the case in Virginia, not in LA (where they both live), so they could take advantage of its weaker anti-SLAPP laws and the case could be tried in the public eye (and thus, in the court of public opinion), rather than in private. news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/depps-choice-of-virginia-trial-in-heard-lawsuit-shows-strategy
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Post by スコットランド on Jun 1, 2022 11:48:59 GMT
Shouldn't this have it's own thread?
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Post by cubby on Jun 1, 2022 12:20:59 GMT
I mean if nothing else, all the media attention this case has got has highlighted what a circus the justice system can be. It's not about credible evidence or facts, it's about discrediting your opponent, smearing their reputation, highlighting what a prick they are and hoping this leads a jury to making an emotional choice rather than an objective one. There's been some suggestions that this is why his legal team wanted to conduct the case in Virginia, not in LA (where they both live), so they could take advantage of its weaker anti-SLAPP laws and the case could be tried in the public eye (and thus, in the court of public opinion), rather than in private. news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/depps-choice-of-virginia-trial-in-heard-lawsuit-shows-strategyThe Washington Post explains why it's in Virginia. www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2022/04/25/depp-heard-trial-scene/Not any mention of it being because of Anti-SLAPP reasons.
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Post by dogbot on Jun 1, 2022 13:06:30 GMT
Well, that's what his lawyers said, which is why the paper printed that, but:
"The Washington Post, which is not a defendent in this case..."
It's been suggested by legal experts commenting on the case (such as those quoted above, in Bloomberg law) that this is just an excuse as it's only printed in that county, not actually domiciled there... The paper's headquaters is actually in DC, so why didn't they request the trial be held there, I wonder? The simple fact is that this is not remotely about the paper and that seems like a facile argument, which is why other legal commentators are questioning that tack.
It's important to read between the lines and not just accept everything that one side says at face value.
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Post by 😎 on Jun 1, 2022 13:09:21 GMT
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Post by dogbot on Jun 1, 2022 13:09:48 GMT
Fancy.
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Post by anthonyuk on Jun 1, 2022 13:13:36 GMT
I mean if nothing else, all the media attention this case has got has highlighted what a circus the justice system can be. It's not about credible evidence or facts, it's about discrediting your opponent, smearing their reputation, highlighting what a prick they are and hoping this leads a jury to making an emotional choice rather than an objective one. Exactly this. I've had my fair share of Amber's, from gaslighting and cheating to physical abuse and stalking. A male friend of mine recently had the police involved due to his mentally and physically abusive girlfriend, who eventually stopped him leaving the house. But none of the above would excuse abusing the woman in question. We didn't write abuse on walls or mirrors, we didn't even go trashing the house in a drunken and drug fueled rage, which personally I feel is a form of intimidation and abuse in itself. The focus seems to be how awful Amber Heard is.. How she lies, how she too takes drugs, allegedly has a personality disorder and even prostitutes herself out Elon Musk. She might well do and be all those things and might have been a cause or trigger for Depp. That doesn't make any form of abuse from him any less wrong. Just feels dangerously close to justification from all sides.
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Post by geefe on Jun 1, 2022 13:46:08 GMT
At this point, all I hear on this story is "I DID NOT HIT HER, IT'S NOT TRUE, IT'S BULLSHIT, I DID NOT"
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 1, 2022 13:49:48 GMT
Oh Hi Johnny!
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Jun 1, 2022 13:52:00 GMT
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Post by 😎 on Jun 1, 2022 13:52:17 GMT
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Post by Jambowayoh on Jun 1, 2022 13:55:25 GMT
To be fair I don't think misogynists need an excuse to indulge in their favourite hobby.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 1, 2022 13:56:34 GMT
This has been an absolutel gift to them, though. 'See? We told you women suck!'. Ugh.
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Post by cubby on Jun 1, 2022 14:36:28 GMT
I don't condone the "circus" aspect at all. But there's one thing to keep in mind with regards to the #metoo movement. It was a phenomenon of high profile abusers having their house of cards collapse because victims came forward in droves, so they couldn't be ignored, and said "it happened to me, too". This isn't to say that abuse can't happen to one person only, but she was trying to paint a picture of someone who abuses over and over again, who can't control their abusive behaviour. And no one else came forward to say "me too".
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