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Post by otto on Feb 29, 2024 6:40:22 GMT
And it's clearly conceived as the middle part of a trilogy. Yes you’re right, I think that’s what left the audience slightly bemused at the end. Looking forward to the plot discussion when enough people have seen it.
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Post by otto on Feb 29, 2024 6:52:40 GMT
I think I’ve worked out where my main grievance with Dune Part 2 lies:
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There are a couple of other related problems but I’ll wait.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Feb 29, 2024 7:38:27 GMT
I think I’ve worked out where my main grievance with Dune Part 2 lies: Alia not being born yet, and not being the one who kills the Baron. Quite apart from the fact that she’s an important character in the book, it implies that the entire period from the fall of Arrakis to Paul’s victory against the Emperor takes place in well under nine months, which is ridiculous. There are a couple of other related problems but I’ll wait. That's one of the puzzling things I was referring to in my earlier post - I can't quite understand why he made this particular adaptation.
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Post by otto on Feb 29, 2024 7:49:31 GMT
A part 3 would certainly explain it, the same way Feyd Rautha was held back for part 2.
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Feb 29, 2024 7:52:41 GMT
True. I guess he's quietly optimistic about it getting the go-ahead.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 29, 2024 7:54:39 GMT
Skip right ahead to God Emperor please.
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Post by kal on Feb 29, 2024 7:56:09 GMT
Maybe some of this more detailed chat could move to the Dune thread? It’s a little bit spoilery in here for those who haven’t seen it yet.
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Feb 29, 2024 7:59:22 GMT
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Post by FlexibleFeline on Feb 29, 2024 8:03:36 GMT
Maybe some of this more detailed chat could move to the Dune thread? It’s a little bit spoilery in here for those who haven’t seen it yet. Good idea, sorry
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Post by otto on Feb 29, 2024 8:04:47 GMT
edit - deleted and content moved over to the Dune thread
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Post by otto on Feb 29, 2024 8:05:27 GMT
Maybe some of this more detailed chat could move to the Dune thread? It’s a little bit spoilery in here for those who haven’t seen it yet. Ah, sorry. I'll delete and move it over there.
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Post by Binky on Feb 29, 2024 9:43:04 GMT
Death and the Maiden
An odd one. A great story based on a play, but it fully leaned into its origins a little too much for me. Loved that it’s all set in once place. Loved that it was just the 3 actors. Disliked that those actors projected a little too much, as if standing on the edge of a stage rather than in front of cameras.
Worth a watch (on Prime).
7/10
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Post by kal on Feb 29, 2024 9:53:35 GMT
Death and the MaidenAn odd one. A great story based on a play, but it fully leaned into its origins a little too much for me. Loved that it’s all set in once place. Loved that it was just the 3 actors. Disliked that those actors projected a little too much, as if standing on the edge of a stage rather than in front of cameras. Worth a watch (on Prime). 7/10 For some reason it’s seemingly impossible to make a film based on a play without it coming across slightly theatrical in the performance. It almost always happens. I guess you have so many tools at your disposal for telling a story with a film, whereas playwrights basically just have dialogue. And that makes the dialogue have its own style and cadence that still comes across in film.
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Post by geefe on Feb 29, 2024 9:59:54 GMT
I think I tried doing the Hoffman/ Malkovich Death of a Salesman and it was certainly something. There's just something about stage plays where I find it jarring. I watched the Fiennes Macbeth last year and there were points where he might as well have been Walken.
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Post by simple on Feb 29, 2024 10:22:14 GMT
The difference in the original Universal Dracula and the Spanish language version filmed at the same time really highlights how stagey films based on plays can be.
The English language version they essentially just point a camera at the play and let Lugosi do his thing. In the Spanish language version they use alternative angles and actually light the set in a meaningful way.
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Post by mikeck on Feb 29, 2024 11:15:57 GMT
At least its not a 90 second montage Don't knock montages. If you need to show a lot of things happening at once, remind everyone of what’s going on (what’s going on) and with every shot, show a little improvement; to show it all would take too long. That’s called a montage. Even Rocky had a montage! Also, if a montage appears in an action movie you know shit is about to go down!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2024 11:26:01 GMT
The action film equivalent of when you stumble across a good pile of ammo and weapons in a game.
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Post by barchetta on Feb 29, 2024 13:03:23 GMT
These guys were on to something:
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Post by simple on Feb 29, 2024 22:22:07 GMT
The Creator (disney+)
I zoned in and out of the story and the characters never really grabbed me but I loved the look and feel of the world they were in. I’d have been happy enough to just have a story about people living and getting by in this setting.
Plus Edwards use of special effects is similar to Neill Blomkamp and Alex Garland where everything feels solid and real and looks like it would have a practical place in the world. As opposed to the direction the MCU has gone in where everything is green screen and half the characters have even had their clothes CGIed on over mocap suits.
