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Post by grey_matters on Sept 19, 2023 20:06:03 GMT
Is there anything to be said for the decline of Quentin Wilson as the (smarmy) voice of Top Gear and the rise of outright cunt-for-hire Jeremy Clarkson as the voice of Top Gear as heralding the end-times? Harbinger of vapid cuntery to a predictable schedule.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Sept 19, 2023 20:06:39 GMT
Related to Danny Dyer: the universal mirth of West Ham celebrating their biggest ever moment with a song about his daughter's sexual relationship. And Danny himself endorsing it.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 19, 2023 20:09:47 GMT
Interestingly Andrew Neil and The Spectator have gone in pretty hard on Brand. That’s actually a great piece. I feel dirty… |
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Post by zephro on Sept 19, 2023 20:16:21 GMT
. I thought that was for calling Cameron a cunt live on TV. |
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Post by cubby on Sept 19, 2023 20:18:00 GMT
It's an interesting beginning of an article, I feel like it abruptly ends half way through a thought on what's happening in society where people are more willing to trust people on social media than mainstream media.
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Post by Danno on Sept 19, 2023 20:27:30 GMT
You know when she talked about Zoo and Nuts and Danny Dyer having a column in one of them, I had completely forgotten about that but it came back vividly when she recounted his advice of cutting an ex's face with a knife so no one will want her. It really was quite a nasty time all prefaced with "it's a joke!" I remember that well. Even at the time it was too much and Dyer got sacked. But what was surprising was just how quick people were to forget… he might have lost the chicken feed he got for that column but he still got his job on Eastenders and still ended up presenting prime time Saturday evening game shows on BBC One. Always amazes me that the editor gets away with allowing this stuff to be published in these scenarios: see recentish Clarkson Sun column on Meghan "Cercie" Markle for the first example I can think of. |
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Post by rawshark on Sept 19, 2023 20:46:25 GMT
I remember that well. Even at the time it was too much and Dyer got sacked. But what was surprising was just how quick people were to forget… he might have lost the chicken feed he got for that column but he still got his job on Eastenders and still ended up presenting prime time Saturday evening game shows on BBC One. Always amazes me that the editor gets away with allowing this stuff to be published in these scenarios: see recentish Clarkson Sun column on Meghan "Cercie" Markle for the first example I can think of. Absolutely - the blame is just as much theirs. It never should have been allowed to go near print. I think it would have raised more of a stink had anyone given an iota of a shit about Zoo. |
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 19, 2023 20:55:54 GMT
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 19, 2023 21:18:06 GMT
Eeww.
Having actually looked and considered the allegations, this is about as far away from Assange as I could imagine (though that's the line quite a few people have taken).
The allegations, taken in context with emails, text messages, everything seems to hold up.
I'm honestly not a big fan of celebrity culture anyway, but I never found the guy funny or charming in anyway, that I kind of just avoided him. I watched one of his You tube video's where he interviewed Monbiot but found it uncomfortable to watch, he had clearly either gone down the rabbit hole, or was doing it for clicks and views. To be clear, Monbiot denounced him a few years ago now (because I like George, disagree or not he is evidence based).
I'm all for the rich and powerful to get their comeuppance.
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Post by simple on Sept 19, 2023 21:21:17 GMT
Interestingly Andrew Neil and The Spectator have gone in pretty hard on Brand. I’d missed that Galloway was on Team Brand but absolutely no surprise that he’d stand up for an alleged sex offender. |
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 19, 2023 21:39:27 GMT
I remember that well. Even at the time it was too much and Dyer got sacked. But what was surprising was just how quick people were to forget… he might have lost the chicken feed he got for that column but he still got his job on Eastenders and still ended up presenting prime time Saturday evening game shows on BBC One. Always amazes me that the editor gets away with allowing this stuff to be published in these scenarios: see recentish Clarkson Sun column on Meghan "Cercie" Markle for the first example I can think of. Yeah that's an interesting one. I wonder if it is really that hard for people who came through journalism (not a euphemism) in the late 90's early 00's to switch off from that 'edgy?' type of comedy they thought was funny? I think it was Kal who said (can't be bothered to look it up) that the late 90's to 00's culture with Zoo/Nuts, loaded, soccer AM and countless others was fucking crazy by today's standards (now we just have internet porn which is so much better). Is this what people my age are railing about? We can't say anything anymore and all that bullshit? |
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Post by elstoof on Sept 19, 2023 21:56:14 GMT
Didn’t the American Pie films come out in that era also? That was pretty much promoting sex to teens First one was 1999, but I think the whole "sexy teenagers in high school" thing was really kicked off by both Clueless (for younger teens) and Scream (for older teens) in the mid-90s. I always think of them as "teen movies from the 90s" - the whole Election, I Know What You Did, Cruel Intentions, 10 Things, Donnie Darko vibe of comedies and slasher movies - but tbh most of them came out around 1999/2000. All of which might be derailing the thread a bit. What were we talking about again? Perverts or which decade was the worst? Fast Times at Ridgemont high, featuring a 15 year old character losing her virginity to an older man after lying about her age, way back in 1982 |
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Post by stuz359 on Sept 19, 2023 21:58:44 GMT
Trainspotting was 1996
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Post by Danno on Sept 19, 2023 22:00:03 GMT
