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Post by Whizzo on Mar 19, 2024 15:37:35 GMT
Volume 3 opening with the track that it does came as a huge surprise, it worked damn well too.
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Post by otto on Mar 19, 2024 16:41:26 GMT
I thank you for this gift sensei
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Post by dfunked on Mar 19, 2024 17:24:14 GMT
Yeah, GotG3 is pretty much the only MCU film since endgame that I'd consider watching again. I'd imagine it's a very nice test of HDR eye candy... I'll have to pop it on this evening now you've mentioned it!
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 19, 2024 19:26:10 GMT
I didn’t get on with GOtG3, something about the genocide/obliteration of a parallel earth with hybrid women, kids, men and all other life forms that had no emotional weight behind it just seemed really off.
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Post by askew on Mar 19, 2024 23:26:29 GMT
The Beasts - 9/10
French couple settle in a Spanish village and get intimidated by the locals, including a scary Luis Zahera.
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Post by simple on Mar 20, 2024 1:04:06 GMT
Fight Club (netflix)
Hated it. I’m sure everyone will disagree with me but I almost didn’t make it to the end. I was never really into it at the time because it seemed like macho nonsense to me but a film podcast I quite like did an episode recently talking about all the stuff they like about it so I gave it another go and I remain not a fan.
Even before you get to the meat of it, it looks like a video for a b-tier nu-metal band. Its got an ugly late-90s/early-00s colour palette across the whole thing. And I get that’s partly a Fincher thing and partly the same issue the Matrix has because its so influential its own original touches appear cliche, but its very dated looking to 2020s eyes. The characters are all annoying try-hards too. There are actors in here who I like and know are good but I just don’t believe in these roles. Again this might be a parody/influence issue but everything everyone says is so tired and one dimensional.
Content-wise, I still think its overly edgelordy only now with the added layer of the awful libertarian internet reddit men who do things like paleo and gamergate having claimed it as their own. The podcast hosts were trying to talk up its left-wing anarchist anti-consumerism credentials but it just feels more like directionless teen nihilism to me, its Woodstock 99 stuff really. Whether by design or because Palahniuk is a total hack, its far closer to the message you mostly hear now those weird far-right individualist anarcho-primitivist types and Musk-stans who incorrectly think they’d survive more than a day with essential services turned off.
At my most generous I guess I could say maybe its a satire that fails by being so close to what its lampooning that it becomes that thing but I don’t think that’s the case. If you want something about rejecting societal expectations there are plenty of films from earlier in the 90s that do it with a far more genuine feeling and fun than this. They might not be as zeitgeisty or have the lasting influence but they’re probably healthier.
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Post by 😎 on Mar 20, 2024 1:41:46 GMT
It is a satire. It’s, no joke, a romantic comedy by way of fascism-as-masculinity. Or at least the novel is. The movie (which I still really like) did fall into that fun gap of being wildly misunderstood and ironically now does look like a promotion of themes that it’s actually vehemently rejecting (ie Tyler Durden is a misogynistic douchebag who no one should aspire to be). In that respect it has not aged well.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 20, 2024 2:44:06 GMT
The Tyler performance has to strike a weird balance. In that, yes, he is a misogynistic douchebag piece of shit. But he also has to be cool and charismatic, because people wouldn't get pulled into his orbit otherwise.
And the coolness, unfortunately, worked for the audience too. So you get all these people seeing it and thinking that Tyler is meant to be the hero, instead of a toxic quasi-cult leader.
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Post by 😎 on Mar 20, 2024 3:00:44 GMT
And to make this nicely topical, see also: Dune.
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Post by Lizard on Mar 20, 2024 3:34:44 GMT
And Gremmi
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Post by simple on Mar 20, 2024 9:10:17 GMT
The Tyler performance has to strike a weird balance. In that, yes, he is a misogynistic douchebag piece of shit. But he also has to be cool and charismatic, because people wouldn't get pulled into his orbit otherwise. And the coolness, unfortunately, worked for the audience too. So you get all these people seeing it and thinking that Tyler is meant to be the hero, instead of a toxic quasi-cult leader. He’s basically Andrew Tate but for frat boys instead of 13 yr old incels.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 20, 2024 9:26:01 GMT
I didn’t get on with GOtG3, something about the genocide/obliteration of a parallel earth with hybrid women, kids, men and all other life forms that had no emotional weight behind it just seemed really off. I know where you're coming from, and after your post I did think on that for a bit. One common problem that superhero films have nowadays is they want to demonstrate amazing power but with the law of diminishing returns each scene of mass destruction means less and less. What I would say is that the obliteration aspect has becoe something of a trope in the sci-fi/fantasy genre now. It's used more as a device to demonstrate how eeeeeeeevil the baddy is rather than our thoughts being with those who get destroyed. You could say the same exact thing about the destruction of Alderan in A New Hope and even more so in the destruction of I-don't-even-know-what-planets in The Force Awakens. Maybe rather than being used as a device it should be the end result... as per Watchmen and the Thanos Snap, which both carried a bit more weight (albeit predictably reversable in the latter's case). Totally different film, but the allegory is used really well in the first act of Boxtrolls... and that's a film I wish more people would see.
