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Post by kal on Dec 17, 2023 11:53:09 GMT
Both my kids have really struggled to watch the Wilder one even approaching teenagerdom. It’s tonally very unsettling.
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Post by geefe on Dec 17, 2023 11:55:40 GMT
"Help, police, murder" is my go to "I don't care" response to people
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 17, 2023 12:12:49 GMT
We watched it again yesterday, same as everyone else by the sounds of it and it’s always the tunnel bit that gets me. Regardless of the imagery, it’s the speech that cements the fact that he is just fucking with them for fun and it’s basically Jigsaw and The Chocolate Factory.
It’s odd and maybe accidentally quite insightful of Dahl that it’s more of a survival horror than a tale of a boy done good. Maybe that’s why he didn’t like it.
My daughter really likes it, more than the Depp one but I think she has always dug the vibe of it just being mean and weird.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 17, 2023 12:26:32 GMT
Saving Private Ryan
It must be a good twenty years since I saw this, but it happened to be on telly last night.
I'd forgotten how good it is. Sure, there's some schmaltzy stuff that has probably got worse with age, but it's also incredibly brutal, visceral and nasty, in an incredibly well done way. It looks amazing, the effects are top notch, still, and the professionalism within the structure of the battles, the way they're filmed and conveyed on screen is superb. Top tier film making. I feel like I must have watched a censored version on TV all those years ago as I don't recall it being quite as injury laden as this.
All Quiet on the Western Front got a load of praise last year for kind of doing a lot of what Saving Private Ryan has already done. That's not a knock on QotWF, as I thought that was excellent, too. More a compliment to SPR, as I feel like it's been slept on a little as time has gone on (though obviously that could just be me).
Just extremely impressive film making. 9 out of 10.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Dec 17, 2023 12:59:27 GMT
We watched it again yesterday, same as everyone else by the sounds of it and it’s always the tunnel bit that gets me. Regardless of the imagery, it’s the speech that cements the fact that he is just fucking with them for fun and it’s basically Jigsaw and The Chocolate Factory. It’s odd and maybe accidentally quite insightful of Dahl that it’s more of a survival horror than a tale of a boy done good. Maybe that’s why he didn’t like it. My daughter really likes it, more than the Depp one but I think she has always dug the vibe of it just being mean and weird. There aren't many other kids movies that feature a chicken being decapitated.
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Post by geefe on Dec 17, 2023 13:22:18 GMT
The dude just looking for his arm in Private Ryan always gets me
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Post by kal on Dec 17, 2023 13:29:49 GMT
The opening of Private Ryan gets all the attention but for me the bridge defence scene at the end is vastly superior. The beginning is really just an assault on your senses and most of its impact is because it’s so graphic, especially at the time when war movies hadn’t previously been like that. Not that it’s not masterful, it’s incredible, but the bridge scene actually has huge narrative weight and you’re far more invested in the characters at that point.
My only criticism of the film aside from it being a bit schmaltzy and a bit ‘waytogo America winning the war’ is that everything apart from the two incredible bookend scenes is a bit forgettable. I must have seen the film at least five times now and I can’t really remember anything that happens in the middle.
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Post by Lukus on Dec 17, 2023 13:38:02 GMT
Yeah, agree with all of that, though there actually isn't a great deal in between the two bookends. They have a moment of calm after the opening, they have the orders to go and find Ryan, they make a little progress through France and encounter a few patrols, XXX gets shot after trying to take someone's kid (ha), then they encounter Ryan and come up with the bridge defense plan.
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Post by Vortex on Dec 17, 2023 13:38:05 GMT
Not even medic man getting paralysed & euthanased? Man, that always makes it get dusty in my house.
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Post by kal on Dec 17, 2023 13:39:13 GMT
Nope. It’s gone.
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Post by rawshark on Dec 17, 2023 14:45:01 GMT
The things that gets me about Wilder Wonka is that everything was fucking real. Yeah whatever the hell the chocolate river was might not have been chocolate but at least it was tangible. It felt like a magical chocolate factory, not a PS2 era video game like the Burton version.
Yeah Dahl hated it but he was a miserable antisemite so who the fuck cares.
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Post by kal on Dec 17, 2023 14:49:04 GMT
On that, there are various theories about antisemitic themes in the book. The original illustrations made the factory look very Auschwitzy, and there’s suggestions that the children all represent facets of Jewishness like being greedy and controlling the media. Charlie is the Aryan ideal. I think you see what you want to see with these things but it’s kinda interesting.
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Post by Whizzo on Dec 17, 2023 15:02:49 GMT
So, Rebel Moon is the idea of Star Wars meets Seven Samurai.
But didn't Mandalorian already do that? And also kinda Rogue One? I'd have said it sound dumb but worth seeing on the big screen, but it doesn't seem like it's getting a wide Big Screen release? So I'm not sure what the point is. Battle Beyond the Stars already did Star Wars meets Seven Samurai of course, it's probably a better film as Roger Corman is a better director than Snyder (he's still alive at 97), it's got John-boy Walton in it and a spaceship with boobs.
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Post by Bongo Heracles on Dec 17, 2023 15:11:14 GMT
The things that gets me about Wilder Wonka is that everything was fucking real. Yeah whatever the hell the chocolate river was mi not have been chocolate but at least it was tangible. It felt like a magical chocolate factory, not a PS2 era video game like the Burton version. I know I keep going on about how wretchedly ugly the new Indiana Jones movie looks but I was watching some BTS footage the other day and, basically, *everything* is green screen. Like the much derided horse scene, the horse is the only real thing. They didn’t just CGI the crowd in, they added the street and all the buildings. Your brain just can’t accept how artificial and weightless it all feels. And, similar with Wonka, the fact the beloved originals are benchmarks of set design and effects works, it suffers hugely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 15:20:29 GMT
The worst I've seen for CGI everything is the Poirot Nile film. Closely followed by the glass Onion. Awful looking films.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Dec 17, 2023 15:50:29 GMT
So, Rebel Moon is the idea of Star Wars meets Seven Samurai.