Always amazes me that the editor gets away with allowing this stuff to be published in these scenarios: see recentish Clarkson Sun column on Meghan "Cercie" Markle for the first example I can think of. Yeah that's an interesting one. I wonder if it is really that hard for people who came through journalism (not a euphemism) in the late 90's early 00's to switch off from that 'edgy?' type of comedy they thought was funny? I think it was Kal who said (can't be bothered to look it up) that the late 90's to 00's culture with Zoo/Nuts, loaded, Football AM and countless others was fucking crazy by today's standards (now we just have internet porn which is so much better). Is this what people my age are railing about? We can't say anything anymore and all that bullshit? It shouldn't be so difficult. I'd wager that most of us found South Park's use of 'gay' as an insult/adjective in 1999 quite amusing and were at least tolerant of the lad bullshit in the 00's, if not being quite pleased about all the bewbs. But had zero problem moving away from that. It looks like pretty of much all of us managed to mature sufficiently to realise how not to be a cunt to people that just want to get on with their lives. Media editors, and "free speech warriors", not so much. |
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 19, 2023 22:18:39 GMT
Interestingly Andrew Neil and The Spectator have gone in pretty hard on Brand. That’s actually a great piece. I feel dirty… Don’t pat his back too hard. After enabling them for so long, the cynic in me thinks that they have realised it’s probably a good time to draw a line between the traditional Conservative grift and the unhinged freaks who everyone now just accepts as being conservative before the whole thing implodes. They are just trying to stop the well being poisoned. |
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Post by Danno on Sept 19, 2023 22:28:53 GMT
Bit late re the poison element, but otherwise agreed
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Post by simple on Sept 19, 2023 22:30:38 GMT
Yeah that's an interesting one. I wonder if it is really that hard for people who came through journalism (not a euphemism) in the late 90's early 00's to switch off from that 'edgy?' type of comedy they thought was funny? I think it was Kal who said (can't be bothered to look it up) that the late 90's to 00's culture with Zoo/Nuts, loaded, Football AM and countless others was fucking crazy by today's standards (now we just have internet porn which is so much better). Is this what people my age are railing about? We can't say anything anymore and all that bullshit? It shouldn't be so difficult. I'd wager that most of us found South Park's use of 'gay' as an insult/adjective in 1999 quite amusing and were at least tolerant of the lad bullshit in the 00's, if not being quite pleased about all the bewbs. But had zero problem moving away from that. It looks like pretty of much all of us managed to mature sufficiently to realise how not to be a cunt to people that just want to get on with their lives. Media editors, and "free speech warriors", not so much. The thing that makes me cringe inside out at the memory of it is that at it was very common among my wider friends circle at the time to call some (able-bodied) a “Timmy” if they tripped unexpectedly or acted in any way off. Like if someone hit their funny bone off something and had their arm go funny they’d say “I’ve Timmy-ed my arm”. Weirdly the gay thing never really caught on but this is burnt into my memory as something truly not ok that no one gave a seconds thought to. |
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Post by Danno on Sept 19, 2023 22:44:42 GMT
Oh god yeah, the TIM-MAY thing was pretty unbearable. Even at the time for me, as I grew up protecting my sister, who had pretty severe learning difficulties.
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Post by simple on Sept 19, 2023 22:53:01 GMT
Completely indefensible, teenagers are very stupid.
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Post by grey_matters on Sept 19, 2023 23:40:49 GMT
Completely indefensible, teenagers are very stupid. Give them a few years, the new ones will be shouting at clouds in no time. Our responsibility is to shout at all the really stupid current clouds with all our might so that they might have better clouds to shout at. |
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Post by Onny on Sept 20, 2023 4:26:49 GMT
Wasn’t there literally a thread on the old place called “Tit Monday”?
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Post by X201 on Sept 20, 2023 6:00:41 GMT
Wasn’t there literally a thread on the old place called “Tit Monday”? Yes. Can’t see the problem with it. Why should cuckoos hog the spring has arrived headlines. |
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Post by kal on Sept 20, 2023 6:03:19 GMT
I’d missed that Galloway was on Team Brand but absolutely no surprise that he’d stand up for an alleged sex offender. Despite going right wing he’s been very cosy with Corbyn’s crew until extremely recently. They dropped him from a book of poetry that Corbyn and Len McCluskey have coming out when this story broke. Something something horseshoe theory something. |
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Post by kal on Sept 20, 2023 6:05:14 GMT
Wasn’t there literally a thread on the old place called “Tit Monday”? I remember when that thread had its ‘this isn’t really ok is it’ moment of introspection. Again we’ve all come along way in the last twenty years. I’ve absolutely no doubt I posted some things on the old place that would absolutely mortify me now. |
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 20, 2023 8:59:38 GMT
Even in the latter days of the Old Place, whenever someone bumped a really old thread the earlier posts were often awful and cringe worthy.
Let's face it, a lot of the us older farts were exactly the demographic that nuts/zoo/loaded were targeted at.
Fairly sure Craigy, in a brief appearance here, said the forum was in no part binned because the image that Roger Reedpop wanted to project. And the forum very much wasn't It.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 20, 2023 9:33:01 GMT
Well the comments section regularly covers itself in glory so Roger really bought himself a great community there.
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Post by kal on Sept 20, 2023 9:42:32 GMT
I was going to say, the forum had its moments but the really nasty stuff was in the comments. They kept by far the worst bit.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 20, 2023 9:45:14 GMT
There were also several cringey, ecosse led 'redheads you fancy' pervert threads, too.
And the delightful habit of chasing off any woman who posted by being absolute freaks.
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Post by rhaegyr on Sept 20, 2023 9:59:20 GMT
Christ, the Diana Vickers thread.
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Post by simple on Sept 20, 2023 10:01:15 GMT
Wasn’t there a thing about that girl from the X-Factor really too recently for me to tell if it was ironic or not
Edit - that’s the one rhaegyr beat me to it
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