Worth of watch for sure.
Red Rocket (netflix)
Its a bit awkward to say I thought this was excellent because it is the story of a desperate and gross man trying to groom and exploit an underage girl but its another Sean Baker masterclass in capturing life on the fringes of society.
Its a much more conventionally structured and filmed movie than Tangerine or The Florida Project but its capturing a very similar feel and as much as the story focuses on Mikey and Strawberry’s relationship is the characters around them that bring it to life. I’m not sure you can keep mining this sort of material indefinitely but each of these three films captures something special.
And whoever does his cinematography is a genius because these films all look incredible.
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Post by mikeck on Feb 29, 2024 23:44:08 GMT
Watched RRR earlier today. Ha, that really was something else. I was absorbed, some incredible action scenes (some ropier parts too) and the dance scene near the middle of the movie was fantastic.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 1, 2024 10:32:06 GMT
Speed 2: Cruise Control - 6.5/10
Nowhere near as bad as its reputation. Not great but its a fun romp that should not have been the sequel to Speed, mainly due to a serious lack of speed. It also suffers for billing Sandra Bullock as the lead but its clearly been written and directed with Jason Patric as the main protagonist, she is left with pretty much the standard 1990's female love interest role.
However it has Willem Dafoe doing his best Norman Osborn impression and he's brilliant, also I'd argue Patric is better than Reeves (who was awful in the 90s). It also has Jango Fett in it and he's half decent too.
It has a massive budget and you can see it on screen, the action is good and the villian is top tier, IMO if it wasn't connected to Speed it would be remembered more favourably.
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 1, 2024 10:41:05 GMT
Jason Patric is the worse thing about this film.
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Post by simple on Mar 1, 2024 10:52:50 GMT
Its also very clear that it was written for Keanu and they had to scramble to put in some nonsense “actually Bullock only dates badass action hero SWAT team members now” justification for the emergency recasting while leaving the Keanu character intact for the rest of the movie to function
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 1, 2024 10:53:25 GMT
Jason Patric is the worse thing about this film. He's not great and they could have picked a lot better, but Reeves would have been worse (other than the story making more sense). I think we all forget just how awful Reeves was in the 90s.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 1, 2024 10:56:51 GMT
Its also very clear that it was written for Keanu and they had to scramble to put in some nonsense “actually Bullock only dates badass action hero SWAT team members now” justification for the emergency recasting while leaving the Keanu character intact for the rest of the movie to function Yeah it's glaringly obvious that the part was written for Jack Traven, I think Patric did the best with what he had though. It's why billing it as Sandra Bullock movie didn't work too as she's clearly not the lead (just a bigger star than Patric).
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Post by Jambowayoh on Mar 1, 2024 11:01:55 GMT
It's one of those movies where it's painfully obvious that Patric and Bullock have absolutely no chemistry. You can shit on Reeves but he had great chemistry with Bullock. It's a weird film based on a dream the director had and has some very weird shit in it, a group of fat people being made a joke because err they're fat and the subplot involving the young deaf teen girl in love with Patric's character. Don't get me started on Defoe having...copper poisoning from working with computers and THE LEECHES.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 1, 2024 11:05:14 GMT
It's one of those movies where it's painfully obvious that Patric and Bullock have absolutely no chemistry. You can shit on Reeves but he had great chemistry with Bullock. It's a weird film based on a dream the director had and has some very weird shit in it, a group of fat people being made a joke because err they're fat and the subplot involving the young deaf teen girl in love with Patrick's character. Don't get me started on Defoe having...copper poisoning from working with computers and THE LEECHES. Agreed on the chemistry. Also yeah good point it is a bit of a fever dream, still a fun romp though. The bit that bothered me most was when the deaf girls parents got on the life boat even though they couldn't find their daughter, in the vain hope she might be on another one....
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Post by MolarAm🔵 on Mar 1, 2024 11:11:21 GMT
I wonder if it would have been better received, if it hadn't been billed as a sequel to one of the best action films of the 90s.
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Post by clemfandango on Mar 1, 2024 11:18:28 GMT
I wonder if it would have been better received, if it hadn't been billed as a sequel to one of the best action films of the 90s. Yep said that in my mini review. It would be a lot better remembered if had just been an action movie called Cruise Control and they gave Sandra Bullock a different character. Saying that it probably wouldn't have got the same budget without the Speed name.
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Post by Reviewer on Mar 1, 2024 11:20:24 GMT
Transformers Age of Extinction 2/10
Really feels like everyone involved got bored after the farm bit. Gets a point for Stanley Tucci, everything else was like the previous films but more serious (which doesn’t work) and the paedo stuff, which is weird.
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