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Post by retro74 on Mar 20, 2024 10:58:11 GMT
I won’t be disagreeing with you on Fight Club simple as it’s my most hated movie. I thought it was absolutely garbage at the time it came out and I’ve not watched it since The thing I found odd was that the other 4 people I watched it with also thought it was rubbish, then reviews starting coming in and it turned out to be a critical darling, we were like ‘huh? What’s going on here?’ It’s been so long since I watched it but I seem to remember that it has a Pixies song on the soundtrack - the only redeeming element in the whole mess Strangely enough Se7en is one of my favourite movies
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Post by rawshark on Mar 20, 2024 11:41:30 GMT
Yep. Right at the end. To be fair it's a memorable ending.
I haven't seen it in a while so no idea how it holds up. I vaguely remember critics giving it a bit of a booting at the time as well, though. I think it was a bigger hit with audiences than in the papers (and glancing at the RT scores that seems about right).
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 20, 2024 11:54:24 GMT
Drive-Away Dolls - at a very quiet cinema
Ethan Coen collaborates with his queer wife Tricia Cooke to do a road trip movie featuring two lesbian friends who want to get away from Philadelphia and take a drive-away car to Tallahassee they shouldn't have as there's something in the trunk that someone else was supposed to drive to the exact same place (holy coincidences Batman).
So it's okay, nothing more than that, I certainly didn't hate it as much as Mark Kermode in his review but seriously wonder how it managed to get 4 stars from Empire.
Margaret Qualley's Jamie is so fucking irritating for most of the runtime that I really wish that the two incompetent henchmen chasing them would catch up and put her out of our misery. There's some occasional funny stuff in there and it is fortunately only 84 minutes but at times it really feels longer, the psychedelic sequences feel completely out of place for a film set in 1999 but it makes some sense towards the end.
The MacGuffin is fucking awful when the payoff comes and I do wonder how Coen/Cooke thought it was a good idea to have such a fucking ridiculous thing as the reason people get killed. Mindboggling.
So if you watched the trailer and thought "hey this could be fun", like I did, you're going to be mostly mistaken.
Didn't hate it, wouldn't recommend it but did at least learn a little amount of lesbian life in the US.
Also it was completely obvious that it was only set in 1999 to make it reasonable that two late twenty somethings would exist in America without a cell phone, the period has zero impact on the plot other than a perfunctory Y2K mention near the start.
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Post by Whizzo on Mar 20, 2024 11:56:12 GMT
In other news I loved Fight Club and the movie is better than the book, which I also loved.
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Post by Bill in the rain on Mar 20, 2024 13:46:06 GMT
I also love Fight Club. Watched it again quite recently and thought it still really held up.
The first time you watch it you think you know where it's going, but it keeps pulling the rug out from under you and keeps getting darker and more twisted. But on re-watching there are lots of nicely done moments that hint at what's going on. Plus Norton does a really good job at changing as his character grows in confidence.
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Post by peacemaker on Mar 20, 2024 13:52:31 GMT
In other news I loved Fight Club and the movie is better than the book, which I also loved. Agreed and my review of run away dolls would also be the same.
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Post by loto on Mar 20, 2024 13:54:41 GMT
Whizzo - thanks. My Mrs fancied Drive away, but I thought it looked shite. I’ll persuade her Civil War is our next cinema visit
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Post by dfunked on Mar 20, 2024 17:46:35 GMT
Margaret Qualley's Jamie is so fucking irritating for most of the runtime that I really wish that the two incompetent henchmen chasing them would catch up and put her out of our misery. She really is fucking awful. She was decent in Death Stranding, so presumably just being directed to be as annoying as humanly possible in this. It really was painfully average.
