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Post by Tomo on Sept 2, 2024 7:09:45 GMT
I'm convinced that Prometheus changed between "being an Alien film" to "not being an alien film" several times during its development. It's the only explanation that makes sense. I wouldn't be surprised if there were debates about that during its *marketing* after the photography had wound up. It just feels so disjointed and forced. Agree it would have worked better as a standalone IP, but they probably counted on the brand recognition being better for ticket sales. It _was_ marketed as a non-Alien film, right up until very close to release if memory serves. Ridley Scott was asked repeatedly if it was an Alien film and he kept denying it or saying it was in the universe etc, but not an Alien film. www.theguardian.com/film/2011/jan/17/alien-prequel-ridley-scott-prometheus
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Post by simple on Sept 2, 2024 7:18:12 GMT
I've said it before, but it surprises me just how much people seem to hate Prometheus. I understand not particularly liking it, but people act like it's personally offended them or something. Is it really *that* bad? Maybe it's just the effect the internet has? (also feel free to ignore this post if it is going to cause excessive discourse) I think its probably a case of general dislike at it doing something people didn’t want (xeno origin) in a way they disagreed with (David/it not being a straight Alien movie) - then that sentiment being fermented and hothoused by the internet into massive hatred. The focus on nitpicky and easily explainable points probably points to that as people are trying to find additional reasons to justify their reaction. Eg “why do they run in a straight line from the rolling skyscaper of death having only seconds earlier survived a starship exploding and an escape pod crash, they’re so f’ing dumb” - probably because they’re scared and confused.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2024 7:46:55 GMT
I think it would be a fun experiment to write a horror movie where all characters behave intelligently and sensibly at all times, make all the correct decisions, and then the movie just ends with nothing happening at all.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2024 7:49:50 GMT
"You shouldn't have all these people on the beach, Mayor Vaughan! There's a really big shark out there and it could kill someone!"
"Oh fuck, yeah, that's super dangerous! Let's clear everyone out and get the coast guard to come in and find this thing with sonar or something."
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Post by Tomo on Sept 2, 2024 8:01:07 GMT
It's an interesting thought.
Which horror film(s) _does_ have the most plausible characters?
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2024 8:02:12 GMT
Wendy just leaves Jack Torrence alone to write his novel and takes her kid out skiing.
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Post by simple on Sept 2, 2024 8:03:46 GMT
The characters in Alien and The Thing react pretty rationally considering their circumstances.
The plan in Romero’s Dawn of the Dead is quite logical, and is working, until outsiders show up and wreck things.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 2, 2024 8:15:04 GMT
New Life (Netflix) - Penny off Lost follows around a girl on the run from the law who is leaving zombies in her wake.
Probably the most Covid Era movie yet in terms of themes and all of the actors are very socially distanced. There is very rarely more than one person on screen at a time and 90% of the main characters just speak on the phone.
But, yeah, it’s not bad. It’s very, very low budget but makes the most of it.
6/10
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Post by mrpon on Sept 2, 2024 8:24:13 GMT
Iron Claw (Prime)
Zac (Maniac Cop jaw) wrestles with his brothers. Had no idea about this true story, plenty of oooof moments.
Was alright, he reminded me of Lou Ferrigno. Same barnet as well.
6/10
PS: Laughed when the 6ft 2" infographic appeared. Yeah right!
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Post by baihu1983 on Sept 2, 2024 8:38:02 GMT
Waiting on someone to have to review The Crow.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2024 8:40:19 GMT
I haven't seen it, but my magic 8 ball tells me it's rubbish.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Sept 2, 2024 8:57:26 GMT
A movie where everyone behaves sensibly wouldn't be very realistic, because most people are idiots.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Sept 2, 2024 9:19:35 GMT
The characters in Alien and The Thing react pretty rationally considering their circumstances. The plan in Romero’s Dawn of the Dead is quite logical, and is working, until outsiders show up and wreck things. See, the sensible thing to do in Alien would be to not go out into space. Don't go to space, people! It doesn't want you there!