But didn't Mandalorian already do that? And also kinda Rogue One? I'd have said it sound dumb but worth seeing on the big screen, but it doesn't seem like it's getting a wide Big Screen release? So I'm not sure what the point is. Battle Beyond the Stars already did Star Wars meets Seven Samurai of course, it's probably a better film as Roger Corman is a better director than Snyder (he's still alive at 97), it's got John-boy Walton in it and a spaceship with boobs. With special effects and production design by James Cameron!
(i totally knew this and didn't spend ages just reading about it)
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Post by malek86 on Dec 17, 2023 19:21:25 GMT
We watched it again yesterday, same as everyone else by the sounds of it and it’s always the tunnel bit that gets me. Regardless of the imagery, it’s the speech that cements the fact that he is just fucking with them for fun and it’s basically Jigsaw and The Chocolate Factory. It’s odd and maybe accidentally quite insightful of Dahl that it’s more of a survival horror than a tale of a boy done good. Maybe that’s why he didn’t like it. My daughter really likes it, more than the Depp one but I think she has always dug the vibe of it just being mean and weird. That is indeed the biggest difference between the old movie and the new one. Wonka in the prequel is not at all the same Wonka you see in the original, he's an absolutely idealistic, help-everyone kids cartoon protagonist. They also handwave his chocolate fuckery as him being a kind of stage magician, which I thought was kind of unnecessary since said chocolate fuckery still doesn't make any sense, just like in the original.
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Post by brokenkey on Dec 17, 2023 19:39:45 GMT
Not even medic man getting paralysed & euthanased? Man, that always makes it get dusty in my house. The medic guy isn't euthanised - the resistance to giving him more morphine is that it isn't going to help him, and they might need it for themselves. Imo. The death that put me off watching it for years is the slow knife struggle.
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Post by rawshark on Dec 17, 2023 19:49:47 GMT
Wasn’t that with Chandler’s short-lived crazy roommate?
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Post by Vortex on Dec 17, 2023 19:55:11 GMT
Not even medic man getting paralysed & euthanased? Man, that always makes it get dusty in my house. The medic guy isn't euthanised - They od him to kill him. So he's basically euthanased and yes, it leaves them with none. The slow knife bit is definitely a bit grim. Not as bad as some of the shovel stuff in all quiet, but made worse by journalist man just watching helplessly in horror.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 19:57:24 GMT
I still hate Faraday for his character in SPR.
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Post by geefe on Dec 17, 2023 21:47:53 GMT
Die Hard
I forgot some of the lines in it.
"Mr Takagi will not be joining us for the rest of his life".
11/10
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Post by mikeck on Dec 17, 2023 22:46:32 GMT
Lasted 30 minutes of The 12 Days of Christmas Eve with Kelsey Grammer. Fuck me that was awful, we could not muster the energy to try and finish it.
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Post by simple on Dec 18, 2023 0:49:07 GMT
Managed to get through the first two Home Alones this weekend. Son enjoyed the first so much we’ve watched it twice.
I don’t really have much nostalgia for them despite being more or less the perfect age when they first came out but they’re obviously undeniably quality films. Home Alone 2 is pretty much a spot on example of how to expand on the original premise in a sequel too.
I know we’ve had a wave of 90s revivalism recently but one thing it seemed to overlook has been the heartwarming, actually good, live action family film. I feel like there were so many back then. I suppose these days since the MCU takeover of Hollywood you either need to be a multi-billion dollar franchise or a zero budget indie darling and mid-budget films like these and romcoms just aren’t seen as worth the effort to make regularly anymore.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Dec 18, 2023 1:36:32 GMT
I was looking at the 'family films' section on [some random streaming service] and they were basically *all* pixar-style cgi movies.
Luckily we all keep forcing our kids to watch old stuff!
I was gonna try getting them to watch Hook on a different service, but it had ads every 5 bloody minutes and I couldn't take that.
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Post by Dougs on Dec 18, 2023 6:41:01 GMT
Yeah, we have also watched a lot of 80s and 90s family films for the same reason. They just don't seem to make them anymore. I like animation but don't want them all the time. There's a rich vein of classics that my kids have mostly loved.
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Post by Bill the kidding on Dec 18, 2023 6:53:49 GMT
How is that Nativity one with Martin Freeman that BBC trots out every year?
I'm actually having trouble coming up with Xmas Family films. We've watched Home Alone and Elf several years in a row, and while my faves are Die Hard and Batman Returns, I'm not sure those are sending the exact right message to the kids.
Then stuff like It's a Wonderful Life is just too old for them.
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Post by kal on Dec 18, 2023 7:05:44 GMT
I didn’t realise that Martin Freeman is quite a problematic bloke these days. Racist, sexist etc.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Dec 18, 2023 7:23:57 GMT
Jingle all the way
Actually, maybe not, I genuinely haven't watched it in ages and have nfi if any of it holds up entertainment-wise.
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Post by simple on Dec 18, 2023 7:38:52 GMT
Nativity is surprisingly cute but very much looks like one of those British films that was probably part of a Barlow/Carr tax dodge investment scheme.
I think David Tennant did an ok sequel too.
What’s Freeman done? Wasn’t his ex in trouble for some anti-trans or homophobic comments when she went on Strictly?
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