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Post by 😎 on Mar 20, 2024 20:11:21 GMT
My favorite piece of Fight Club trivia is that the literary agent who made Chuck Palahniuk famous and negotiated a screenplay everyone thought was unfilmable into a major studio release is also the guy who played Gil Chesterton in Frasier.
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Post by Chopsen on Mar 20, 2024 23:41:50 GMT
My issue with Fight Club is that the execution is nowhere near as good as the ideas and themes it explores. I thought it a muddled and clumsy rather than twisty turny. It came out when "lad" culture was at its peak, so it's hardly surprising the satire went past some people. It was undoubtedly prescient tho, with the rise of the toxic masculinity incel Tate gurusphere and the like.
It's a film I've been meaning to go back to for a few years to see how it all held up because of that, but I really found it a bit just...not fun the first time round.
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Post by rawshark on Mar 21, 2024 0:24:03 GMT
My favorite piece of Fight Club trivia is that the literary agent who made Chuck Palahniuk famous and negotiated a screenplay everyone thought was unfilmable into a major studio release is also the guy who played Gil Chesterton in Frasier. That is amazing. And also explains why Edward Norton didn’t die when he shot himself in the mouth… “Only grazed me!”
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Post by oldschoolsavant on Mar 21, 2024 0:44:55 GMT
Dream Scenario - 8/10 Nic Cage does Nic Cage, as an average nobody uni lecturer, who starts popping up in dreams. Everybody's dreams. Equal amounts of cringe, funny and satire on modern zeitgeist stuffs. Quite enjoyable. Zone of Interest - 10/10 Haunting. Disturbing. Beautiful in it's themes, and so many overlayed things to discuss. Should be on any history curriculum from here on out. The pitch black 'chamber' opening, the dissonance/unsettled feeling it causes over a few minutes to the blatant ignorance thereafter for years, and that fucking sound design throughout, the effects on the children, the mother's realisation, and the chef's kiss of the modern day cleaners. Poor Things - 9/10 Really enjoyed this, the gradual wtf to begin, clearing into a solid tale, and both Blunt and Ruffalo are fantastic. Loved the design of the alt-world, and some of the lines will be popping up as quotables in years to come. Killers of the Flower Moon - tbf/10 90mins in, and I'm struggling. Save part 2 for tommorrow, but it's too full of colour, flavour and scene setting for what is quite an obvious tale, and I'm just wishing it'd hurry up and make me care. The two Di's are fine, Caprio playing dumb, Nero playing bad, but I've seen these performances before. Overindulgent sums it up thus.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 21, 2024 5:22:50 GMT
Of all the movies i saw last year, I think the negative reaction to Killers of the Flower Moon surprised me the most. Personally I think I even liked it a little more than Oppenheimer.
Maybe seeing it in a cinema helped? I dunno.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 21, 2024 5:24:09 GMT
Like, Wolf of Wall Street was also 11 hours long, and nobody complained about that.
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Post by Vandelay on Mar 21, 2024 7:41:19 GMT
I liked it. I didn't think it was perfect, but certainly far from bad and one of Scorsese's better later life films (certainly liked it a lot more than Wolf). I wouldn't rate it as high as Oppenheimer, but I feel it deserved to be mentioned within the conversation of best films of last year, albeit I don't think it is really in contention. It is the one I would have replaced with All of Us Strangers on the Oscar nomination list.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 21, 2024 12:14:26 GMT
Road House (the new one)
Well, that was shit. Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
I mean, the original Road House was kind of shit too, but in a funny kind of way. It had lines like
"I used to FUCK guys like you in prison"
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"I see you found my trophy room, Dalton... the only thing that's missing is YOUR ASS"
This has a bit of humour, but mostly it takes itself too seriously. The story is bad, the characters are bad, the dialogue is bad, the acting is bad, the romance is bad. I've nfi what Conor McGregor is trying to do, but he is bad also.
And the fights are bad! Why are the fights bad? Nobody's throat gets ripped out! You had one job, director of Road House! One job!
Woof, what a stinker
3/10 (it gets a couple of points for Gyllenhaal being occasionally funny)
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Post by askew on Mar 21, 2024 13:03:33 GMT
Oh no! I’d just watch listed it last night in anticipation!
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Post by simple on Mar 21, 2024 13:58:59 GMT
The new Road House is giving me a massive Mandela Effect because I’m positive I remember Ronda Rousey being Dalton in a version of it around the time she first joined WWE
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