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 2, 2024 9:24:35 GMT
Scream 4 - 9.5/10 Never seen this one before and it’s absolutely brilliant. Both me and my eldest had no idea who the killer was and the final act is a scathing premonition for the current social media fucked up world we live in. Even my daughter caught on to the social commentary. Not sure why this is the least thought of movie as it’s easily the 2nd best movie after the first one. Scream V next 😊 I'm guessing it's because it came so long after the others, and because not many people watched it compared to the original trilogy. I still can't remember if I've watched it, but I'm leaning towards a no. I think I just assumed it'd be a bit rubbish. I think I'll have to go back and watch Scream 3 as I don't remember much about that one, and then move on from there. Scream 3 is really goofy but also a lot of fun and wraps up the trilogy well. The worst thing about it is Gail Weathers haircut. Scream 4 is just a great movie, a reboot done perfectly with really good social commentary and it pretty much rivals the first one IMO. It should have done a lot better, but the timing was obviously wrong. Also I think it may have been Wes cravens last directed movie. Get them both watched :-)
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Post by Jambowayoh on Sept 2, 2024 10:01:56 GMT
I think it would be a fun experiment to write a horror movie where all characters behave intelligently and sensibly at all times, make all the correct decisions, and then the movie just ends with nothing happening at all. Being serious for a minute it's not people being sensible that I want it's more people's actions being consistent with their character's motivations which I found with something like Prometheus just absolutely infuriating. I had it with Romulus too but in its defence the characters had about 1 sentence of background for their characters so it was hard to even judge if their actions were out of character.
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Post by Duffking on Sept 2, 2024 11:33:42 GMT
I've said it before, but it surprises me just how much people seem to hate Prometheus. I understand not particularly liking it, but people act like it's personally offended them or something. Is it really *that* bad? Maybe it's just the effect the internet has? (also feel free to ignore this post if it is going to cause excessive discourse) I think its probably a case of general dislike at it doing something people didn’t want (xeno origin) in a way they disagreed with (David/it not being a straight Alien movie) - then that sentiment being fermented and hothoused by the internet into massive hatred. The focus on nitpicky and easily explainable points probably points to that as people are trying to find additional reasons to justify their reaction. Eg “why do they run in a straight line from the rolling skyscaper of death having only seconds earlier survived a starship exploding and an escape pod crash, they’re so f’ing dumb” - probably because they’re scared and confused. I think bringing up the "why don't they run sideways" thing is kind of along the lines of that "this bitch is eating crackers" thing, whereby the film has been so continually dumb at that point it's hard not to nitpick the dumbness.
The moment that does it for me is when the two super-genius scientists manage to get lost in an underground cave system despite having been shown to have a magical computer hologram map that can pinpoint their exact location, in part because one of them is incredibly fearful and nervous, but then they stumble into the "egg" room and he completely forgets he's a big wuss who's scared of everything and is like "ooooh lookit the cute murder penis snake thing aww" and dies.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 2, 2024 11:55:34 GMT
Trigger Warning - Jack Reacher meets Road House with Jessica Alba doing the very unconvincing fight scenes. Nearly 2hrs long despite containing 20 minutes worth of plot.
3/10
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Post by mrpon on Sept 2, 2024 12:05:43 GMT
Waiting on someone to have to review The Crow. I'm betting on Bongo, for some reason.
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Post by rawshark on Sept 2, 2024 12:10:05 GMT
Re: sensible horror characters- Barbarian did have some very relatable moments.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Sept 2, 2024 12:11:38 GMT
Only when it drops to Netflix or something. I’m not paying for it. I’ve got not-covid so I’m working my way through some proper drivel at the moment.
I started watching three hour Bollywood sci-fi epic, Kalki but that was genuinely unbearable
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Post by rawshark on Sept 2, 2024 12:13:41 GMT
I remember trying to make it through The Crow 2 several times. Never managed it. Thats probably not good sign for ever seeing the Crowboot.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 2, 2024 12:20:13 GMT
Only when it drops to Netflix or something. I’m not paying for it. I’ve got not-covid so I’m working my way through some proper drivel at the moment. I started watching three hour Bollywood sci-fi epic, Kalki but that was genuinely unbearable I've done that with countless Korean sci fi / horror movies & shows on Netflix, can never get through more than 30 mins... Apart from the Squid game (obviously) & Hellbound which I loved.
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 2, 2024 12:21:00 GMT
Scream 3 has aged well. It's not the strongest of the series, but it's a better watch now than Scream 2, which is just a lazy retread of the first. At the time the hype of the original film was still raging, so Scream 2 benefited from that. Without the hype, it's a bit lame.
Scream 3 was badly received at the time. It is a bit goofy (Carey Fisher playing someone called Carey Fisher who keeps getting mistaken for Carey Fisher the actor), and I think that worked against it, despite the series always being a *bit* silly really. It's aged better though as it stands on its own without leaning on the first.
