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Post by otto on Jun 18, 2024 7:12:55 GMT
The shitty weather is localised, global box office isn't...
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 18, 2024 7:14:57 GMT
There was If as well so there’s no shortage of ok animated films that have been out recently.
I don’t think anyone knows why some things are performing really well and others are doing badly. Who though a poor Garfield film would do as well as it has? There wasn’t much interest in the last couple of them.
Doubt it’s the weather too as the weather here is different to USA…
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 18, 2024 7:33:55 GMT
I prefer Moana to Inside Out and for a long while Moana was the only film my son would watch. I know children won’t care but I do worry that a sequel will do what Frozen 2 did and take a fun adventure with excellent songs and turn it into an overlong lore dump. Me too. Although my daughter insists Frozen 2 was better than Frozen 1, so it seemed to land with at least part of the target audience. I can see Moana 2 doing big numbers. Either that or being a big flop. *shrug* I wonder if the lack of 3 kid-size Marvel movies this year means that there's space for other kid/family movies to go big? I still don't get why some like Ruby Gillman did poorly, and then other similar looking ones did much better.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 18, 2024 7:49:22 GMT
Ruby Gillman might have just had the wrong artistic direction. They’re teenagers, who look like aliens, but are actually sea monsters…
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Post by hicksy on Jun 18, 2024 8:15:26 GMT
Outside In.
The story of a teenage criminal.
Featuring hits songs including “Why did I steal that pair of Nikes”.
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Post by britesparc on Jun 18, 2024 8:20:06 GMT
Well, I'd say we're still in very weird waters with global box office. I'd argue that every really big studio movie this year has been - financially speaking - somewhere between disappointing (Furiosa, Fall Guy, IF) and OK (Apes, Bad Boys, Garfield), with the exceptions of Dune Part 2 and now Inside Out, which are the only proper hits.
I do think that DM4, Moana, and Deadpool will be huge; I think Twisters will either flop or go massive. Other than that, who knows? I can't predict anything anymore.
Perhaps if all the blockbusters are disappointing audiences, when Marvel comes back next year people will rush to the cinema once more, starved of their superheroes, and all the op-ed writers will have to think of a new take?
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Post by rawshark on Jun 18, 2024 9:24:26 GMT
I think Garfield doing well is another sign of there being a dearth of family films. That's a half term, shitty weather, desperation movie if ever there was one.
Did IF not perform well? It was promoted like crazy.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Jun 18, 2024 9:48:33 GMT
The problem, I think, is that its not one just thing so they are always trying to hit a moving target. The 'I'll wait for streaming' threshold is low because prices are so high, people are sick of being served up the same recycled shit but don't tend to spend money watching new things, people get excited for the right new thing and it snowballs so a load of cash in content is rushed out and people instantly get sick of it and every so often there has been such a dearth of releases people flock to something like Garfield.
And IF flopped, I hope, because imaginary friends are all human. No kid imagines a weird purple monster.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 18, 2024 10:00:50 GMT
It was no Drop Dead Fred.
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Post by britesparc on Jun 18, 2024 11:51:57 GMT
IF's made, I think, under $200m worldwide so far, which might not be catastrophic but would certainly be less than they'd hoped.
Yeah, there are a million reasons really why the box office is wobbly. It looks like we're only going to get a couple of breakout hits every year but it seems almost impossible to predict what they'll be. If Garfield had made a billion and Inside Out flopped, I don't think I'd have found that surprising.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 18, 2024 12:20:19 GMT
I think Garfield doing well is another sign of there being a dearth of family films. That's a half term, shitty weather, desperation movie if ever there was one. Did IF not perform well? It was promoted like crazy. The reason we always end up going retro with the kids (this weekend it was Space Camp, which entirely passed me by but has a great cast) is because they genuinely don't make fun family films that aren't animated these days. Ghostbusters reboots are about all I can think of. Am I missing loads or something?
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Post by drhickman1983 on Jun 18, 2024 12:23:49 GMT
I guess you still get things like Paddington, and there's some stuff released on streaming services that would be aimed at families - Haunted Mansion on Disney, for example. Though that wasn't a great film so maybe not a good example.
There do seem to be fewer these days though.
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Post by Vandelay on Jun 18, 2024 12:27:23 GMT
The Paddington films (even if the main character is CGI), as well as Wonka from the same writer/director.
Certainly nowhere near as common as during the 80s/90s.
Edit - the dinosaur doc beat me to it.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 18, 2024 12:27:45 GMT
Ah yes, Paddington and Peter Rabbits I guess. Slim pickings though imo.
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Post by britesparc on Jun 18, 2024 12:32:08 GMT
I think if you exclude "CGI character interacting with humans" - which also includes the Sonic movies - the last kid-focused "adventure" film I remember is The Adam Project, which definitely skews younger than your average MCU film but is still maybe a bit edgier than some.
Paramount and Disney are still putting stuff out on their streamers but I think the quality may be variable.