Scream 4 really was a timing issue. Scream 3 had soured people's view of the franchise, and they were getting a little bit bored of it by that point and it hadn't been long enough from the previous films for it to seem interesting again. Which is a shame, because it's really a good film.
By the time time Scream 5 (sorry, "Scream") came out, it was long enough ago that it was a proper reboot of a retro IP that point, so it had an entirely new angle. 6 was to 5 what 2 was to 1, trailing off the hype but too close to really be anything worth getting excited about.
So.....
1, 4, 3, 5, 6, 2 in descenting order of awesomeness. Though I'm not sure about 5 and 3.
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Post by Whizzo on Sept 2, 2024 12:21:32 GMT
Waiting on someone to have to review The Crow. I didn't like the original when I saw it at release, even with Cineworld Unlimited I'm not going to waste my time with a worse remake.
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Post by clemfandango on Sept 2, 2024 12:23:36 GMT
Scream 3 has aged well. It's not the strongest of the series, but it's a better watch now than Scream 2, which is just a lazy retread of the first. At the time the hype of the original film was still raging, so Scream 2 benefited from that. Without the hype, it's a bit lame. Scream 3 was badly received at the time. It is a bit goofy (Carey Fisher playing someone called Carey Fisher who keeps getting mistaken for Carey Fisher the actor), and I think that worked against it, despite the series always being a *bit* silly really. It's aged better though as it stands on its own without leaning on the first. Scream 4 really was a timing issue. Scream 3 had soured people's view of the franchise, and they were getting a little bit bored of it by that point and it hadn't been long enough from the previous films for it to seem interesting again. Which is a shame, because it's really a good film. By the time time Scream 5 (sorry, "Scream") came out, it was long enough ago that it was a proper reboot of a retro IP that point, so it had an entirely new angle. 6 was to 5 what 2 was to 1, trailing off the hype but too close to really be anything worth getting excited about. So..... 1, 4, 3, 5, 6, 2 in descenting order of awesomeness. Though I'm not sure about 5 and 3. That's a good take, but I really enjoyed scream 2, I suppose the stacked cast had a lot to do with it. Scream 4 really is brilliant though.
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Post by Chopsen on Sept 2, 2024 12:29:09 GMT
Yeah, I might be a bit overly harsh on it there, but *someone* has to come last.
But it does have Buffy the Vampire Slayer in it, so maybe swap 2 and 6.
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Post by simple on Sept 2, 2024 13:01:40 GMT
I remember trying to make it through The Crow 2 several times. Never managed it. Thats probably not good sign for ever seeing the Crowboot. Even I wouldn’t do a full Crow series watch
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Post by quadfather on Sept 2, 2024 13:09:15 GMT
Thx 1138
It still weirds me out, this film. I haven't watched it for a very long time either. Long enough to miss remember bits.
8/10
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Post by zisssou on Sept 2, 2024 13:10:30 GMT
I remember trying to make it through The Crow 2 several times. Never managed it. Thats probably not good sign for ever seeing the Crowboot. Even I wouldn’t do a full Crow series watch Not even the Edward Furlong Crow?
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Post by simple on Sept 2, 2024 13:12:14 GMT
I think its probably a case of general dislike at it doing something people didn’t want (xeno origin) in a way they disagreed with (David/it not being a straight Alien movie) - then that sentiment being fermented and hothoused by the internet into massive hatred. The focus on nitpicky and easily explainable points probably points to that as people are trying to find additional reasons to justify their reaction. Eg “why do they run in a straight line from the rolling skyscaper of death having only seconds earlier survived a starship exploding and an escape pod crash, they’re so f’ing dumb” - probably because they’re scared and confused. I think bringing up the "why don't they run sideways" thing is kind of along the lines of that "this bitch is eating crackers" thing, whereby the film has been so continually dumb at that point it's hard not to nitpick the dumbness.
The moment that does it for me is when the two super-genius scientists manage to get lost in an underground cave system despite having been shown to have a magical computer hologram map that can pinpoint their exact location, in part because one of them is incredibly fearful and nervous, but then they stumble into the "egg" room and he completely forgets he's a big wuss who's scared of everything and is like "ooooh lookit the cute murder penis snake thing aww" and dies.
Those two scientists being the geologist who did the mapping and the biologist who was scared of an engineer corpse makes them getting in that situation particularly foolish. Although in defence of Sean Harris’s character he was consistently a sceptical coward in basically all his screen time so running away made sense anyway. Ralf Spall’s character was probably too busy getting his head around his American accent to think clearly when that penis popped up to see him.
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