Going back a bit, The Kid Who Would Be King is meant to be good but I've not seen it.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 18, 2024 12:56:32 GMT
I think Garfield doing well is another sign of there being a dearth of family films. That's a half term, shitty weather, desperation movie if ever there was one. Did IF not perform well? It was promoted like crazy. The reason we always end up going retro with the kids (this weekend it was Space Camp, which entirely passed me by but has a great cast) is because they genuinely don't make fun family films that aren't animated these days. Ghostbusters reboots are about all I can think of. Am I missing loads or something? It’s a good point. Am having a think but we’re going back to The Parent Trap here… things like High School Musical tend to go to streaming now…
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Post by rawshark on Jun 18, 2024 12:57:43 GMT
I was going to mention The Kid Who Would Be King but that was famously a bomb. Maybe they just don’t move tickets anymore.
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Post by Trowel 🏴 on Jun 18, 2024 13:00:51 GMT
Going back a bit, The Kid Who Would Be King is meant to be good but I've not seen it. Caught that on C4 a few months back, it's really good - some great big name cameos, and the kids in the lead roles are really good actors - Angus Imrie should be better known than just The Archers.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 18, 2024 13:32:15 GMT
It's similarly hard to find kids TV shows that aren't animated, and mostly 3d at that. There are a handful, but it seems pretty rare.
(Of course, in Japan there don't seem to be *any*. Anime or nothing.)
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Post by britesparc on Jun 18, 2024 14:21:27 GMT
Do you mean specifically kids' shows, like So Awkward on CBBC, or live-action family shows like A Series of Unfortunate Events on Netflix?
The former I think still exist - the BBC make quite a few, and you have those US kid-sitcoms - but the latter are rarer. Usually you get whatever "family" show you can bracket everything from Doctor Who to His Dark Materials to the Star Wars shows into.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Jun 18, 2024 14:54:32 GMT
I meant more like the former. CBBC is great, but they're kinda the outlier and my kids have already pretty much rinsed those. (Multiple times. Argh!) I assume Nick is still making some, but those are all kinda tween sitcoms as you say. Amazon or Apple will produce one or two (Just Add Magic, Life By Ella, etc..) but they're so few and far between that they don't really justify the subscription.
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Post by Dougs on Jun 18, 2024 14:57:34 GMT
Yeah, I was mulling that over - maybe most have just become tv series instead. It's a shame though - how else are kids going to look back in 30 years and point out budding actors as children? (Kieran Caulkin a case in point at the moment)
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Post by simple on Jun 18, 2024 15:47:42 GMT
In my experience CBBC/CBeebies is basically the only place putting the effort into live action kids stuff. Certainly for younger children like mine.
Unfortunately infinite money printing shite like Cocomelon, Paw Patrol etc have absolutely destroyed the need to put in any work on making good kids stuff.
Bluey is an outlier obviously but that’s the Aussie state broadcaster working with BBC Worldwide and distributed in part by Disney which is a real planetary alignment of good fortune by the looks of it.
But yeah, if you want real people in your kids stuff without it being Paddington its CBBC time.
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Post by britesparc on Jun 18, 2024 16:05:04 GMT
Having worked mostly in children's TV across the last two decades, the BBC are in many ways the only game in town when it comes to what we in the UK think of as "kids' TV".
I'm not denigrating US (or elsewhere) kids' TV, but the sort of shows that we as a nation produced for about 40-50 years have all gone away, apart from the BBC.
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Post by otto on Jun 18, 2024 16:17:05 GMT
Hmm. I saw a documentary about the BBC’s children’s television department in the 70s and 80s, and how little investment there was, meaning they had to buy in a lot of content from central and eastern Europe and dub it into English. I remember watching them at the time. I think people look at the BBC’s past through rose tinted specs to a degree. Rentaghost wasn’t the peak of British soft power.
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Post by simple on Jun 18, 2024 17:29:33 GMT
You can tell there’s been production budget cuts even just in my son’s lifetime as a Cbeebies viewer. Lots of reruns, as was always the way, but a couple of summers ago there was a load of imports and buy-ins of foreign made cgi guff that’s stuck around stinking the place up.
People like to take the piss out of Mr Tumble or whatever but Something Special is a show populated exclusively by disabled children and giving them a voice. You’d never get that outside the BBC.
But overall its so much richer than when CITV would show 40 episodes of Mr Bean in a row or whatever migraine the Pop channels are showing. I’m not a big fan of streaming during his tv time either as it lends itself to bingeing and being served hundreds of variations on the same theme. Much prefer having live tv and the chance he’ll get a broader diet of stuff.
I did like Makeaway Takeaway or whatever it was called on CITV too but it was a little old for him at the time and now CITV has been turned off.
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Post by technoish on Jun 18, 2024 17:31:47 GMT
It's Andy's adventures or nowt!
My totally non judgemental question would be tho, how much TV do they need?
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Post by Reviewer on Jun 18, 2024 17:35:03 GMT
There are a couple of fairly decent things on Apple TV, mostly Jim Henson things. Netflix has a couple like Izzy’s Koala World and a couple of science shows. There’s not a lot though, although I don’t remember many as a kid that I enjoyed.
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Post by rawshark on Jun 18, 2024 17:48:05 GMT
We’ll always have Knightmare.
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Post by simple on Jun 18, 2024 17:53:16 GMT
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